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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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  • Air Travel

    Hi all.
    I am looking into flying from Indy to Denver and back in late March (21,23). I have never flown before and I would like to ask opinions on a few things.

    I found a great deal on Southwest for a round trip ticket (with connecting flight in Kansas City) for $98 in their "Wanna Get Away" category. First, is Southwest a good airline? Would you recommend them? Also, does anyone know what the catch is for this really low price?

    Also, what are some things I should know about flying? I am not planning on taking a bag, just a carry on backpack (If I can) with my bare essentials, like laptop and phone stuff, a pair of extra clothes and small shower/bathroom stuff.

    Thank you in advance!
    Senior at the University of Louisville.
    Greenfield ---> The Ville

  • #2
    Re: Air Travel

    Southwest is a fine airline. They are more bare bones than some of the other airlines but for what you pay and what you get, they are pretty good. The "wanna get away" fares are just cheaper fares offered for a limited time, usually far in advance of the flight. If you know you're locked in to a certain date that you're flying, you'll be fine with that fare. If you need to change it, you'll pay a fee plus whatever the current rate of the ticket is to do that. Also, if you care about where you sit, get there EARLY! Or even better, check in online up to 24 hours before departure. The reason for this is that Southwest doesn't have assigned seating and they pack all of their flights. If you're in the C boarding group, you'll end up sitting in the middle seat by the bathroom. You want to be in the A boarding group if possible. Do you know if you'll be changing planes in KC? If you are, make sure you know the layout of the KC airport and how to get to the gate for your next flight to Denver. Usually it's not a problem, but some airports the gates are VERY far from each other and you only get so much time to get there. I've never flown into KC so I don't know the layout there. If you'll be flying the same plane to Denver, you don't even have to worry about it since you'll most likely stay on the plane, AND you'll get the added benefit of grabbing a prime seat when the folks going to KC get off. You should be fine with your carry on backpack. Just make sure you brush up on the rules for liquid containers. You can't even take a Pepsi through security with you.
    Last edited by travmil; 01-20-2013, 05:21 PM.


    • #3
      Re: Air Travel

      I would read the TSA guidelines for updated security checkpoint info. It can be kind of tricky and is always changing and sometimes depends on the actual security officer. Basic guidelines though are:

      NOTHING over 3 oz. can be brought through security which includes even bottled water. However you can buy water soda or whatever once you get through security at the terminal restaurants and bring that on the plane no problem.

      If you are taking your laptop be sure to take it out of your backpack and put it through the security scanner. You also have to take your belt coat and shoes off. Sometimes if you're wearing a hoodie they'll even make you take that off but enforcement of this rule is not always consistent.

      Make sure you have everything out of your pockets, yes that includes even receipts gum wrappers everything. These new body scanners they use can detect everything. I got the dreaded pat down once because I had piece of plastic from a candy wrapper in my jeans pocket. So if you don't like getting your junk touched by another dude make sure your pockets are bare.

      Try to get in one of the earlier boarding zone groups if you need to use overhead compartment space because people are dicks and will take up the space over your seat before you board otherwise.

      Southwest is a fine airline, all US airlines are basically the same in terms of safety (which is good) and the same in terms of customer service: customer service at all airlines is absolutely abysmal.

      The most important thing though is to check in early to make sure you get a seat. I have flown Southwest like once in my life but I think they have some sort of first come first serve seating thing. So make sure you get there early so you actually get a seat and look into the Southwest procedures. All airlines overbook their flights and exclude passengers that paid for the flight all the time. This has never happened to me because I always make sure to get my ticket early but I have seen a lot of pissed off people because of this happening to them in my time.

      I fly every couple of months, domestic and international so if there is anything you are unsure of I am happy to help.


      • #4
        Re: Air Travel

        Thank you both, I appreciate it
        Senior at the University of Louisville.
        Greenfield ---> The Ville


        • #5
          Re: Air Travel

          I fly Southwest a couple a times a year. One thing that stands out to me about them is they tend to be friendlier than the other airlines (Flight crews). I don't know if it's because they cater to so many vacation destinations or what, but I have always noticed a difference.

          I digress. Southwest has a thing now where you can check in 24 hours from when your flight leaves. Say you are scheduled to leave at 1:15 on 2/ 3. On 2/2, get yourself in front of a computer sometime around 1:15. Bring up a window with the atomic clock, so you have exact time. Bring up another window with Southwest. Go to the check-in page and enter your reservation number. Click to bring up your info. It'll then ask you if you want to check in. WAIT. Watch your atomic clock. When it hits the time of your flight, click the button to check in. It'll bring up a page with your info. Click the checkbox by your name, then click the box to get your pass. Try to do this quickly. It'll then give your your boarding group (A, B or C) and number in line. The lower the number the better. The closer to A, the better. Say you get in A group. They will call for the A passengers to line up by number. They'll have an area with numbers on it. Just stand by your number and wait to board. I personally like that Southwest doesn't have assigned seats. Allows me to move around if I'm seated next to someone coughing and sneezing their nose, or the ever-present screaming child.

          You can print your boarding pass when you check in 24 hours in advance, or wait and prinit out the pass when you get to the airport, using a Southwest Kiosk (Translation-company computer), or have an agent print it for you, if you want to stand in line. You boarding group and number was reserved the moment you checked in early, so don't sweat in if you don't have access to a printer when you pre-check in. Your spot is reserved.
          Hey! What're you kicking me for? You want me to ask? All right, I'll ask! Ma'am, where do the high school girls hang out in this town?


          • #6
            Re: Air Travel

            Some great advice here.

            Biggest thing I can stress is be "security ready"

            When I get ready to go through security I have my shoes ready to come off (I wear slippers or shoes I can easily slide off), I try not to wear a sweatshirt (I always laugh when the young ladies have to get patted down because they are wearing a sweatshirt and nothing underneath, luckily that doesn't hold up the line much, if even), have everything out of your pockets (including your wallet) and have your laptop out and ready to go into a separate bin.

            I used to get yelled at by some TSA agents for not having my boarding pass and license with me when I went through the metal detectors, but the last 9-12 months I just leave everything in my suitcase and literally go through with nothing at all

            I only flew SW once and was not a huge fan of them, but I also fly a lot of other airlines and for whatever reason we just got bad customer service that day. That and I hate the no assigned seating. Though to be honest I did not know a lot of the tricks I learned from reading this thread.

            Lastly, and IDK if you are interested, but I see a lot of airlines are offering the "1 day lounge" passes for like $50-100USD. I guess hoping to get people to buy the year long ones. I have never tried it, but I got two from last year and I think it says we can get access to free wi-fi, alcohol, snacks and maybe even some basic food (though I would have to check).

            Ditto to anyone and everyone who says get on earlier if for nothing else then overhead space. People are straight up ******** about that, and I will never understand why. Esp. when its young kids bringing on a skateboard and taking up half off the overhead bin space. Or the person who refuses to put their suitcase in normally and instead takes up triple the amount of space.
            Last edited by vapacersfan; 01-23-2013, 09:14 PM.


            • #7
              Re: Air Travel

              By "free lounge" I assume they mean like a business class or first class lounge. My job lets me to fly business class and while the lounge is cool, I wouldn't spend my own money to get access to it. One time I flew through Germany and went through the business class lounge and they had tons of great German free beer, yeah I took three or four and stashed them in my carry on


              • #8
                Re: Air Travel

                This is what was advertised to me. We were supposed to use ours on our honeymoon, but we are going to use it when we fly to Florida for our cruise for our 1 year anniversary



                • #9
                  Re: Air Travel

                  As idioteque all ready pointed out dress for the TSA checkpoint.

                  Do not bother wearing a belt, wear shoes you can slip off and on quickly, take your computer out of your bag and put it through the scanner, and move quickly.

                  I cannot reiterate try to get in first few zones for boarding if you are traveling DAL, or UAL. If you are flying SWA or other airlines that do not do zones make sure you are close to the front of the line. Air travelers are douches when it comes to overhead bins. Most of them take bags on that are way to big for a carry on or they will put their bag in the first bin they see even though their seat is in back of plane.

                  Overhead bins are my biggest pet peeve when flying because people are just a real pain in the butt and most airlines really do not enforce the size limits unless you are just completely blatant with what you bring on.

                  Check in early so you do not have to waste time standing line at the counter.


                  • #10
                    Re: Air Travel

                    Chances are your flight will be full. But if it is not (and you can ask at the counter) if you are on Southwest and have no assigned seat and no great need to get off the plane ASAP, go near the back.

                    At least that's my preference. reasoning: I have been on 75% full Southwest planes where the front half of the plane is solidly full, even middle seats, and I am chillin' near the back with an empty seat next to me because nobody wanted to wander back there and have to de-plane 5 minutes later than the first people, after flying for 4 hours. The reality is that if you have checked a bag, the first people off and the last people off the plane are waiting, together, at baggage claim for their bags to show up!
                    The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).


                    • #11
                      Re: Air Travel

                      Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                      Chances are your flight will be full. But if it is not (and you can ask at the counter) if you are on Southwest and have no assigned seat and no great need to get off the plane ASAP, go near the back.

                      At least that's my preference. reasoning: I have been on 75% full Southwest planes where the front half of the plane is solidly full, even middle seats, and I am chillin' near the back with an empty seat next to me because nobody wanted to wander back there and have to de-plane 5 minutes later than the first people, after flying for 4 hours. The reality is that if you have checked a bag, the first people off and the last people off the plane are waiting, together, at baggage claim for their bags to show up!
                      I have literally flown since the day I was born, and this is one of the things that cracks me up the most. I find it HYSTERICAL.

                      People will hop up when the captain turns off the seatbelt sign, and knowing damn well no one is going to deplane for 5-10 minutes everyone goes crazy and all the aisles are taken up. From about the age 10 up I sat still and just watched this happen. It is hilarious how nasty people will get, even cutting each other off, in a rush to go no where.

                      It is even funnier when people are nasty and in a rush and end up waiting at baggage claims.

                      Sometimes its the little things in life you just have to smile about....


                      • #12
                        Re: Air Travel

                        Ok, so I found a way cheaper round-trip ticket without any layovers through Frontier. Would you guys recommend them?
                        Senior at the University of Louisville.
                        Greenfield ---> The Ville


                        • #13
                          Re: Air Travel

                          Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
                          Some great advice here.

                          Biggest thing I can stress is be "security ready"

                          When I get ready to go through security I have my hoes ready to come off (I wear slippers or shoes I can easily slide off), I try not to wear a sweatshirt (I always laugh when the young ladies have to get patted down because they are wearing a sweatshirt and nothing underneath, luckily that doesn't hold up the line much, if even), have everything out of your pockets (including your wallet) and have your laptop out and ready to go into a separate bin.
                          How many hoes to you usually take on your flights? Does it get expensive buying them all tickets?


                          • #14
                            Re: Air Travel

                            Originally posted by Steagles View Post
                            Ok, so I found a way cheaper round-trip ticket without any layovers through Frontier. Would you guys recommend them?
                            Take the cheapest. Airlines are basically all the same. The last time I flew Frontier they had DirecTV at all the seats. That was nice.
                            "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

                            -Lance Stephenson


                            • #15
                              Re: Air Travel

                              Get to the Indianapolis Airport about 2 hours before your flight. This is way more time than you need at most major airports around the country. But for the past several years the Indianapolis Airport has been incredibly slow to get from parking to the gates. I've flown several times over the past 2 years and every time I've almost missed my flight by thinking I can arrive at the parking with only an hour or so before my flight like every other major airport. The Indy airport is just slow due to being understaffed....long wait for the parking buses, long wait to check your bags, long wait in security. They just do not staff for traveler efficiency there. It wasn't always that way, when it was first built it took me less than an hour. Just my experience though. I think they have seen a drop in passengers every year its been open.

                              I also agree about the early check in on Southwest. Get to your computer and check in as soon as you are allowed. Waiting even 30 minutes will knock you out of group A in many cases, and yes go to the back of the plane, you will stand a better chance of avoiding the stragglers taking that middle seat next to you.

                              Do not bother rushing through the security check point. You will feel this sense of urgency to get your shoes and stuff off at lightening speed. Just take your time and do it right. Grab atleast 3 bins to hold your belongings. One bin for your shoes and belt, and misc. pocket items, one bin for your shoulder bag, one bin for your lap top. Everyone is just really nasty in security and its just best to ignore others and take your time. If you do it wrong you risk being pulled aside for further screening. Its happened to me just based on having a bottle of water in one of the bins that I forgot to throw away.
                              You can't get champagne from a garden hose.