Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

[Ace E.Anderson]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

Even if Lance stole "all" his rebounds there is no reason Hibbert can't get 1 rebound. He is 7ft. He should get 5 rebounds a game by just standing there

You've obviously never played basketball or else you would know this isn't close to being the truth at all whatsoever. Rebounding has little to do with height. It's all about positioning, timing and aggression. Height, length, and athleticism help, but having any of the 3 does not automatically make you a good rebounder by any stretch.

[aamcguy]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

Even if Lance stole "all" his rebounds there is no reason Hibbert can't get 1 rebound. He is 7ft. He should get 5 rebounds a game by just standing there

What do you mean can't get 1? He averaged 6.6 for the year. While not a great number, George hill, Paul George, and lance Stephenson were all above average rebounders for their positions.

[joew8302]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

I agree with the idea of Vogel telling a player he will be benched if a, b, or c does or does not happen.

The problem is Vogel has had numerous opportunities to do this in the past, and has never done it. He needs to be tougher in this regard.

How on earth do you know all of what Vogel told the players?

[sav]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

How on earth do you know all of what Vogel told the players?

You don't have to know, you can tell by his actions. He has Rarely benched players.

[Taterhead]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

You've obviously never played basketball or else you would know this isn't close to being the truth at all whatsoever. Rebounding has little to do with height. It's all about positioning, timing and aggression. Height, length, and athleticism help, but having any of the 3 does not automatically make you a good rebounder by any stretch.

No rebounding is all about position, timing, aggression and STEALING THEM, lol

[3rdStrike]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

The two most overrated parts of Lance's game. Lance was average to bad on defense last year, and most of Lance's rebounds were not of the kind where he is boxing his guy out and fighting for a rebound. There should be little to no drop off in both of those areas.

What are you basing that on? Lance is a plus defender, this is fairly well known.

I'm not touching the rebounding thing, because you actually said Roy will average 2 more boards per game for the whole season. Bookmarked!

[Tom White]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

How on earth do you know all of what Vogel told the players?

Things like him yelling at the players to MOVE, and they made no effort to do it. If I'm coaching and the players just ignore it when I tell them to move, I'm putting someone in who will listen.

That is just one example. Another would be when he would call a play, and you could tell by his reaction they didn't run it.

[BornIndy]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

What do you mean can't get 1? He averaged 6.6 for the year. While not a great number, George hill, Paul George, and lance Stephenson were all above average rebounders for their positions.

And there were also a couple of games the playoffs where he grab ZERO

[Eleazar]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

What are you basing that on? Lance is a plus defender, this is fairly well known.

I'm not touching the rebounding thing, because you actually said Roy will average 2 more boards per game for the whole season. Bookmarked!

Yes, because Roy hasn't ever averaged 8.6RPG or more in a season. He didn't average 8.8 and 8.3 RPG the previous two seasons. When I say he will he will average 2 more, I am saying I think he will average somewhere between 8.2 and 8.8 RPG. Pre-ASB he was averaging 7.7 RPG. Which is 1.1 RPG higher than his season ending average.

(8.8 + 8.3)/2 = 8.55

[aamcguy]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

And there were also a couple of games the playoffs where he grab ZERO

Give me an example of a player in our team (you can even include lance in this one) that has never had a dud of a game. Restrict it to playoff games if you would like. Tell me that player exists and I'll take 5 minutes and find a terrible game or 2.

[BornIndy]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

Give me an example of a player in our team (you can even include lance in this one) that has never had a dud of a game. Restrict it to playoff games if you would like. Tell me that player exists and I'll take 5 minutes and find a terrible game or 2.

Doesn't matter. He is 7ft. How can u not grab 1 rebound? Idc about not scoring but not grabbing a single rebound? Trash

[aamcguy]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

Aamcguy

You rang?

[BornIndy]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

You rang?

Lol

[aamcguy]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

Doesn't matter. He is 7ft. How can u not grab 1 rebound? Idc about not scoring but not grabbing a single rebound? Trash

I'd agree if he routinely bageled in rebounding, but he doesn't. He's never been an elite rebounder, but he's never been terrible. He always had his ups and downs, but last season was especially strange because hibbert played the best and worst basketball of his career (like usual), but he timed it oppositely of how he usually does.

If there's complaints to be had for hibbert, they can be made, but the worst game of his career is not the norm for his 6 years just because its embarrassing. Especially since he followed it up by averaging 20 points and 8 rebounds in his next 3 games.

[Eleazar]

Re: Zach Lowe on Lance and Pacer's loss

I'd agree if he routinely bageled in rebounding, but he doesn't. He's never been an elite rebounder, but he's never been terrible. He always had his ups and downs, but last season was especially strange because hibbert played the best and worst basketball of his career (like usual), but he timed it oppositely of how he usually does.

If there's complaints to be had for hibbert, they can be made, but the worst game of his career is not the norm for his 6 years just because its embarrassing. Especially since he followed it up by averaging 20 points and 8 rebounds in his next 3 games.

Yup, Paul George laid an egg once. He then went on to have a break out season, and get an All-NBA nod.