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Someone please give Domantas Sabonis more minutes (Indycornrows)

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  • #31
    Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
    I think having a consistent starting 5 is overrated. I think you should be willing to start any of your top 8 players on any given night depending on match-up needs.
    Great teams force other teams to match up with them.

    We should find a starting 5 that include Sabonis, Turner and Victor and force other teams to try and match up with us.

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    • #32
      Pacergeek quotes Pacerdude.

      Originally posted by PacerDude View Post


      Are you capable of saying anything else ??
      Mods, we should have a rule that the word "Pacer" is not allowed for any handle name. Nothing against either of you, but i struggle to tell you apart and you have opposite views.

      Not being really serious, but just sayin.
      "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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      • #33
        Originally posted by sav View Post

        Great teams force other teams to match up with them.
        That is a nice sentiment, but I care more about winning games than sentiment.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

          That is a nice sentiment, but I care more about winning games than sentiment.
          The idea is to put your best players on the floor. If those players are good enough, other teams will have to match up with us instead of us trying to match up with them.

          In my opinion, Turner, Sabonis and Victor are that good, we just need to find 2 more players to put in to the starting lineup that will compliment their talents.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by sav View Post

            The idea is to put your best players on the floor. If those players are good enough, other teams will have to match up with us instead of us trying to match up with them.

            In my opinion, Turner, Sabonis and Victor are that good, we just need to find 2 more players to put in to the starting lineup that will compliment their talents.
            Great idea if you have unstoppable players but Pacers don't have that.


            This idea of "twin towers, yeah we are going to destroy them inside" is such a dream is not even funny, people act like we have Duncan/Robinson in our hands or something.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

              Great idea if you have unstoppable players but Pacers don't have that.


              This idea of "twin towers, yeah we are going to destroy them inside" is such a dream is not even funny, people act like we have Duncan/Robinson in our hands or something.
              You are wrong. Myles have a C body, but not the strength, Domas have a PF body, and a strong one. These two some time ago would be a perfect combo of C- PF. But these are modern times, though these are modern players. They both are very fast, can shoot from anywhere on the court and supplement each others game perfectly. I don't mind that you have a different opinion, but I just hope that it's wrong. Otherwise one of them is a goner, but that will not happen. We will see them start soon, hopefully the latest - first game of the next season. And then all the questions will be answered.
              I don't like repeating myself, but then Domas had to become a three point shooter for the OKC though he never took long shots before - for the first 2/3 of the season he was averaging ~42%, the best on the team. That's something for the Pacers to look forward. Domas is a beast in the paint, but letting him take some three pointers (with the flow of the game) will make a duo of Myles and Domas even more dangerous. Cause Domas can take the long shot, or drive to the rim, or pass the ball to Myles in the paint. With Domas bball IQ I have no doubt that such approach would cause more headaches for the defenders.

              12-12-2018, 09:20 PM


              Myles Turner during Vic's postgame interview: "Tell you what the East is in trouble now boy"

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              • #37
                Originally posted by bball_nomad View Post

                You are wrong. Myles have a C body, but not the strength, Domas have a PF body, and a strong one. These two some time ago would be a perfect combo of C- PF. But these are modern times, though these are modern players. They both are very fast, can shoot from anywhere on the court and supplement each others game perfectly. I don't mind that you have a different opinion, but I just hope that it's wrong. Otherwise one of them is a goner, but that will not happen. We will see them start soon, hopefully the latest - first game of the next season. And then all the questions will be answered.
                I don't like repeating myself, but then Domas had to become a three point shooter for the OKC though he never took long shots before - for the first 2/3 of the season he was averaging ~42%, the best on the team. That's something for the Pacers to look forward. Domas is a beast in the paint, but letting him take some three pointers (with the flow of the game) will make a duo of Myles and Domas even more dangerous. Cause Domas can take the long shot, or drive to the rim, or pass the ball to Myles in the paint. With Domas bball IQ I have no doubt that such approach would cause more headaches for the defenders.
                This right there, can't "destroy" or "punish" teams if the players that are supposed to "destroy" are weak.



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                • #38
                  Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                  This right there, can't "destroy" or "punish" teams if the players that are supposed to "destroy" are weak.


                  Practicing alongside Domas will make Myles stronger naturally. With the time. Myles will get stronger both physically and mentally. I hope, I hope, I hope...Nah, I think so Have you ever saw Domas "lost" on the court, making wrong decisions? Sure it happened, but the kid never repeats his mistakes. In the college Domas was practicing with Karnowski. That made Domas stronger, taught him to use his head and trick Karno. Karno learnt how to defend pesky, quick Domas, how to defend the ball then he had it and establish early a good position. Practice makes perfect. These kids are just 22 years old, they both have room to improve. During the summer Domas worked on his right hand and lost some "fat" in his body without losing weight and strength. Myles, on the other hand, worked on his conditioning. Now Myles has to learn how to deal with the strong bodies in the paint. And who is the best training partner, if not Domas?
                  12-12-2018, 09:20 PM


                  Myles Turner during Vic's postgame interview: "Tell you what the East is in trouble now boy"

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                    This right there, can't "destroy" or "punish" teams if the players that are supposed to "destroy" are weak.


                    I don't think most people think you have to pound it inside to be successful though, even with two bigs.

                    It seems like more people think that Sabonis is too valuable of an offensive player to not play him 30 minutes a game, and Myles is too valuable of a defensive player to not do the same.

                    If they can play together enough, they can accomplish that. They will still each play more minutes apart than they do together, but the big lineup would just get the Pacers most talented players the minutes they deserve. We obviously understand you didn't think that way about Turner, but that's where I think a lot of people are coming from.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by bball_nomad View Post

                      Practicing alongside Domas will make Myles stronger naturally. With the time. Myles will get stronger both physically and mentally. I hope, I hope, I hope...Nah, I think so Have you ever saw Domas "lost" on the court, making wrong decisions? Sure it happened, but the kid never repeats his mistakes. In the college Domas was practicing with Karnowski. That made Domas stronger, taught him to use his head and trick Karno. Karno learnt how to defend pesky, quick Domas, how to defend the ball then he had it and establish early a good position. Practice makes perfect. These kids are just 22 years old, they both have room to improve. During the summer Domas worked on his right hand and lost some "fat" in his body without losing weight and strength. Myles, on the other hand, worked on his conditioning. Now Myles has to learn how to deal with the strong bodies in the paint. And who is the best training partner, if not Domas?
                      I get your post but it seems more about hope and dreams than anything else right?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Cubs231721 View Post

                        I don't think most people think you have to pound it inside to be successful though, even with two bigs.

                        It seems like more people think that Sabonis is too valuable of an offensive player to not play him 30 minutes a game, and Myles is too valuable of a defensive player to not do the same.

                        If they can play together enough, they can accomplish that. They will still each play more minutes apart than they do together, but the big lineup would just get the Pacers most talented players the minutes they deserve. We obviously understand you didn't think that way about Turner, but that's where I think a lot of people are coming from.
                        Yeah as a Sabonis fan I think the best way to play him is at center and I want him surrounded by people that are going to open the floor for him, he needs space to do what he does best and that is running an offense.

                        Putting him next to another center makes the floor smaller for him and as we saw last game Vs a crappy Bulls team the offense was pretty bad (only scored 93 vs a s*** team), I don't even think Sabo had that great of a game as he was trying to do stuff through traffic because the space was not there and any time he tried to go to his left Turner and his defender were there to block his left side.

                        My dream is for Pacers to give him the same space the Joker in Denver gets and I hope they realize this sooner than later.
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                        • #42
                          Great example of what the Pacers should be doing with Sabo as he has Joker potential.


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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

                            I get your post but it seems more about hope and dreams than anything else right?
                            Nope. It's about naked reality. And things to come.
                            12-12-2018, 09:20 PM


                            Myles Turner during Vic's postgame interview: "Tell you what the East is in trouble now boy"

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by bball_nomad View Post

                              Nope. It's about naked reality. And things to come.
                              That is kind of the description for hope, I'm just saying
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                              • #45
                                His PER 36 ( every 36 minutes he plays ), he puts up 20/14/4

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