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  • freddielewis14
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    • Jun 2008
    • 8799

    Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

    What's great about these debates is we'll actually get to see it pan out. Will Roy turn the Lakers defense around? Will he still be a top 5 rim protector? Can he get back to playing at an "All Star level" like he and the Lakers envision? We will know soon enough.

    What's interesting is the amount of people who believe Hibbert actually played average last season and that people are overreacting and not understanding the stats.

    That may true, but if so, everyone around the league is overreacting as well.



    For Hibbert's sake, if this is his last stand, I wish it wasn't in the West on the Lakers.

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    • Rogco
      Undefeated
      • Sep 2010
      • 6491

      Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

      Originally posted by Heisenberg
      some day Pacers Digest will get over this incessant need to stake out make believe camps on either extreme as an excuse to actually discuss anything with nuance
      Says the man with the Bird's a turd tag line (which is actually pretty funny, at least to me, because in my head I have surfin' bird playing but with the lyrics Bird is a turd...)
      Danger Zone

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      • Rogco
        Undefeated
        • Sep 2010
        • 6491

        Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

        Originally posted by freddielewis14
        What's great about these debates is we'll actually get to see it pan out. Will Roy turn the Lakers defense around? Will he still be a top 5 rim protector? Can he get back to playing at an "All Star level" like he and the Lakers envision? We will know soon enough.

        What's interesting is the amount of people who believe Hibbert actually played average last season and that people are overreacting and not understanding the stats.

        That may true, but if so, everyone around the league is overreacting as well.



        For Hibbert's sake, if this is his last stand, I wish it wasn't in the West on the Lakers.
        I think LA is a great spot for him. The main reason is he is out of Indy. I still firmly believe that something outside of basketball really upset Hibbert and effected his play. He already knows LA and he's getting away from his issues and getting a new start, and I think that can rejuvenate his game. In addition, if Kobe is playing then Roy will have no choice but to do less offensively and focus on the three things that made him really good: defense, rebounding and a decent ability to pass out of the paint.
        Danger Zone

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        • Drew46229
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          • Mar 2013
          • 488

          Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

          I was impressed with the transcript of Roy's LAL presser. Specifically when he took responsibility for his decline in play last year and spoke of wanting to move forward. To me, he's saying all the right things. I hope he's able to revitalize his career in Los Angeles. All the best to you, Roy.

          David West on the other hand? I hope that dude never wins another game. You wanna talk about lack of effort? People exalt David West as though he's some sort of wizened old basketball sage, a veteran with impeccable leadership credentials. Fact of the matter is, from the moment PG went down (and West perceived that we were not "contenders" http://www.indystar.com/story/sports...lity/16506641/) until he split for SAS , DWest didn't have one positive thing to say nor did he give anything approaching solid effort. He's always been a minus defender, but last season he looked to not give a damn on the offensive side of the ball, either. Roy is a rock solid interior defender who averaged 10.6 and 7.1, points and boards per night respectively. David West is a minus defender overall who averaged 11.7 and 6.8, I'm not sure how Roy was responsible for the downfall of the Pacers, but DWest never gets mentioned. If David was such a leader, he could have taken control of that locker room and had those guys playing for one another instead of writing the obit on the season before it ever began.

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          • Rogco
            Undefeated
            • Sep 2010
            • 6491

            Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

            Originally posted by Drew46229
            I was impressed with the transcript of Roy's LAL presser. Specifically when he took responsibility for his decline in play last year and spoke of wanting to move forward. To me, he's saying all the right things. I hope he's able to revitalize his career in Los Angeles. All the best to you, Roy.

            David West on the other hand? I hope that dude never wins another game. You wanna talk about lack of effort? People exalt David West as though he's some sort of wizened old basketball sage, a veteran with impeccable leadership credentials. Fact of the matter is, from the moment PG went down (and West perceived that we were not "contenders" http://www.indystar.com/story/sports...lity/16506641/) until he split for SAS , DWest didn't have one positive thing to say nor did he give anything approaching solid effort. He's always been a minus defender, but last season he looked to not give a damn on the offensive side of the ball, either. Roy is a rock solid interior defender who averaged 10.6 and 7.1, points and boards per night respectively. David West is a minus defender overall who averaged 11.7 and 6.8, I'm not sure how Roy was responsible for the downfall of the Pacers, but DWest never gets mentioned. If David was such a leader, he could have taken control of that locker room and had those guys playing for one another instead of writing the obit on the season before it ever began.
            Definitely fair points. I always felt that West got a bit of a pass just cause he's old, but I got so frustrated with him last year. Now that was lack of effort! I swear there were games that he spent more energy *****ing at the refs than he did blocking out.
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            • freddielewis14
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              • Jun 2008
              • 8799

              Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

              Originally posted by Rogco
              I think LA is a great spot for him. The main reason is he is out of Indy. I still firmly believe that something outside of basketball really upset Hibbert and effected his play. He already knows LA and he's getting away from his issues and getting a new start, and I think that can rejuvenate his game. In addition, if Kobe is playing then Roy will have no choice but to do less offensively and focus on the three things that made him really good: defense, rebounding and a decent ability to pass out of the paint.
              I just can't see how the faster pace of West is going to help Roy. Are the Lakers going to slow the game down so Roy's defense is even effective? I guess we'll see.

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              • immortality
                Member
                • Feb 2007
                • 4164

                Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                Originally posted by Eleazar
                Don't expect that to happen until the board population is under 20 people.
                Like how when Pacers were losing ? :P

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                • sav
                  Member
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 5460

                  Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                  Originally posted by Drew46229
                  I was impressed with the transcript of Roy's LAL presser. Specifically when he took responsibility for his decline in play last year and spoke of wanting to move forward. To me, he's saying all the right things. I hope he's able to revitalize his career in Los Angeles. All the best to you, Roy.

                  David West on the other hand? I hope that dude never wins another game. You wanna talk about lack of effort? People exalt David West as though he's some sort of wizened old basketball sage, a veteran with impeccable leadership credentials. Fact of the matter is, from the moment PG went down (and West perceived that we were not "contenders" http://www.indystar.com/story/sports...lity/16506641/) until he split for SAS , DWest didn't have one positive thing to say nor did he give anything approaching solid effort. He's always been a minus defender, but last season he looked to not give a damn on the offensive side of the ball, either. Roy is a rock solid interior defender who averaged 10.6 and 7.1, points and boards per night respectively. David West is a minus defender overall who averaged 11.7 and 6.8, I'm not sure how Roy was responsible for the downfall of the Pacers, but DWest never gets mentioned. If David was such a leader, he could have taken control of that locker room and had those guys playing for one another instead of writing the obit on the season before it ever began.
                  I agree with everything except the area in bold. West helped us to the next level, the level of playing in the ECF. I would not be upset if he won a championship, unless of course it was against the Pacers.

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                  • Drew46229
                    Member
                    • Mar 2013
                    • 488

                    Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                    Originally posted by sav
                    I agree with everything except the area in bold. West helped us to the next level, the level of playing in the ECF. I would not be upset if he won a championship, unless of course it was against the Pacers.
                    Maybe it is a touch... strong? I guess I don't specifically wish the guy ill, but I will not be rooting for his continued success. He had some pretty negative comments about the Pacers org, team, chances at winning, etc. on the way out the door. He did take us to the next level when he arrived. He showed a lot of grit and determination in the first 3 seasons here, my only real beef is with how the 4th went down. It has left a sour taste in my mouth, along with the ridiculous amount of Roy-bashing that occurs around here. I just don't think DWest is blameless in last season's lottery appearance.

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                    • BlueCollarColts
                      Member
                      • Oct 2012
                      • 9569

                      Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                      West was flat out bad least season, no other way to put it. Turning him into Monta Ellis was a steal as far as on the court production.

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                      • Infinite MAN_force
                        Lurker of the Year
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 3108

                        Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                        Originally posted by Eleazar
                        Don't expect that to happen until the board population is under 20 people.
                        I always thought the quality of discussion was higher around here in the "Murphleavy" years, despite the lack of quality on the court. It was a smaller, smarter group of posters when the team was more or less in the dumps.

                        There was a lot of Jim Obrien vitriol back then, but I believe that was actually pretty deserved. He really was a bad coach.
                        "As a bearded man, i was very disappointed in Love. I am gathering other bearded men to discuss the status of Kevin Love's beard. I am motioning that it must be shaved."

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                        • 3rdStrike
                          Member
                          • Jul 2006
                          • 1903

                          Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                          Originally posted by Heisenberg
                          some day Pacers Digest will get over this incessant need to stake out make believe camps on either extreme as an excuse to actually discuss anything with nuance
                          By all means, point me to the nuanced discussion. "Roy was crap because X (where X = anything in the known universe that doesn't point to his own culpability, plausible in a conversation concerning basketball or not)" is not nuanced. If you can't see that there are still people who have their heads buried in the sand and outright refuse to believe established reports or widely accepted truths, I dunno, I'm just as willing to count you amongst the ostriches.

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                          • BillS
                            Angry Old Poster
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 21654

                            Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                            Originally posted by 3rdStrike
                            By all means, point me to the nuanced discussion. "Roy was crap because X (where X = anything in the known universe that doesn't point to his own culpability, plausible in a conversation concerning basketball or not)" is not nuanced. If you can't see that there are still people who have their heads buried in the sand and outright refuse to believe established reports or widely accepted truths, I dunno, I'm just as willing to count you amongst the ostriches.
                            If you can't see that "Roy wasn't very good but he wasn't the worst center in NBA history" isn't the same as lining up to get a drop of sacred sweat from his ... shorts ... then the word "nuanced" is a bit lost on you.

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                            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                            • spazzxb
                              Member
                              • Feb 2006
                              • 3361

                              Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                              Originally posted by Infinite MAN_force
                              I always thought the quality of discussion was higher around here in the "Murphleavy" years, despite the lack of quality on the court. It was a smaller, smarter group of posters when the team was more or less in the dumps.

                              There was a lot of Jim Obrien vitriol back then, but I believe that was actually pretty deserved. He really was a bad coach.
                              It was a full on volcano of hatred back then. Rational discussion of basketball was outlawed until JOB and Posey were removed. It was almost like a fan lockout.

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                              Last edited by spazzxb; 07-23-2015, 08:18 PM.

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                              • Ace E.Anderson
                                Member
                                • Dec 2011
                                • 18261

                                Re: All things Roy Hibbert for the next year or so....

                                Originally posted by 3rdStrike
                                By all means, point me to the nuanced discussion. "Roy was crap because X (where X = anything in the known universe that doesn't point to his own culpability, plausible in a conversation concerning basketball or not)" is not nuanced. If you can't see that there are still people who have their heads buried in the sand and outright refuse to believe established reports or widely accepted truths, I dunno, I'm just as willing to count you amongst the ostriches.
                                What is it that people outright refuse to believe? Are you referring to Brunner's report? Most of that article was opinion based, was it not? I don't see anyone refusing to believ the story, as much as I see people having a difference in opinion.

                                Others believe that Roy lacked effort last season. That's another opinion that's being disputed.

                                Nobody is saying Roy played at a high level after the first 10ish games or so last season. Nobody is disputing that at all. But just because there's a difference in opinion as to WHY he didn't play well, or the attitude that some believe he had, doesn't mean anyone has their heads in the sand.

                                Similar types of arguments went on last year with Lance. But nobody was saying that Lance supporters had their heads in the sand; and there was just as much information and reported issues about Lance. It's all a matter of where you draw the line in the sand. At least for as silly as the Lance thread could be, there was a lot of discussion about actual basketball IMO.

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