The Official I can't ****ing wait for The Dark Knight Thread

**Spicoli** · 07-18-2008, 02:08 PM

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If you're familiar at all with Chicago, you will definitely notice some landmarks. Especially stuff on Whacker Drive.

**Suaveness** · 07-18-2008, 02:31 PM

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There were definitely a lot of places I recognized. I'm definitely going to go see this again Monday/Tuesday. I can't wait. That was mezmorizing.

Spoiler:

The end of the movie had me on edge, with the two boats. I actually believed Joker when he said one of the two were going to blow each other up.

As far as Gordon "dying" I was shocked at first, but then I remembered that he had other lines in one of the trailers, so I figured he'd be back.

Also, boy oh boy is the Joker a douche. He purposly mistold Batman where each person was (Rachel, Harvey). That was just mean.

Harvey's face design was quite good. They've made it so that the Joker doesn't need to appear in the next movie, as well as Harvey. I'm surprised they had him die. I wonder who they'd use as a villian in the next movie. I gotta say, he was actually quite scary himself. The way they did the coin flipping was thrilling.

**Trader Joe** · 07-18-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by Suaveness

There were definitely a lot of places I recognized. I'm definitely going to go see this again Monday/Tuesday. I can't wait. That was mezmorizing.

Spoiler:

The end of the movie had me on edge, with the two boats. I actually believed Joker when he said one of the two were going to blow each other up.

As far as Gordon "dying" I was shocked at first, but then I remembered that he had other lines in one of the trailers, so I figured he'd be back.

Also, boy oh boy is the Joker a douche. He purposly mistold Batman where each person was (Rachel, Harvey). That was just mean.

Harvey's face design was quite good. They've made it so that the Joker doesn't need to appear in the next movie, as well as Harvey. I'm surprised they had him die. I wonder who they'd use as a villian in the next movie. I gotta say, he was actually quite scary himself. The way they did the coin flipping was thrilling.

Spoiler:

I believe they will recast the Joker. Which horrifies me, but if there is a director that can make the right decision on it, its Nolan. I doubted him when he cast Ledger in the first place, so I got put some faith in him. If they are going to recast the Joker, they should talk to Johnny Depp. Depp is an obsessive character actor and I believe he could match a lot of Ledger's ticks and such just by studying all the film that they have of Ledger in costume in TDK. Plus Depp is already helping to finish Ledger's actual final role in the Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus. So I think he could be a very good fit.

**Hicks** · 07-18-2008, 08:04 PM

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I saw a 3PM showing.

I was just left saying, "Wow."

As it turns out, I unfortunately knew way too many spoilers going in, which distracted me from enjoying the movie (too busy thinking about what SHOULD happen next based on what I knew, and not enough on what was happening in front of me). There's a LOT of stuff that if I didn't know about it going in, I would have left with my head in the clouds.

THANKFULLY, the very, very end wasn't spoiled for me, so I still had one great shock.

Spoiler:

Batman taking the fall for Harvey and become a "true" vigilante.

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The more I reflected on the movie the next hour after seeing it, the more impressed I became, and the more strongly I wanted to see it again.

I had an opportunity to turn right back around and see the 6PM showing, but opted out as I needed time to reflect, which ultimately I'm glad I did.

This is a great film.

Oh, and:

Spoiler:

Re-casting the Joker is a horrible, horrible, horrible idea.

**tora tora** · 07-18-2008, 08:18 PM

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Who would ever suggest such a thing? I mean after all, Heath Ledger was the most extraordinary actor that ever walked the face of the planet. The Joker can never be brought back because nobody else could possibly come close to matching Heath Ledger's absolute brilliant portrayal of him. They should stop making movies all together, as the genius that is Heath Ledger is no longer with us.

**Phildog** · 07-18-2008, 09:03 PM

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Just got back. Absolutely fantastic.

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If you really turn some of those options back on yourself and make a decision, you can really see why this is such a good movie. Forget all the action, great actors, it made you think

**Suaveness** · 07-18-2008, 09:08 PM

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I think what I loved a lot was the fact that the Joker made people make choices. That was the scariest part.

**Hicks** · 07-18-2008, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by tora tora

Spoiler:

Who would ever suggest such a thing? I mean after all, Heath Ledger was the most extraordinary actor that ever walked the face of the planet. The Joker can never be brought back because nobody else could possibly come close to matching Heath Ledger's absolute brilliant portrayal of him. They should stop making movies all together, as the genius that is Heath Ledger is no longer with us.

Who needs a hug?

**Aw Heck** · 07-18-2008, 10:54 PM

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I know it's really, really, really, early, but...

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I'm already thinking ahead to part 3. What villains do they go to next? It's awfully hard to top the Joker and Two-Face.

I don't think the Joker comes back for the third movie. He dominated the Dark Knight and while all of it was great, I think including him in 3 would be overkill. I don't think he would have nearly the same effect, especially since he would have to be recast. Recasting Rachel Dawes worked because she's frankly not that great of a character and because Katie Holmes was such a bad fit to begin with. Recasting the Joker would be a different story, to say the least.

I think they go with Catwoman as one of the villains. With Rachel dead, I think Selina Kyle qualifies a good rebound girl for Bruce. And since Batman is now considered more of a public enemy than a hero, I think the fact that Catwoman often toes the line between hero and villain herself makes her a great match. While they would conflict initially, I think both would end up teaming up near the end to defeat the other villain.

I have no idea who the other villain could be. My guess would be the Riddler. I could see him challenging Batman intellectually, forcing him to use his brain to solve situations instead of his brawn. Maybe throw in Killer Croc or Bane as more of a minor villain, but still a threat to be dealt with to challenge Batman physically.

**Suaveness** · 07-18-2008, 11:10 PM

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I definitely think you have to go with the Riddler. But the Riddler doesn't have to be TommyLee Jones like. It could certainly be a dark Riddles, a psychopath kinda like Scarecrow.

**duke dynamite** · 07-19-2008, 02:50 AM

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Wow.

Just wow.

Not going to bother commenting on it, too lazy to add in the spoiler.

Just loved it. I will be seeing it at least 2 more times.

**Trader Joe** · 07-19-2008, 02:57 AM

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What ends up being in the spoiler tags may be long, it may be rambling, or it might be short and sweet, but please stick with me to the end. I might make some sense.

Spoiler:

Here is my theory on recasting the Joker. If Ledger had not died, but had made the decision to not do the third movie there would be no question that you recast the Joker. So, I believe that the idea that recasting the Joker is a horrible idea is based simply off the fact that Ledger died. Ledger's performance is incredible and oscar worthy, regardless of the fact that he died, but I believe the idea that you should not recast the Joker is based off of the emotional reaction of his death.

I ask you this what is more of an insult to Heath Ledger, that someone else play the Joker OR that the absolute psycho maniac Joker he poured literally his life into has now been reduced to such a bumbling idiot that he can't even break out of prison? I think Ledger would say the second scenario is much more insulting to his memory, but thats just me and I can understand why some would say differently.

Plus few people thought Ledger would make an amazing Joker, Nolan was questioned up and down for doing that. However, it turned out to be a brilliant move, so Nolan deserves benefit of the doubt no matter what he does regarding the character.

Here's what I would do, for the third movie I would bring back the Scarecrow (remember, he's not dead or anything and could be easily brought back) and introduce the Riddler, in a darker, older form than the cartoon or Jim Carey versions. I would recast the Joker and ask the actor to go uncredited for the third film. Every scene I would film with the Joker in the third movie would be from behind as he sat in Arkham meeting with his psychiatrist, Harley Quinn. Over the course of the plot, I would kill the Scarecrow off, but allow the Riddler to survive. My final few minutes of the movie would be the Joker breaking out of Arkham with the aid of Harley and in these scenes you would finally see the Joker filmed from the front again. Allowing the audience to build up with it and be ok with it, by growing comfortable with hopefully a Joker that spoke the same as Ledger's.

Thus it would set up a fourth and final film, in which the Joker and the Riddler team up to fight Batman and wreak as much chaos as possible. Also in the fourth movie the actor playing the Joker would be credited.

A lot of that is far fetched, and I agree, but it makes some sense and in Nolan's hands could probably make even more sense.

You can't remove the Joker, not now. He's an agent of chaos, he's terrifying to simply sweep the character away by having him be in Arkham for the rest of this Batman story arc, is not only an insult to Ledger, but also to the Joker he created.

RE: Catwoman
Please no. She has never worked in film, not in the horrible Halle Berry film and not in the original Batman movie series. To be frank, female characters just don't work on the Batman big screen. Poison Ivy was awful, Batgirl was awful, Catwoman was awful. Rachel Dawes in this story arc was largely useless.

Also while we're throwing out random villains we'd like to see how about Deadshot? He is the anti-thesis of Batman.

**Hicks** · 07-19-2008, 07:51 AM

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I disagree with you, even if Heath were alive and said "no thanks", it still wouldn't make sense. Everything we needed to see from the Joker, we got already. It would be a bad idea to bring the character back regardless, even if Heath were here and WANTED to do more. If that were the case, I think they would have thrown him a bone and given him something similar to what C.Murphy got with his Scarecrow character, but nothing big at all.

All they need to do, if they just HAVE to wink in that direction, is use alternate take audio from Heath filmed of course for TDK, and splice it to have him saying/doing something in the shadows of a cell at Arkum.

As for part 3, I was thinking too about who the villian or villians could be to fit with where things are headed.

And while it feels like retread thanks to Batman Returns, I think Catwoman and Penguin might fit the bill, but it would be very different than how those two characters were realized in Returns.

Make Catwoman the morally ambiguous (to a degree) thief who can fight well enough to give Batman a challenge, and then make this Penguin (I'm not sure you could even use the name in the film without laughing the way I'm envisioning it) a wealthy aristocrat who can be a rival to both Batman and Bruce Wayne through finances, resources, and political pressure to take Batman down, and perhaps come up with something good that he would have him threatening Wayne Enterprises somehow.

I think villains like Crock are off the table for this trilogy. I don't think they want to go any more "out there" than they just did with the Joker and especially Two-Face.

**Unclebuck** · 07-19-2008, 08:42 AM

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I went to se it on IMAX yesterday and it blew me away - it is without a doubt worth the 12.50 to see it on IMAX. It was noticeable to me when the IMAX kicked in, not only did the picture get more vivid and much larger but most of the best scenes were in IMAX. My favorite scene - the part that strted in the underground part - was all in IMAX.

OK, if you can't or don't want to go to an IMAX, then please go see it at a digital theater. - Which to my knowlege is only available at Rave in Plainfeild, in Castlton and at the new IMAX Hamilton theater - digital is much better than regular - (then of course IMAX is much better than digital) I felt so spoiled now.

Let me say a few things about the movie itself - hate to do this, but I want to start with the only negative thing. I read one review that said something to the effect thatit seemed as though every scene was a climax scene. You might be saying well that was what made it incredible - I agree. But for my taste there wasn't enough bult up, enough susense, enough anticipation. (I often feel that way about most movies however, so maybe it is just me.

Having said that - I still loved it. Can't describe my favorite scenes without giving too much away. But any scene that the joker was in was was incredible. He stole every scene he was in, he stole the movie, and his acting was s good as I have ever seen - and there are a large number of great actors in this movie.

Go see it in IMAX, you won't regret it. Or at least see it on a digital screen that makes a big difference

**ilive4sports** · 07-19-2008, 11:55 AM

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Truly amazing, thats what this movie is. I saw it last night and was first in line for the 9 oclock showing mainly because me and my friends were too late for the 8 oclock showing and decided to stay at the theater with nothing better to do.

Seriously, I cant thing of one thing they could have improved in this movie. The action, the storyline(probably the best part of this movie), the acting, just WOW. I want to go see it again. I dont think there are any IMAX theaters here though which is unfortunate.

Spoiler:

I was shocked when Rachel was killed. I knew the Joker send Batman after Harvey cause its the Joker we are talking about here. I was waiting for the whole movie for Rachel to come back. Thats how surprised i was. But her death really adds to batmans character of being, for the lack of better words, the dark knight.

No way can you recast the Joker. While Johnny Depp might be good at it, but Heath took this role and set it on a level no one will ever be able to reach imo. I dont see the Joker being in the next batman atleast. Maybe the 4th one. There is going to be a 4th one right?

I did start thinking about the 3rd one too. It should be amazing like the last two. I dont see why it wont be. I think its going to be the Riddler. Just makes sense. I dont think catwoman would work either. I do agree with having someone like Bane to come in and challenge Batman physically if they go with the Riddler. I would like to see the Penguin because not only can he pressure Batman, but can pressure Bruce Wayne too like someone previously said.

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