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  • blanket
    Expect Delays
    • Feb 2004
    • 1829

    #76
    Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

    Originally posted by sarc
    Sure, there's a lot of evidence exactly for that.




    To be more serious, sure we can't say Foster didn't have any offensive game, but to compare him with Roy is ridiculous.
    Check out Dunleavy's reaction when he sees Foster put up that shot. Can't even look.
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    • PacersPride
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      • Jun 2010
      • 4164

      #77
      Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

      That shot was a broken play. Last person you want on the court taking a mid range jumper was Jeff for a game winner. (at least foster is on the court in crunch time).

      Like i said, Foster sacrificed more thna most Pacers fans are apparently aware of. He was playing out of position his entire career. Foster was not a center by most folks standards.

      In that instance, not a chance you would give him a bounce pass. He was 6'10 playing vs centers. However, play him in his ideal position of PF and I would change my answer to yes. You can post up Jeff Foster when he had the height advantage.

      Roy is 7'2 ffs and still doesnt have a hookshot. Please spare me the omgz PP said fosters as good as roy giggles please.


      Give Roy 10 chances to score on Jeff Foster and my money is on Feisty 9 times out of 10 to shut roy down. For crying out loud.. Roy got defended by Tyler Hansbrough and Mike Beasley in back to back games and did not score. This was at the tail end of the season.

      Beasley got rotated over to Roy on defense, Roy ended up traveling or putting up some goofy awkard looking fadeaway. Tyler shut Roy down as well.. it was again a perfect post setup and Hibbs failed to convert.

      Feisty Foster spilled his guts out on the court for the Blue and Gold. Give the man his due respect. I would take him on my all time Pacers team any game of the week.

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      • sarc
        Member
        • Feb 2004
        • 14

        #78
        Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

        Originally posted by PacersPride
        Last person you want on the court taking a mid range jumper was Jeff for a game winner.
        Originally posted by PacersPride
        Foster had a nice jumpshot
        Which is it?

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        • PacersPride
          Banned
          • Jun 2010
          • 4164

          #79
          Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

          Originally posted by sarc
          Which is it?


          "last person you want on the court taking a mid range jumper was Jeff for a game winner"

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          • ECKrueger
            Boilermaker (TJL)
            • Oct 2007
            • 6098

            #80
            Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

            Originally posted by PacersPride
            That shot was a broken play. Last person you want on the court taking a mid range jumper was Jeff for a game winner. (at least foster is on the court in crunch time).

            Like i said, Foster sacrificed more thna most Pacers fans are apparently aware of. He was playing out of position his entire career. Foster was not a center by most folks standards.

            In that instance, not a chance you would give him a bounce pass. He was 6'10 playing vs centers. However, play him in his ideal position of PF and I would change my answer to yes. You can post up Jeff Foster when he had the height advantage.

            Roy is 7'2 ffs and still doesnt have a hookshot. Please spare me the omgz PP said fosters as good as roy giggles please.


            Give Roy 10 chances to score on Jeff Foster and my money is on Feisty 9 times out of 10 to shut roy down. For crying out loud.. Roy got defended by Tyler Hansbrough and Mike Beasley in back to back games and did not score. This was at the tail end of the season.

            Beasley got rotated over to Roy on defense, Roy ended up traveling or putting up some goofy awkard looking fadeaway. Tyler shut Roy down as well.. it was again a perfect post setup and Hibbs failed to convert.

            Feisty Foster spilled his guts out on the court for the Blue and Gold. Give the man his due respect. I would take him on my all time Pacers team any game of the week.
            So did Roy, and yet...

            Having a variety of way to finish layups does not make one a talented offensive player. I ****ing love Jeff Foster, but he is clearly inferior to Roy on offense.

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            • presto123
              Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 6087

              #81
              Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

              A national radio host was bragging last night about all the good things the Lakers have done this off season and how they would be better than the Clippers this year(haha) when the subject of Roy Hibbert came up. He said something to the effect that Hibbert doesn't have to set the world on fire, but he can come in and give the Lakers probably 12 points and 12 rebounds per game. I almost spit my drink out

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              • Peck
                Administrator
                • Jan 2004
                • 19955

                #82
                Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

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                After listening to this interview it certainly seems like things were so bad that the Pacers felt the need to be rid of him. Now to be honest that does shock me a little, I just assumed he would be here unless we could a value in return. As it is we are literally giving him away, I have no idea what would motivate them to do that? I mean it could just mean that they wanted a fresh start but still why the rush, that deal or another deal would probably have been there closer to training camp.
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                • PacersPride
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                  • Jun 2010
                  • 4164

                  #83
                  Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                  Originally posted by ECKrueger
                  So did Roy, and yet...

                  Having a variety of way to finish layups does not make one a talented offensive player. I ****ing love Jeff Foster, but he is clearly inferior to Roy on offense.
                  Jeff did it for 13 seasons.

                  Again, i simply believe you fail to take into considderation foster played out of position. he was not 7'2 like roy. also, Jeff Foster played point gaurd in high school.

                  he was no where near the clutz is roy can be in the post. Foster was at least functional. Just not the go to piece for a championship caliber team. Tinman, Reggie, Artest, JO, Al, Croshere, Jackhole.

                  Foster did the dirty work. I sure as **** believe Foster coulda averaged more points than Roy last season with the lack of scoring options the Pacers were left with.

                  Is he a pure post option no. Is Foster the bettter offensive player. Yes. He sacrificed his game for the good of the team.



                  Out of respect to Foster im gonna cease right there. roy is not worthy of comaparison to Foster.

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                  • PacersPride
                    Banned
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 4164

                    #84
                    Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                    Originally posted by presto123
                    A national radio host was bragging last night about all the good things the Lakers have done this off season and how they would be better than the Clippers this year(haha) when the subject of Roy Hibbert came up. He said something to the effect that Hibbert doesn't have to set the world on fire, but he can come in and give the Lakers probably 12 points and 12 rebounds per game. I almost spit my drink out
                    That will be most interesting to see shake out. In the up tempo west roy has a solid shot at 8 boards. thats where i would draw the line. anything less is substandard.

                    12 would be remarkaable. the list of centers in the west is deep.

                    deandre, gasol, duncan, howard, cousins, chandler, gobert, anthony davis (pf/c)

                    secondary tier

                    karl anthony towns, asik, kanter, steven adams (jeff foster clone).


                    Teams like GS and Portland will minimize him with the 3 ball. roys got his work cut out for him. a fresh start in la may benefit big roy or it could crush him.

                    he was a great pacer for about 2.5 seasons. dont think anyone will ever know what happened to the big fella. wish him all the best.

                    Bird has a BANNER to raise.

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                    • ECKrueger
                      Boilermaker (TJL)
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 6098

                      #85
                      Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                      I don't care what position, era, how long, how their balance was, who they played with or anything else. Roy is a better offensive option than Jeff.

                      Jeff primarily scored on layups and put backs, granted he did it pretty well. Roy could do that too, and post, shoot hook shots, jumpers, pass out of the post.

                      Oh wait, Roy can dunk too: http://www.yougotdunkedon.com/2013/0...-dunks-on.html

                      Out of disrespect for this conversation I'm ceasing there.

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                      • PacersPride
                        Banned
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 4164

                        #86
                        Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                        I just dont wanna beat on the hibbert drum to much any longer if i can avoid it. that is more or less what i am gettng at. i can chat fiesty foster all day. foster was a much better passer. an excellent passer actually - he played pg in hs. his iq was off the charts. knew exactly how to maximize his space.

                        what ive been saying since mid march about roy would have been alot more accepted had i waited post birds press conference. roy was my favorite pacer for several seasons. i played his position and key in on him more than any other player during games. i guess i dont need larry to lay it out to me.

                        i know Bird, and I know basketball. to each his own but Roy has not been the same player for some time.


                        as far as foster... you cant tell me hansbrough was any better an offensive player. and thats a kid that at one time or may still be the ACC's leading scorer. the reason hansbrough sucked in the pros is he was undersized for his position. same with Jeff, except he was forced to play out of position for JO.

                        fosters offensive game was overshadowed a great deal by the amount of offensive talent surrounding him. Bird at one time or another is quoted as stating as much.

                        Jeff was a very "unselfish" player that sacrificed for a "championship caliber" team in order to potentially reach the goal. According to recent reports not certain the same can be said of the player you reference.


                        i truly do wish roy all the best. i believe his issues may run deeper than basketball. but from this fans perspective Bird is not in charge to run a day care center. he has obligation to the State, Franchise, Mr. Simon, and the Fans to build a Champion. Thats the job he is paid to do.

                        he obvioulsy felt roy was not pulling his weight to trade him for peanuts. what i was stating since march was alot closer to the truth than most were willing to confess. i got ripped by about 30 posters at a time and regrettably used some poor choice of words but i was speaking what i believed to be truth.

                        turns out. i was pretty much right on the money. at least according to a 3 time mvp and coach of the year.


                        anyways... appls and oranges with feisty and roy. neither one of em are worth an offensive possession. only diffference foster would find his own off the glass.

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                        • Ace E.Anderson
                          Member
                          • Dec 2011
                          • 18261

                          #87
                          Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                          Are we really saying that Jeff Foster was a better offensive player than Roy Hibbert? If Jeff Foster had any type of offensive game whatsoever, he would have been a borderline All-Star for much of his career.

                          Jeff was smart, and knew his limitations. But he had ZERO post skills, couldn't really shoot, and obviously couldn't create his own offense in any way. He was smart and knew when to cut to the basket, and his speed allowed him to do certain things. But an offensive player he was not.

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                          • BillS
                            Angry Old Poster
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 21659

                            #88
                            Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                            I can't understand how anyone in their right mind would use Jeff Foster's offense as any kind of positive argument. Foster was at his best when he was not part of the offense at all except for rebounds and setting screens (now THAT guy could set a pick!). When we were in a position where we depended on him to be a top option on offense, we failed.

                            I don't think even Jeff came to terms with that until later in his career.
                            BillS

                            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                            • BillS
                              Angry Old Poster
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 21659

                              #89
                              Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                              Roy Hibbert helped define the Indiana Pacers smash-mouth defensive era that put the team on the brink of a title. Don't forget that.


                              In fact almost every time we have posted anything on Roy Hibbert since the tail end of the 2013-14 season, there was at least one “trade ’em” comment. Obviously when Roy is at his worst it is easy to say this and at least in this moment his critics are right.

                              But has he actually gotten any worse? I don’t think he did.

                              I think perception or even just foolish delusion created expectations for Roy Hibbert that he was never going meet.
                              BillS

                              A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                              • Sollozzo
                                Member
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 27439

                                #90
                                Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                                I respected later career Jeff Foster, but starting Jeff Foster back in the mid 2000's led to the downfall of Jermaine O'Neal. Defenses completely mauled JO since they didn't have to pay Foster any respect. It's why JO suffered an immediate 5% reduction in FG% when we went from Brad Miller to Jeff Foster.

                                If we would have had Brad Miller in 2004 against Detroit, then we would have had a drastically better chance of winning that series. Detroit smothered JO because they could completely ignore Foster. Imagine if Detroit would have had to pay Brad Miller respect in that series.

                                I like Foster, but our insistence on pairing such a limited player with JO for the prime of his career was a giant disservice to JO.

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