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  • iogyhufi
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    Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

    Which is why I believe that we should play both of them together and have Domas defend PFs. His biggest weakness (defense at the rim) gets mitigated by playing next to a rim protector while Myles' biggest weakness (rebounding) gets mitigated by playing next to a great rebounder.
    Of course, then you put Sabonis in a position where he has to guard little zippy 4-men, e.g. Jaylen Brown last night (at least I think it was last night, I caught the game from a red-eye to Shanghai, so I'm a little messed up time-wise lol), which he was pretty bad at.

    Honestly, my biggest cringe moments came 1) when Turner completely failed to stick close to Horford on the perimeter on the PnP and gave up a ton of open 3s and 2) when Sabonis exhibited basically no understanding of how perimeter closeouts work (either they were too short and the guy got an open shot or he overpursued and gave up a lane to the hoop). Sabonis' 1-on-1 post defense is really excellent, though.
    Last edited by iogyhufi; 11-04-2018, 10:52 AM.

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  • Kid Minneapolis
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    Been thinking about this Turner/Sabonis situation a lot y'all, think I got it figured out.

    They do all kinds of non-approved procedures in Europe, right? Let's "send them to Europe"; surely there's a guy there who can Frankenstein these two. It's 2018, it's amazing what they can do medically now. We can call our creation Sa*****. He'll block shots, defend the rim, and shoot smooth like Myles, and have Domas motor, rebounding, and passing. It would be so glorious.

    It solves so much, not sure why Pritch hasn't done this yet, I'm beginning to doubt his abilities as a GM.

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  • Mourning
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    Originally posted by kent beckley View Post
    Celtics only shot 9 free throws
    IF you shoot mainly from outside that's a logical consequence and one of the positives when it comes to Indie's playstyle of attacking the hoop more. Foul trouble for the opposing team is another bonus.

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  • bball_nomad
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    Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
    Yea Sabonis can pass the length of the court and get an easy assist every time. He also plays with so much fiire and fury he brings opponents to their knees every time he drives to the rack. He could easily be the best player the pacer every had.
    Though I liked your points, but to become a better player that was Reggie - oh boy, it's a tall hurdle.

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  • bball_nomad
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    Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

    I watched a lot of Arvydas playing, starting with the game he played and beat Team USA and David Robinson. We have a little slice of that in Indiana. Those talents are under appreciated IMO.
    First time I saw Arvydas play was 1980. And I was immediately like wtf??? That time he was 7 foot, he added 4 inches later. And in 1980 Arvydas was 15 years old. What surprised me A LOT - he was a 7 tall young kid, but was running and jumping like a guard. And, of curse, I watched all of his games later on, if they were played in LT - I watched them in the Sports Halls. Arvydas was just special. In Seoul he played after two operations on his completely torn Achilles tendon. In Barcelona he was a tall dude who could do a lot, but had no athleticism left whatsoever.
    His son from early days was an ugly duckling. Strange body, short arms. But his motor was unstoppable. Would grab a 20+ rebounds in the junior competitions against taller and bigger opponents.
    And one of the biggest surprises to me regarding Domas - he was improving his game by leaps every year. I still see that he has a room to grow, hopefully it will happen. What Pacers already have in him - a starter big in the NBA. For Domas to come of the bench in Indiana - it's like a gift from above. Yes, he should play more minutes. And one of the reasons i'm advocating for the increase of his time on the floor - it would benefit Pacers for sure, and I want the kid to get his first triple double. He can score, he can rebound and he can pass. It's just the matter of time.

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  • docpaul
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    I don’t know about you all, but I am still reveling in the win this morning.

    Not sure why, but this one feels sweeter than any win I’ve watched in a while.

    Maybe it’s because I’m starting to see the basis of a legitimate contender.

    Not since 2013, game 6 of the Knicks playoff series has a win felt so sweet.

    Same kind of feeling. Less about the win (which was great), but more seeing the pieces of a team that has the fortitude to take a collection of punches and just calmly come right back.

    Fingers crossed that this is the start of a trend!

    Also, Quinn Buckner is a treasure. I could listen to his calls on that last 10 seconds on repeat. LOL.

    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    Last edited by docpaul; 11-04-2018, 09:34 AM.

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  • Gamble1
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    Yea Sabonis can pass the length of the court and get an easy assist every time. He also plays with so much fiire and fury he brings opponents to their knees every time he drives to the rack. He could easily be the best player the pacer every had.

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  • BlueNGold
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    Originally posted by bball_nomad View Post

    Yep, those 5 assists yesterday, especially one with wrap around waist pas to Leaf for dunk - it just shows that Domas has his father's blood in his veins. I guess, from the VERY EARLY days of his life, during the Sabonis family bball pick-up games, he had a chance to watch couple thousands passes by his father that were creating points out of NOTHING.
    I watched a lot of Arvydas playing, starting with the game he played and beat Team USA and David Robinson. We have a little slice of that in Indiana. Those talents are under appreciated IMO.

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  • bball_nomad
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    Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post



    But on offense? The things Domas does on offense helps other players. In contrast, Myles does things like throws the ball at guy's ankles expecting them to catch it. Domas has also obviously been more successful with his own numbers blowing away Myles' numbers. While defense is a relatively close call, Domas is far and away better on offense. Give the man his 30 minutes and he may learn how to stop fouling too.

    Yep, those 5 assists yesterday, especially one with wrap around waist pas to Leaf for dunk - it just shows that Domas has his father's blood in his veins. I guess, from the VERY EARLY days of his life, during the Sabonis family bball pick-up games, he had a chance to watch couple thousands passes by his father that were creating points out of NOTHING.

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  • imawhat
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    It's still early, but players that have owned Myles in the past (Horford, Gasol, KAT) haven't owned him this season. Part of it is Gasol and Horford being past their prime, but part of it is Myles' improvement. He is closing the gap and improving, even if it isn't immediately noticeable.

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  • BlueNGold
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    Originally posted by Bricklayer View Post

    I see what you're saying, but the defensive ratings of other players have no bearing on Domas. The supposed correlation you think you've found is obviously due to those players generally being significantly inferior defenders... which is likely why they're on the bench. Vic is much better than Evans. McD is laughably bad at defense. But, because they're playing against the second unit, it bolsters their scores. Cojo surprises me a bit (perhaps sample size is at play). But otherwise, it makes total sense as to why you'd see that. I will throw you a bone and say Domas is relatively better than McDermott at defense. But I imagine that kyle would have a higher rating than Domas if he got his minutes.
    Domas is "relatively better than McDermott at defense"? I think I'll go with what Eleazor is saying over that.

    As for Myles' defense, I generally like it. I think Domas does OK too. I do not believe there is a huge difference in value between their games on defense...only that they deliver different value.

    I think many here are focusing way too much on Myle's length and shot-blocking ability than the total package, which includes blocking out, rebounding, having good defensive awareness and being in good position, not getting burned by going for the block only to see another guy lay it in. Oh, and physicality. Myles is still getting pushed around and unless he continues to work on that he may always get pushed around which will be a career limiting issue for him.

    Also, Eleazer already pointed out that teams score more with Turner on the floor than Domas....Domas' defensive rating is the highest on the team...and the fact is he finished the most hotly contested game of the year and outplayed Myles again. All these things tell me Domas isn't a liability on defense and may actually be better but they are so different it's hard to say.

    But on offense? The things Domas does on offense helps other players. In contrast, Myles does things like throws the ball at guy's ankles expecting them to catch it. Domas has also obviously been more successful with his own numbers blowing away Myles' numbers. While defense is a relatively close call, Domas is far and away better on offense. Give the man his 30 minutes and he may learn how to stop fouling too.


    Last edited by BlueNGold; 11-04-2018, 08:21 AM.

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  • bball_nomad
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    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
    It has to be depressing to be OKC fans and watch Sabo/Dipo doing their thing lol
    But they have a pleasure to watch Westbrook's show

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  • kent beckley
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    Domas had played about 14 straight minutes of game time when he sat in the fourth. He wasnt going to finish the game. Myles came in, was obviously not in the flow of the game, so Domas came in after a short breather. Also, Domas finished with five fouls, so that two minute break when he was tired may have prevented a foul thus allowing him to be in at the end of the game. Just something to think about while you are finding something to gripe about after what maybe the best game of the entire season.

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  • D-BONE
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    Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

    Which is why I believe that we should play both of them together and have Domas defend PFs. His biggest weakness (defense at the rim) gets mitigated by playing next to a rim protector while Myles' biggest weakness (rebounding) gets mitigated by playing next to a great rebounder.
    It seems so common sensical, yet it still hasn't happened. Will give Nate the benefit of the doubt. He knows more about basketball than me, and he's done an excellent job with this core so far (last year and this year).

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  • Downtown Bang!
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    Is there a way to block Myles vs. Domas debates?

    Actually thought there was some decent offensive efficiency last night against maybe the best defense in the league.

    While he clearly warmed up in the 4th I would actually like Vic to look for the open mid-range shot more when he has a tough shooting night. He can get separation easily and if patient can get his feet under him and hit a high %.

    Another game where the team played hard defensively, stayed engaged and where Nate put the right line-ups out there in the fourth quarter.

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