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that's been my attitude towards iu football for a long, long time. expect failure, embarrassment and disappointment. if you do, you likely won't be unpleasantly surprised.
and yes, i also noticed just how far away the Hoosiers currently are from being in the conversation of contenders or anything approaching that.
yep, a near flawless game from trace is what was required to beat that sloppy Wyoming team. neither team was going beyond the the next game.
we need a massive upgrade in talent from our perimeter players in particular. hell, make that a massive upgrade across most of the squad honestly.Comment
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There's gonna be a lot of pressure on Woody if TJD stays, and they land this 5 star kid alongside JHS.
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IU needs top level coaching because the team is going to have to do more with less. Not just a coach that can coach high level talent and manage egos and minutes. That doesn't mean a star coach, but a coach that understands who IU is now and has the ability to get them punching above their weight class. A coach that can coach mid-level talent, and maybe the occasional upper level player, and moreover maximize their roles. That means utilizing the bench in ways that both develop the players, as well as live with some issues because IU cannot expect to be 'stacked' for now or the immediate future. That ship has sailed.
Whether that is Woodson or not, remains to be seen... And he did bring some energy to the program, but he also was on his honeymoon period and there were a whole lot of flaws and concerns too.Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.
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I think it's interesting we're talking about mid level talent when it's very possible IU will have 3 5-star recruits (TJD, JHS and Malik Reneau who is JHS's high school teammate and decommitted from Flordia) on the team this fall which is more than every team in the most recent Final 4 except Duke lol
Recruiting and getting talent to IU will never be the issue for any IU staff that is half way competent. Archie was just a moron and Crean's staff burned out at the end.
I think everyone needs to understand that part of the IU issue goes way beyond talent though. The program has needed a unifying presence for like 20 years.Last edited by Trader Joe; 04-05-2022, 02:08 PM.
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I just don't think IU can recruit a stacked team. They will always have the potential to score one or two... but then the blending becomes a problem. Meanwhile, Woodson is going to have to get over his aversion to playing and handing out consistent roles to freshmen.Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.
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Bates would be exhibit 1 of not giving a freshmen a consistent role. Bates couldn't tell you from one game to the next WHEN he would play or IF he would play. Nor did good play seem to have any bearing on how long he'd be on the court or could expect to return to that game... or the next game. I'm still kind of surprised he didn't hit the portal. If I was in Bates shoes... I'd be gone.
Then there was the kid from OH. Allegedly a big that could shoot, but who would know? He barely saw the court, yet didn't redshirt either, thus wasting a year. Arguably, maybe there wasn't a spot for him this year and he could use some more muscle before being ready for the B10. But, that doesn't negate the idea of redshirting.Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.
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Kids don't really redshirt anymore, it's just not a thing.
As far as Bates, he played 15 MPG as a dude who was shooting 34% from the field and 30% from 3. I'm not sure what Woody's supposed to do there to appease your or Bates. His minutes were really closely linked to Galloway and Phinisee most of the time. But IMO I don't think 15 MPG for a 4 star guy who struggled at the one thing he was supposed to be really good at, scoring, is not all that surprising.
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This is from the IU Hoosiers page. This is the definition of not getting consistent minutes:
2021-22 (Freshman)
Appeared in 32 games and averaged 3.9 points and 1.3 rebounds... shot 83.3% from free throw line (20-of-24) and added 20 assists and eight steals... played his first game as a Hoosier against EMU and had six points and two boards... had three points and three boards against NIU... had 11 points and an assist against St. John’s... made 5-of-10 shots... posted 10 points and three assists against Louisiana... had six points, a block and a steal against Jackson State… played 24 minutes and added six points against Marshall... played 14 minutes and had two points against Syracuse... came off the bench and had 13 points, 11 in the first half, against Nebraska in 25 minutes... played 17 minutes at Wisconsin and had three points, two boards and an assist... played 17 minutes and had seven points, four rebounds, an assist and a steal... had two points and two assists against NKU... did not score in six minutes at Penn State or in four minutes against Ohio State, or in five minutes against Minnesota... finished with two points, a rebound and a steal at Iowa... played nine minutes and had a basket, an assist and a steal... had an assist in eight minutes against Purdue... played six minutes against Michigan... hit two triples and had an assist and a blocked shot against Penn State... played 17 minutes at Maryland and had an assist... finished with six points and a rebound in 19 minutes against Illinois... tied his season-high with 13 points at Michigan State... had two rebounds and two assists and a steal... had two rebounds and two assists against Wisconsin... played 25 minutes and had seven points, five rebounds, an assist and steal against Ohio State... had three points, a rebound and a steal against Maryland... had five points and three rebounds at Minnesota... played five minutes against Rutgers... saw six minutes of action at Purdue... played four minutes and had three rebounds against Illinois... hit a huge three-pointer just before halftime against Iowa... had two points, a rebound and assist in 11 minutes against Wyoming.... played 16 minutes against Saint Mary’s and had seven points and a rebound.
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He played 10 mins total in the Hoosiers' 3 BTT games... 6 mins, 3 mins, 1 min....
EDIT... That's not right.... Last time I trust ESPN for stats.... He played 6 mins against Purdue according to ESPN, but that was not a BTT game. So... did he play against MI in the BTT or was it just 3 mins and 1 min in the tourney?Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.
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TJD has declared for the NBA draft... though he's keeping the door open on retaining his college eligibility.
Sooooo... I guess it's still until late May (unless something has changed) that a player has to get that NBA input on their draft positioning and things to work on and then decide to stay in the draft or return to school. I have no idea how the portal plays into this though.
Can you withdraw your name from the draft in late May and then enter the portal?
And even if you could, is that too late for schools and they already have their scholarships spoken for?
Unless TJD brings something new to the draft workouts, I suspect he'll be advised to go back to school. But, is IU the only school he would/could suit up for next year?Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.
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June 1st for players to retain their eligibility in college. June 13th is the real deadline.
Haven't seen TJD in too many mock drafts. That could change, as he looked pretty good once Xavier Johnson started playing well. It may depend on whether he's comfortable with his options as an undrafted free agent as well.
I think he could transfer anywhere if he decides to come back. I went to his twitter page and his announcement is unreadable. If someone else was responsible for putting that up, he needs to get rid of that person.Comment
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Race Thompson WILL return to IU next season.
I wonder if IU would be better off with Race back and TJD actually leaving...
Hear me out... Would not having TJD make IU less likely to get the ball inside to leave it there, versus kicking it back out quicker and in more of the flow of the offense?
And if so... would that improve the 3 point shooting and unclog the inside?
This is not to complain about TJD. He brings at lot to the table for IU, but it might be time for IU to work on establishing an outside identity for its DNA. And I don't think IU can/will do that as long as a player like TJD is there. He'll be the safety blanket, and he's also pretty used to being used this way so I don't see him changing his game even if he wanted to at this point.Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.
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Without TJD we would have been an absolutely abysmal team this year. It took a perfect game from him to beat a Wyoming team that honestly was not that good at all. So without him, we better be adding a lot of athletic players who can take it inside and kick it out to guys who can hit shots.
It’s not like the opportunities weren’t there. Like Joe has said, our offense produced a lot of open threes. We just couldn’t hit them. I think teams were letting us have open threes because we were so bad at them. Our team constantly had looks - they were just generally terrible at converting.
Watching the teams who go deep in the tournament showed just how far away IU is. UNC and Kansas look like NBA teams compared to IU. The teams who go far are filled with versatile athletic players who can drive it in and convert, or kick it out to guys who hit 3’s. IU doesn’t have those players. X could drive it in with Allen Iverson speed. The problem was when it came to get the ball in the basket. And the team shooting speaks for itself - awful.
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The only thing that will improve iu's 3 point shooting is getting better players who can hit it consistently. With phinisee leaving, that opens up a slot. Phin was a solid defender and ball handler but, was beyond horrible shooting from anywhere. I heard he lacked confidence in his shot. Best of luck to him regaining it wherever he ends up but, I'm ready to move on from him and most miller-era players as Archie had a knack for finding guards who can't shoot.
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