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THE OFFICIAL 2019 OFF SEASON/TRADE RUMORS THREAD

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  • Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post

    Well, hell. If you think you can do a better job, then by all means...get a PR job with the Pacers and you can talk to the free agents about the benefits of playing for Indiana, and being part of it's rich small-town basketball history.
    I absolutely CAN do a better job.

    I wont sound like Milton from Office Space when I try to sell the team to them.

    "Uh....excuse me.....would you like to play for a small market like us....excuse me......please.....we have no beach but we got tenderloins....have you seen my stapler"

    When have they ever tried? I have never hit the lottery but then again I dont buy tickets.
    "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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    • Originally posted by Wage View Post
      I'm a pretty sunshiney pro Pacers front office kind of guy usually, but you guys have to stop with this "Woe is me, we can't sign anyone because we are in Indiana" crap. Indiana isn't by itself a help in drawing guys in , but it isn't driving guys away either. How the team is run is what guys are looking at here, not its location on a map. Chicago is the 3rd largest market in the country and you don't hear about anyone going there. Charlotte is absolutely gorgeous as far as city and weather go, and you don't hear about anyone going there. 2 months ago you had to be the Lakers or Knicks to get a big fish. Now you have to be the Clippers or Nets. Hell, Minnesota is freaking miserable and they are more seriously linked with DLo than we are and they don't even have any cap space!

      People don't want to come to Indiana because the team is boring, the coach is boring, the playstyle is boring, and we won't take risks that put us over the top. Some fans are cool with just being a good team that makes the playoffs, but big time free agents usually are not. That is why they won't return Pritch's calls. Because of the culture we have built here, not because the location.

      Stop letting Simon and KP off the hook.
      We are like the fat boy who follows the pretty girl around buying her lunch and helping her with her bills, in hopes that she will see what a nice guy he is and pick him. She never picks him for good reason.

      We have had cap space to sign that level of player, what? Twice? Once?

      I guess if you fail, try again, if you fail again, quit and then begin the woe is me act.
      "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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      • Originally posted by Wage View Post
        I'm a pretty sunshiney pro Pacers front office kind of guy usually, but you guys have to stop with this "Woe is me, we can't sign anyone because we are in Indiana" crap. Indiana isn't by itself a help in drawing guys in , but it isn't driving guys away either. How the team is run is what guys are looking at here, not its location on a map. Chicago is the 3rd largest market in the country and you don't hear about anyone going there. Charlotte is absolutely gorgeous as far as city and weather go, and you don't hear about anyone going there. 2 months ago you had to be the Lakers or Knicks to get a big fish. Now you have to be the Clippers or Nets. Hell, Minnesota is freaking miserable and they are more seriously linked with DLo than we are and they don't even have any cap space!

        People don't want to come to Indiana because the team is boring, the coach is boring, the playstyle is boring, and we won't take risks that put us over the top. Some fans are cool with just being a good team that makes the playoffs, but big time free agents usually are not. That is why they won't return Pritch's calls. Because of the culture we have built here, not because the location.

        Stop letting Simon and KP off the hook.
        Imagine that, players only wanted to go to the Lakers or Knicks, and now they want to go to the Clippers and Nets. I wonder what they have in common? While Chicago is also big, I don't think it is the same draw as NYC or LA. Also you mention Minny as being linked to DLo. Is there any link from him to Minny, or just that Minny is interested? People get all bent out of shape because of rumors or lack there of. Let me know when free agency is done, then you can be mad. But if players go to NY or LA on similar deals to what we could've offered, I will never believe we just didn't try, but that we just weren't as attractive.

        I think culture is the thing we DO have going for us. but rich young athletes care more about location than culture typically. You say players won't talk to Pritch because of our culture, not our location. Yet players continue to go to the NYC and LA teams despite all 4 of them sucking for most of the past few years. On top of that, the culture in LAL and NYK is nothing to write home about either. So which is it - location or culture?

        It is pretty obvious if you imagine yourself in the same situation. If I can take my job and move it to LA or NYC for a very comfortable amount of money, or I can stay in Indiana for a similar amount of money, I'd gladly take the sunshine, water and big city. Now, after I had been working for several years I may come to the realization that I want a better culture or to be at a better company, but probably not if I am a big time CEO and my reputation and brand are tied to my image. Can you imagine how much more endorsement money someone like Durant makes in those big cities over Indiana?

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        • Originally posted by Taterhead View Post

          I absolutely CAN do a better job.

          I wont sound like Milton from Office Space when I try to sell the team to them.

          "Uh....excuse me.....would you like to play for a small market like us....excuse me......please.....we have no beach but we got tenderloins....have you seen my stapler"

          When have they ever tried? I have never hit the lottery but then again I dont buy tickets.
          Oh, I didn't know you were in the front office, or had their phones tapped. Now I am on your side.

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          • Nobody is going to Chicago because their front office and ownership is garbage as well.
            @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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            • [QUOTE=ECKrueger;n3461430]

              Imagine that, players only wanted to go to the Lakers or Knicks, and now they want to go to the Clippers and Nets. I wonder what they have in common? While Chicago is also big, I don't think it is the same draw as NYC or LA. Also you mention Minny as being linked to DLo. Is there any link from him to Minny, or just that Minny is interested? People get all bent out of shape because of rumors or lack there of. Let me know when free agency is done, then you can be mad. But if players go to NY or LA on similar deals to what we could've offered, I will never believe we just didn't try, but that we just weren't as attractive.

              I think culture is the thing we DO have going for us. but rich young athletes care more about location than culture typically. You say players won't talk to Pritch because of our culture, not our location. Yet players continue to go to the NYC and LA teams despite all 4 of them sucking for most of the past few years. On top of that, the culture in LAL and NYK is nothing to write home about either. So which is it - location or culture?

              It is pretty obvious if you imagine yourself in the same situation. If I can take my job and move it to LA or NYC for a very comfortable amount of money, or I can stay in Indiana for a similar amount of money, I'd gladly take the sunshine, water and big city. Now, after I had been working for several years I may come to the realization that I want a better culture or to be at a better company, but probably not if I am a big time CEO and my reputation and brand are tied to my image. Can you imagine how much more endorsement money someone like Durant makes in those big cities over Indiana?[/QUOTE]

              This bolded part right here is complete and utter nonsense.

              He doesnt have any more endorsement deals than Peyton Manning had when he played here other than his shoe contract, which he would have if he played in Kazakhstan. Indiana does not hamper your ability to get endorsements at all.

              Too many blanket statements. Not everyone is the same. Not everyone wants to live by the ocean (I hate the ocean), not everyone loves seasonless weather (I dont), not everyone views Indiana as boring, (I dont). I could go on but you catch my drift
              "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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              • If the Pacers want to attract marquee FA's there are two things they need to offer:
                Money and a the promise ownership is all in on a championship.

                That is going to require a culture change. You can't lose a PG, get struck by lightning with Vic, and then have the underwhelming offseason Indy did last year trying to take that team to the next level.

                At this point in the team's history, everyone in the league knows Indy is not all in on a championship. They are more than content to be 42-40, or 41-41 and just get into the playoffs. They can then spin that playoff appearance into a "You can't win the championship without making the playoffs and we're right there" pile of PR BS.
                You also need a lot of luck for a team who has a low bar goal of consistently making the playoffs, not getting there to make noise and compete for championships, to even sniff that possibility. And if lightning strikes and it does happen, they tweak the edges not address weaknesses head on.

                All you have to do is look at the Colts who DO have ownership that wants rings and see they don't have a problem going after players and mixing things up when they think it's necessary.
                They aren't interested in being a wildcard team for the sake of saying they made the NFL playoffs.
                No, the Colts don't make the playoffs every year, but they also have 2 recent history SB appearances and a win. They have a recent AFCCG appearance as well. Yes, they've made mistakes along the way they ultimately were setbacks, but they don't let them linger and go O for the playoff from 3... they proactively go after improving the team with a championship as the goal.

                If the Colts can do it, the Pacers can go it.

                The Colts are the Pacers worst enemies when it comes to the PR line the Pacers want to sell "we're a cold weather small market team and Indy is just lucky you have us and we're so great to put together a team able to make the playoffs regularly"

                The Colts don't play that pity party line.

                It's time the Pacers get off the pity potty. Except... it's not... as long as they can sell tickets and get people buying into that line of BS then they'll keep selling it. We have ownership that is extremely happy with 41-41 and the 8th seed. Anything more is gravy. Anything less and it's time to shake things up.
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                -John Wooden

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                • Originally posted by Taterhead View Post
                  This bolded part right here is complete and utter nonsense.

                  He doesnt have any more endorsement deals than Peyton Manning had when he played here other than his shoe contract, which he would have if he played in Kazakhstan. Indiana does not hamper your ability to get endorsements at all.

                  Too many blanket statements. Not everyone is the same. Not everyone wants to live by the ocean (I hate the ocean), not everyone loves seasonless weather (I dont), not everyone views Indiana as boring, (I dont). I could go on but you catch my drift
                  If you think exposure and endorsements are the same for a player in Indy and LA/NYC, then I don't know what to tell you. Can you get huge endorsements either way? Yes. Can you get more in bigger cities? Yes. Does it make as big of a difference for someone like KD? Probably not as much. Does it matter to someone like Russell? Most likely.

                  They are blanket statements, and I know alot of people don't love big cities. But we aren't talking about the average Joe. I'm betting most NBA players love the big city, love the nightlife, want to be by the water, etc. I don't hate Indy either, I think there's plenty to do, but it is a totally different world for an NBA player.

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                  • The funny part about this is the players are actually proving this. Nobody seems to be interested in the Knicks. Nobody seems to be interested in the Bulls. Nobody seems to be interested in going to Atlanta. They all have cap space.

                    They are much more interested in who's actually on the roster. Something we can absolutely control.

                    90% of this crap is perception based off watching too much ESPN.
                    "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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                    • Originally posted by Bball View Post
                      If the Pacers want to attract marquee FA's there are two things they need to offer:
                      Money and a the promise ownership is all in on a championship.

                      That is going to require a culture change. You can't lose a PG, get struck by lightning with Vic, and then have the underwhelming offseason Indy did last year trying to take that team to the next level.

                      At this point in the team's history, everyone in the league knows Indy is not all in on a championship. They are more than content to be 42-40, or 41-41 and just get into the playoffs. They can then spin that playoff appearance into a "You can't win the championship without making the playoffs and we're right there" pile of PR BS.
                      You also need a lot of luck for a team who has a low bar goal of consistently making the playoffs, not getting there to make noise and compete for championships, to even sniff that possibility. And if lightning strikes and it does happen, they tweak the edges not address weaknesses head on.

                      All you have to do is look at the Colts who DO have ownership that wants rings and see they don't have a problem going after players and mixing things up when they think it's necessary.
                      They aren't interested in being a wildcard team for the sake of saying they made the NFL playoffs.
                      No, the Colts don't make the playoffs every year, but they also have 2 recent history SB appearances and a win. They have a recent AFCCG appearance as well. Yes, they've made mistakes along the way they ultimately were setbacks, but they don't let them linger and go O for the playoff from 3... they proactively go after improving the team with a championship as the goal.

                      If the Colts can do it, the Pacers can go it.

                      The Colts are the Pacers worst enemies when it comes to the PR line the Pacers want to sell "we're a cold weather small market team and Indy is just lucky you have us and we're so great to put together a team able to make the playoffs regularly"

                      The Colts don't play that pity party line.

                      It's time the Pacers get off the pity potty. Except... it's not... as long as they can sell tickets and get people buying into that line of BS then they'll keep selling it. We have ownership that is extremely happy with 41-41 and the 8th seed. Anything more is gravy. Anything less and it's time to shake things up.
                      I don't think the NBA and NFL are comparable really because of the salary caps.

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                      • Tobias is lying lol. The number one thing in free agency that he is looking for is money. He's 26 so if he gets a near max contract that will take him to 30 and he will probably be able to get a nice multiyear contract after that. If Philly doesn't sign him I can guarantee he would sign with a slow pace team like Utah or Indiana if we offered him the max or near max.

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                        • People act like LA and New York get all these big guys because of their locations, but who the hell have they signed? The Lakers got LeBron obviously last year, but before that the last star they landed was what? Shaq over 20 years ago? Who the hell have the Knicks signed? A crippled Amare Stoudemire 20 years ago?

                          Look I only know one guy in the NBA, but I know quite a few NFL players. Most of these guys don't give a crap about location. They spend almost of their time on the road and in the off-season can go wherever they want anyway. They want to go somewhere they can win championships. All these dudes would take a call from Chris Ballard because they now the Colts and Irsay want Lombardis here. They don't care that the Colts happen to be in Indiana.

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                          • Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post

                            If you think exposure and endorsements are the same for a player in Indy and LA/NYC, then I don't know what to tell you. Can you get huge endorsements either way? Yes. Can you get more in bigger cities? Yes. Does it make as big of a difference for someone like KD? Probably not as much. Does it matter to someone like Russell? Most likely.

                            They are blanket statements, and I know alot of people don't love big cities. But we aren't talking about the average Joe. I'm betting most NBA players love the big city, love the nightlife, want to be by the water, etc. I don't hate Indy either, I think there's plenty to do, but it is a totally different world for an NBA player.
                            And there's where you are wrong and I can cite you countless examples of professional athletes who grew up in those types of places, found themselves in Indiana at some point in their careers, and stayed after their careers were over and they could live literally anywhere. Reggie Miller was from California.

                            Being rich doesnt determine where youd like to live it just enables you to live where you want. If I win the lottery tomorrow, I'm not gonna all the sudden move to NY City and become a big city type.

                            David West came here because that's not what he values.

                            Reggie Miller stayed here because that's not what he values.

                            Rik Smits and Dale Davis still live here because they dont value those things.

                            So find those types of people. They do exist.
                            Last edited by Taterhead; 06-27-2019, 12:20 PM.
                            "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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                            • Originally posted by LilSean320 View Post
                              Tobias is lying lol. The number one thing in free agency that he is looking for is money. He's 26 so if he gets a near max contract that will take him to 30 and he will probably be able to get a nice multiyear contract after that. If Philly doesn't sign him I can guarantee he would sign with a slow pace team like Utah or Indiana if we offered him the max or near max.
                              I think the money is equal anywhere he goes so the his next priority is wanting to play in a modern offense not in some 80"s bs like the Pacers are trying to do.
                              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                              • https://www.google.com/amp/s/nesn.co...ics-offer/amp/

                                Looks like the Celtics are getting Kemba which will likely make Rozier available and he reportedly wants to come here. Looks like a good match and heís Vicís buddy. Cut the check and then pray Scary Terry regains his 2018 playoff form.

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