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Someone please give Domantas Sabonis more minutes (Indycornrows)

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  • Someone please give Domantas Sabonis more minutes (Indycornrows)

    Good article.

    https://www.indycornrows.com/2018/12...nutes#comments
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    Domas needs to start. Alongside Myles. Domas is a nice, cool, intelligent guy. His father is the same. But, the natural question is what are Pacers intentions? To keep both Myles and Domas with intention for Domas to back Myles forever? That will never fly in Sabonis family.
    Article is about getting Domas more minutes. To do that the only way is to move him into the starting lineup. If he comes from the bench - there is no formula to let him play 30+minutes per game.
    This topic here has been discussed thousand times already. I even added some factors like "name recognition, chatter around the NBA how good Domas is and so on)". I watched Raptors - Nuggets game. We all salivate how good a big is Jokic, but I like Domas passing game more. Domas moves quicker, he is not afraid to add a little "edge" to his passes, to add more creativity. Sure, if Nate for whatever reason wants to keep him with second unit this year - Domas can take it. But we know that everybody's patience has limits. And if somebody says that his efficiency will drop giving him more minutes - that's a total bs.
    Sure, if Nate was more creative with his substitutions - maybe some temporary fix is available. But by now we should realize that everybody around the NBA is salivating about Domas. All the question marks that let Domas slip to #11 place during the draft are negated. With Domas unexpectedly bringing something else on the table - his passing game.
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    • #3
      While I may be a huge Myles critic, dating back to his days at Texas when hearing stories about his lack of work ethic resulting in him getting benched, and watching a 6'7" 180lb Kam Woods destroy him in the NCAA tournament... I think most Myles "haters" would lay off of him a bit if the Pacers simply were to act like Sabonis is our 2nd best, sometime best player and play him the 30+mpg he deserves.

      There are a lot of variables to consider when Turner and Sabonis are in the game at the same time, but what I see just among those two is an elevation in Turner's play. Myles plays more confidently, aggressively, even smarter when he is out there with Sabonis. I see passes from Myles when on the court with Sabonis, that I haven't seen in 4 years from him. And you will even see Turner attack the glass more while playing with Sabonis. If the Pacers at all want Turner to live up to the contract he was given, he needs more time with Sabonis just as much as Sabonis needs more time for arguably being our most important player.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by croz24 View Post
        While I may be a huge Myles critic, dating back to his days at Texas when hearing stories about his lack of work ethic resulting in him getting benched, and watching a 6'7" 180lb Kam Woods destroy him in the NCAA tournament... I think most Myles "haters" would lay off of him a bit if the Pacers simply were to act like Sabonis is our 2nd best, sometime best player and play him the 30+mpg he deserves.

        There are a lot of variables to consider when Turner and Sabonis are in the game at the same time, but what I see just among those two is an elevation in Turner's play. Myles plays more confidently, aggressively, even smarter when he is out there with Sabonis. I see passes from Myles when on the court with Sabonis, that I haven't seen in 4 years from him. And you will even see Turner attack the glass more while playing with Sabonis. If the Pacers at all want Turner to live up to the contract he was given, he needs more time with Sabonis just as much as Sabonis needs more time for arguably being our most important player.
        Similarly, Myles makes up for Domas' shortcomings on defense and should reduce his tendency to foul, which has limited his minutes at times. They're a perfect match for each other.

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        • #5
          To both posters above - yeah, somehow everybody who plays alongside Domas plays better. And on defense Domas is not a 5, he is a PF.
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          • #6
            I agree with this part of the whole article, to me the person that gets affected negatively with the two centers lineup is Domas, he has to chase people around and most of the time (not all the time) he picks stupid fouls because of it.


            Then thereís the other side of the floor, where Sabonisí defense has held up when the Pacers arenít putting him in situations where he has to play in two center lineups.

            In general Sabonis is holding opponents to lower field goal percentages than their averages. Opponents are shooting 5.7 points worse on three-point shots when guarded by Sabonis and 1.7 percent worse on two-point shots.

            He also continues to have decent defensive instincts, like on this block against Troy Williams.





            The last thing that needs to be said about Sabonis is his stat of 14.5 points, 10.1 rebounds and 3.3 assists, which heís doing in just 24.8 minutes of playing time per game.

            It isnít being talked about enough but Sabonis should be both a Sixth Man of the Year and Eastern Conference All-Star candidate.

            Sabonis is having a breakout year and is one of the reasons Indiana has remained afloat during Victor Oladipoís absence. Itís time we start noticing and hopefully he can get more playing time.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by croz24 View Post
              While I may be a huge Myles critic, dating back to his days at Texas when hearing stories about his lack of work ethic resulting in him getting benched, and watching a 6'7" 180lb Kam Woods destroy him in the NCAA tournament... I think most Myles "haters" would lay off of him a bit if the Pacers simply were to act like Sabonis is our 2nd best, sometime best player and play him the 30+mpg he deserves.

              There are a lot of variables to consider when Turner and Sabonis are in the game at the same time, but what I see just among those two is an elevation in Turner's play. Myles plays more confidently, aggressively, even smarter when he is out there with Sabonis. I see passes from Myles when on the court with Sabonis, that I haven't seen in 4 years from him. And you will even see Turner attack the glass more while playing with Sabonis. If the Pacers at all want Turner to live up to the contract he was given, he needs more time with Sabonis just as much as Sabonis needs more time for arguably being our most important player.
              Turner would become one of the most popular players on the forum the day Sabonis starts. You are right, the animosity is because of Sabonis being slighted. Turner himself is extremely likable.
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              • #8
                This is another thing I was talking about the other day, put a bag of Cheetos next to Sabo and those numbers are going to look good (not saying CoJo has not been great).


                The first place to start with Sabonis is his impact when on the court for the Pacers -- that being the fact theyíre better in almost every statistical category.

                The only other play to have the same statistical impact as Sabonis is Cory Joseph, but the only reason for that is because Joseph is on the court for an average of 21.2 minutes of the 25 Sabonis plays.


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post

                  Turner would become one of the most popular players on the forum the day Sabonis starts. You are right, the animosity is because of Sabonis being slighted. Turner himself is extremely likable.
                  Yep I'll be OK with Turner as the backup for the next ten years.
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                  • #10
                    Joseph has actually been the ridiculous plus/minus guy this season (Sabonis is second at +5.6, Joseph is at +16.2) but I would agree with the author that Sabonis has been a bigger key for most of those minutes.

                    Sabonis is a trooper though. This is actually the only minor complaint I've seen from him as far as minutes, and it's not even strictly about his minutes but more about him and Turner sharing the floor together:

                    ďCoach knows whatís best for the team,Ē Sabonis said. ďEveryone wants to win. Maybe eventually we will start playing more on the court together, but for now, itís not happening as much as me and Myles would have hoped, and thatís just how it is.Ē

                    https://www.si.com/nba/2018/11/20/do...p-myles-turner

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post

                      Turner would become one of the most popular players on the forum the day Sabonis starts. You are right, the animosity is because of Sabonis being slighted. Turner himself is extremely likable.
                      Turner isn't the one that is slighting Domas, though. And the same goes for all the "Turner fans" in this or any other forum. No one is slighting Domas. The only one that does that is Nate. So, the animosity against Myles never made any sense.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

                        Turner isn't the one that is slighting Domas, though. And the same goes for all the "Turner fans" in this or any other forum. No one is slighting Domas. The only one that does that is Nate. So, the animosity against Myles never made any sense.
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                        • #13
                          Apparently everyone sees Domas should get more playing time...except Nate.

                          This shouldn't be that tough. Myles has averaged about 28 mpg for his career. If he starts and plays 28 mpg, that leaves 20 mpg for Domas to play back-up Center. The question then becomes "how many minutes can Domas and Turner play together?" If they average just 2 minutes per quarter...2 minutes..Sabonis would be playing 28 mpg. For this season, that looks like the obvious solution.

                          If Nate wants to get daring (or in my opinion come to his senses) and start Sabonis, he could start him with Turner and still use him as the back-up Center. He could use him similar to what we did with Lance back in our ECF runs. Lance would start and finish but he would play a lot of minutes with the 2nd unit. Lance would wind up playing 30-35 mpg.

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                          • #14
                            Man I dunno what it is but I have a bad feeling that we are going to try and move sabonis and that we are keeping his minutes limited to show him but not show him off too much. Itís like someone giving you a sample of really good food, all of a sudden you want to buy the whole thing. Kind of like look he at how many points and rebounds he gets in 20 min, now imagine what he will get in 30!!!! This is the only thing that makes sense to me why they wouldnít be giving him more minutes because to me itís a no brainer. He is becoming one of the best big men the pacers have ever had smd
                            the guy canít get his fair share of playing time? If Iím wrong and itís nate than Nate has to go. If heís wrong about something this obvious what else is he wrong about?

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                            • #15
                              I was all in camp Thad last season. He played LeBron & Giannis better than anybody we had for sure and almost as well as anyone in the league. That being said this year it looks like he has lost a step and his offense is atrocious.

                              If it were me I would start Sabonis with Myles and bring Thad off of the bench unless we were playing a team that it would be beneficial to start a smaller quicker lineup then I would start Thad, but I would bring Myles off of the bench.

                              However I understand that consistency might be an issue with rotating lineups and whether we like it or not that starting 5 is locked in and anyone removed from it would be considered demoted and that might cause locker room issues.


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