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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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  • BlueNGold
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    Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

    Yeah because they used him incorrectly offensively. That doesn't mean that they used him incorrectly defensively. They used him defensively in the same way that his coach in the Lithuanian national team is using him. Next to a Center.
    The Pacers are not using Myles properly on offense. I agree. He should be shooting more from the perimeter and he should not be making decisions with the ball while in the paint. It's not good for our offensive flow. But he could be a good person to make a shot. I think his shooting has not been tapped enough.

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  • Nuntius
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    Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

    Nuntius and others who might click on that link: That website attempted to download a trojan horse onto my computer. This means that if you have clicked on this link and did not get a warning from your security software, you are likely infected. I am using Web Root Secure Anywhere which is security software recommended by Best Buy.
    My Bitdefender isn't detecting anything here but thanks for the tip. Here's the nba.com link but it only has the end of that sequence (Arcidiacono trying to make something out of nothing) -> https://stats.nba.com/events/?flag=1...0Shot&sct=plot

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  • PetPaima
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    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

    And he averaged 6 and 4 while losing playing time at the end of the year, let it go.
    What Nuntius would like to see, what I would like to see and what you don't seem able to grasp is a system where :

    Myles is a defensive 5, offensive 4 (or you could call him Stretch-5)

    Sabo is a defensive 4, offensive 5 (or you could call him an old-fashioned low post power forward which is of course an almost extinct player type of forgotten past of 20th Century).


    no one (as far as I know) wants to make Sabo a perimeter spot-up shooter as he was miscast in OKC. However, that was an offensive misplacement - he wasn't (even as a rookie) out of place in DEFENDING power forward spot.

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  • BlueNGold
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    I will say that I think Myles improved his overall defense since last year and he's not as soft. He's not really a force in there yet on a game to game basis, but he was effective in Chicago moreso than I had seen him in the past.

    As far as I'm concerned, I continue to watch Myles and Domas. I think both improved since last year. But I think it's obvious that Domas improved more. He's starting to play more like a veteran and honestly he's just ahead of Myles all things considered. But I continue to watch and hope they both improve.

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  • Nuntius
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    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

    And he averaged 6 and 4 while losing playing time at the end of the year, let it go.
    Yeah because they used him incorrectly offensively. That doesn't mean that they used him incorrectly defensively. They used him defensively in the same way that his coach in the Lithuanian national team is using him. Next to a Center.

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  • vnzla81
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    Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

    Small sample size? The heck you're talking about? Domas played 1632 minutes for OKC. Almost all of those minutes were at PF since OKC had both Adams and Kanter to man the C position. How the heck is that a small sample size?

    Conversely, the minutes he has spend next to Myles for us IS a small sample size. It happened less than 100 minutes last season and it's happening for less than 5 minutes per game so far into the season. We don't know if works or not because Nate is refusing to try it. He is on record saying that he doesn't want to try it.
    And he averaged 6 and 4 while losing playing time at the end of the year, let it go.

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  • BlueNGold
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    Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

    No. Myles used to just be a shot-blocker when he came into the league but right now he is an all-around defensive player.

    This is a replay of the 4th quarter against the Bulls -> http://www.nbahdreplay.com/nbareplay/47018/

    I want to focus on the play that starts at 12:23 of that video. Dipo had just tied the game up at 99 a piece with 4:31 remaining. LaVine brings the ball up the court and passes it to Arcidiacono. Arcidiacono runs a PnR with Wendell Carter Jr. and have LaVine screen Myles as he gets back to his man. This could either result in a lob pass to Wendell Carter or a 3 for LaVine but Myles and Dipo defend the action well and break up Chicago's play. LaVine asks for another screen by Wendell Carter Jr. up top. Myles contains LaVine in the perimeter until Dipo gets back and quickly gets back to Wendell Carter Jr. to block off the passing lane inside. With that play broken up as well the Bulls have to rely on Arcidiacono getting off a bail-out shot that he misses.

    It's possessions like this one that I'm talking about when I say that Myles has improved a lot as a defender. Throughout that play the Bulls were trying to get into the lane but our PnR coverage blew up their plays. They tried to get into the lane but Myles was there to deter that. His presence down low scared them off. It's not gonna count as a block or shot contest, obviously, but we all know that deterring drives and shots at the rim is as important as contesting them.
    Nuntius and others who might click on that link: That website attempted to download a trojan horse onto my computer. This means that if you have clicked on this link and did not get a warning from your security software, you are likely infected. I am using Web Root Secure Anywhere which is security software recommended by Best Buy.

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  • Nuntius
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    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post

    He was a rookie, different system, different teammates, this happened two years ago, small sample size, etc, etc.


    Let it go.


    Now we have almost two years with him as a Pacer and know it doesnít work, the end.
    Small sample size? The heck you're talking about? Domas played 1632 minutes for OKC. Almost all of those minutes were at PF since OKC had both Adams and Kanter to man the C position. How the heck is that a small sample size?

    Conversely, the minutes he has spend next to Myles for us IS a small sample size. It happened less than 100 minutes last season and it's happening for less than 5 minutes per game so far into the season. We don't know if works or not because Nate is refusing to try it. He is on record saying that he doesn't want to try it.

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  • Nuntius
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    Originally posted by PetPaima View Post

    Thad is a good (if not VERY good) on-ball defender - that makes him valuable against Greek Freak, Lebron etc. He probably will do a good job against Kawhi too...

    However, he is an atrocious off-ball defender who constantly loses spot-up shooters due to ball-watching / steal-hawking.

    Nothing odd about that. That has been clearly visible trend as long as he has been here and probably even before... (but I wasn't watching that closely then)
    Yep. 100% correct. He is an invaluable defender against big wings that play on-ball but against shooters he hurt us more often than not.

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  • Nuntius
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    Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
    I think many here are focusing way too much on Myle's length and shot-blocking ability than the total package
    No. Myles used to just be a shot-blocker when he came into the league but right now he is an all-around defensive player.

    This is a replay of the 4th quarter against the Bulls -> http://www.nbahdreplay.com/nbareplay/47018/

    I want to focus on the play that starts at 12:23 of that video. Dipo had just tied the game up at 99 a piece with 4:31 remaining. LaVine brings the ball up the court and passes it to Arcidiacono. Arcidiacono runs a PnR with Wendell Carter Jr. and have LaVine screen Myles as he gets back to his man. This could either result in a lob pass to Wendell Carter or a 3 for LaVine but Myles and Dipo defend the action well and break up Chicago's play. LaVine asks for another screen by Wendell Carter Jr. up top. Myles contains LaVine in the perimeter until Dipo gets back and quickly gets back to Wendell Carter Jr. to block off the passing lane inside. With that play broken up as well the Bulls have to rely on Arcidiacono getting off a bail-out shot that he misses.

    It's possessions like this one that I'm talking about when I say that Myles has improved a lot as a defender. Throughout that play the Bulls were trying to get into the lane but our PnR coverage blew up their plays. They tried to get into the lane but Myles was there to deter that. His presence down low scared them off. It's not gonna count as a block or shot contest, obviously, but we all know that deterring drives and shots at the rim is as important as contesting them.

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  • PetPaima
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    Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
    If anyone is to blame for the long closeouts, its Thad. Hes the worst at long closeouts imo. He goes for the steal and gives the 3/4 just enought time to perfectly line the shot up and shoot it accurately. And Morris/Brown had all the looks they want. Yet, when we played the Bucks Thad played Giannis tight on the perimeter. Just odd.
    Thad is a good (if not VERY good) on-ball defender - that makes him valuable against Greek Freak, Lebron etc. He probably will do a good job against Kawhi too...

    However, he is an atrocious off-ball defender who constantly loses spot-up shooters due to ball-watching / steal-hawking.

    Nothing odd about that. That has been clearly visible trend as long as he has been here and probably even before... (but I wasn't watching that closely then)

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  • vnzla81
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    Either way Sabo is a beast at center and the dream of him moving to a position he is not comfortable playing so Pacers can fit the worse player in Turner is another ridiculous idea.

    The time will come and letís hope they donít choose Turner over Sabo.

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  • DeS
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    I was disappointed that the game was on the line until last seconds.Celtics team is terrible. They have no game inside and live by 3-pointers. Certainly not a championship caliber team.
    Of course - it was back-to-back, so i'll take this win

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  • vnzla81
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    Originally posted by Mourning View Post

    Almost 2 years? Lol? We haven't even had him for one and a quarter season yet, so your samplesize argument doesn't hold nearly true as much as you try to make it look like.
    My sample size is way bigger than whatever amount of time he got to play in OKC with Westbrook, Adams and Roberson.

    Yesterday was another sample but yeah ďin OKC he played at PF and ....Ē

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  • Mourning
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    Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
    I dont understand why people assume that Sabonis is going to become disgruntled. He needs to play more minutes and that is on coach, but Manu Ginobli played as a sixth man and had a HOF career, made money, won championships, etc.
    That, but also foultrouble will limit his minutes. Either way, he's in a good spot now IMHO and he can only become better playing against mainly opposing benches, especially with Tyreke in at the sametime. When his fouls go down THAT is when the coaching staff really needs to starts making a decision that influences most likely Myles playing time aswell as Kyle's.
    Last edited by Mourning; 11-04-2018, 12:57 PM.

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