The Official I can't ****ing wait for The Dark Knight Thread

**Bball** · 07-22-2008, 11:14 AM

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Bale: I'm Batman

Mom: I don't care who you are, you wash behind those bat ears of your's before you leave this apartment!

Bale: I'm Batman

Mom: Don't you take that tone with me... I diapered your little bat butt!!!

Bale: Mom!!!! .... I'm Batman.... Dammit.... I'm Batman

Sister: So???? Iron Man is better!

Bale: Is not!

Sister: Is too!

Bale: Not!

Sister: Is!

Mom: Stop it!!!!!

Bale: I'm Batman

Mom: I said STOP! Quiet!

Sister: Yeah, you overgrown flying mouse!

Bale: I'm Batman

Mom: That's it.... In the corner!

Bale: I'll just see what Lucius has for me in my bat belt and you'll both be sorry!

Mom: What have you got? Oh! Run for the door.... He's losing it!!!! Call the police!!!

Bale: I'm Batman

**Since86** · 07-22-2008, 03:25 PM

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Saw it last night, really really good, not great.

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As far as the Dent convo, I realize it's a different type of fall between Batman and Two Face, but both fell. Batman gets up, obviously hurting but actually runs away. It's not that far of a stretch at all to come ot the conclusion he's not dead. I agree with Indy in saying that the Joker was proven right the second Two Face shot and killed the first officer. Dent is dead, he is no more. Two Face was born in the hospital, the Joker pushed him mentally over the edge and created the complete different persona.

I believe all three villians can be brought back, at any time.

As far as not making another film, that's out of the question. Even if a third is made and it completely tanks, the first two completely stand on their own. It wouldn't take anything away from them, IMHO anyways. They are too good and leaving so much more to be desired that you atleast have to start drawing it up.

I didn't read the comic books, but was always a fan of the movies and cartoons when I was younger. Gordon was always the commish throughout, and he just now got the title. That reason alone, I think, makes it pretty obvious more are in the works.

**Trader Joe** · 07-22-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by Since86

Saw it last night, really really good, not great.

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As far as the Dent convo, I realize it's a different type of fall between Batman and Two Face, but both fell. Batman gets up, obviously hurting but actually runs away. It's not that far of a stretch at all to come ot the conclusion he's not dead. I agree with Indy in saying that the Joker was proven right the second Two Face shot and killed the first officer. Dent is dead, he is no more. Two Face was born in the hospital, the Joker pushed him mentally over the edge and created the complete different persona.

I believe all three villians can be brought back, at any time.

As far as not making another film, that's out of the question. Even if a third is made and it completely tanks, the first two completely stand on their own. It wouldn't take anything away from them, IMHO anyways. They are too good and leaving so much more to be desired that you atleast have to start drawing it up.

I didn't read the comic books, but was always a fan of the movies and cartoons when I was younger. Gordon was always the commish throughout, and he just now got the title. That reason alone, I think, makes it pretty obvious more are in the works.

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Well in the cartoon Batman I grew up with in the 90's Two-Face was an even more in depth character than what was explored in TDK. They really barely scratched the surface of Two-Face's psyche. If you remember in the cartoons at times his Harvey Dent personality would break through when he was talking with Batman. I'd like to see some of that in a third movie if he is brought back.

**Since86** · 07-22-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by Indy

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Well in the cartoon Batman I grew up with in the 90's Two-Face was an even more in depth character than what was explored in TDK. They really barely scratched the surface of Two-Face's psyche. If you remember in the cartoons at times his Harvey Dent personality would break through when he was talking with Batman. I'd like to see some of that in a third movie if he is brought back.

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Very true. I think Eckhart is very capable of being that deep of an actor to carry the role. I thought he was very good in Meet Bill, he made a character transformation, obviously not as deep, in that role and pulled it off.

The best thing about this series so far has been the character developments, Batman, Dent/Two Face, Gordon, and even Fox/Alfred to a certain extent. I just think too much time, too much background, and too much meaning went into Dent for him to transform into Two Face for all of 30mins.

I also thought there were two specific things that set Ledger's Joker from being very good to great was his mouth tendancies and his laugh. It really reminded me a lot of Dustin Hoffman's character in Rain Man. I don't mean the actual characters but how they played the roles. The littlest things like Heath wetting his lips like that in such timed places just completely sold it. I thought the pauses in his speech when he would do it were perfect. It could have been corny. I had a hard time even picturing Heath under that makeup. No wonder why he was in the mental state that he was. I really hope he wins awards for that role, because embodied that role.

**avoidingtheclowns** · 07-22-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by Since86

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I also thought there were two specific things that set Ledger's Joker from being very good to great was his mouth tendancies and his laugh. It really reminded me a lot of Dustin Hoffman's character in Rain Man. I don't mean the actual characters but how they played the roles. The littlest things like Heath wetting his lips like that in such timed places just completely sold it. I thought the pauses in his speech when he would do it were perfect. It could have been corny. I had a hard time even picturing Heath under that makeup. No wonder why he was in the mental state that he was. I really hope he wins awards for that role, because embodied that role.

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all of ledger's scenes in the interrogation room are brilliant. one moment that stands out is when the cop is standing against the door and tells him that he has killed six of his fellow officers. the scene where he made the pencil disappear was also amazing.

**Trader Joe** · 07-22-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by avoidingtheclowns

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all of ledger's scenes in the interrogation room are brilliant. one moment that stands out is when the cop is standing against the door and tells him that he has killed six of his fellow officers. the scene where he made the pencil disappear was also amazing.

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The interrogation room and the lines of dialogue immediately following the magic trick might be my two favorite scenes in the movie. I'll know for sure after I see it again tonight.
What really made Ledger's performance awesome for me was like Since said the little things he did to sell the role. Which IMO was a product of his dedication to the part. His eye movements are some of the most expressive I've seen, and his pauses in between lines are also incredibly timed.
The laugh is the very first thing about Ledger's Joker that stood out to me when previews arrived. If you go back and watch the original Batman in 1989, it seems more like the Joker as Jack Nicholson. In other words, no matter what they did to change his appearance because of the way he acts that Joker seemed like every other character Jack Nicholson has ever played. Which still makes him mentally unbalanced, but not really unique in anyway and Nicholson's Joker's laugh perfectly illustrates that, it just sounds like Nicholson laughing.
Ledger on the other hand IS the Joker he fully engrosses himself in the role and his laugh embodies what the Joker is supposed to be. Absolutely insane and terrifying.

**rexnom** · 07-22-2008, 10:42 PM

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Gary Oldman's performance goes unnoticed once again...sigh.

**Trader Joe** · 07-22-2008, 10:48 PM

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Oldman was quietly fantastic just like he was in Begins.

**Bball** · 07-22-2008, 11:10 PM

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I agree with Indy's positive take on Ledger's Joker. I thought the same thing about the way he used his eyes and mouth and developed the pauses in his speech pattern. Small things that make a big difference if properly done (as they were here IMO).

One of the things I worried about going into the theater was constantly watching the movie and thinking "That's Heath Ledger... and he's dead now". IOW, not being able to separate the character from the actor. That just wasn't a problem. This wasn't so much Heath Ledger playing the Joker as it was just The Joker.

Meanwhile, the comments about Nicholson's Joker are spot on. It was always Jack Nicholson playing the joker. Every scene you knew how the Joker would react because it was Jack Nicholson and we've all seen Jack Nicholson before. Jack Nicholson plays Jack Nicholson first... and then the character.

Ledger became somebody else for this role and allowed himself to get lost in it. ....IMHO.

And Oldman was quietly fantastic and really gives the franchise a moral center.

-Bball

**Moses** · 07-23-2008, 12:12 AM

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Assuming the series continues, who do you guys think will be the villain in the next Batman? I am hoping that they introduce the Riddler myself. They will probably bring two-face back in the next one, but the big question is on what they will do with The Joker. Anyone think it is possible they could reconstruct Ledger's Joker via CGI? If not, I think they should recast him..but only with someone who can make Joker as brilliant as Ledger did. I think Depp would be an excellent Joker, as many of you have already pointed out.

**Shade** · 07-23-2008, 12:18 AM

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I want Bane. He provides something the first two films haven't; someone who wants to take over Gotham City. Ra's Al Ghul wanted to create a new golden age, and the Joker just wanted to create chaos. Bane wants to rule and has the brains and brawn to make it happen.

**Natston** · 07-23-2008, 12:42 AM

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I wouldn't mind seeing Harley Quinn, as an extension of the Joker...

I want Two-Face back though.

**Shade** · 07-23-2008, 12:53 AM

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Harley Quinn would be cool, but not as the primary villain.

**Bball** · 07-23-2008, 02:50 AM

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Originally posted by Moses

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Assuming the series continues, who do you guys think will be the villain in the next Batman? I am hoping that they introduce the Riddler myself. They will probably bring two-face back in the next one, but the big question is on what they will do with The Joker. Anyone think it is possible they could reconstruct Ledger's Joker via CGI? If not, I think they should recast him..but only with someone who can make Joker as brilliant as Ledger did. I think Depp would be an excellent Joker, as many of you have already pointed out.

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If I was making more Batman movie(s) and felt I needed the Joker at some point I would have to give some thought to the idea of a second Joker. A copycat... a brother.... something. I'm not sure how you have another actor take the role and not risk turning it into a parody of Ledger's Joker. At least that way you could allow a new actor to reinterpret the role and not try to parrot Ledger. Ledger pretty much had a clean slate to work with. A new actor wouldn't have that same clean slate unless he wasn't the same Joker. I realize it wouldn't stick with the Batman universe but then technically you could leave it ambiguous... depending on how big of a role the Joker had in the film. There's plenty problems with that approach as well but I'd have to think about it. Ultimately, if it was me I probably just don't do another Batman with the Joker.

Has anyone watched a 2nd viewing yet to see if 2 Face is shown breathing as he's on the ground?

The more I think about it, the more I think Nolan wouldn't have killed off a major criminal from the Batman universe that quickly.
A. I swear I saw breathing
B. Batman doesn't kill yet he would be responsible for 2 Face's death
C. I can't believe Nolan would create and end 2 Face in the series this quickly.
D. I don't think it would change any of the moral conundrums of the movie to have Dent in essence 'die' but Two Face live.

**Suaveness** · 07-23-2008, 01:48 PM

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I was looking for it the 2nd time I saw it, and I didn't see anything. But who knows. Eckhart said he wouldn't mind being in the 3rd movie (IMDB). I don't if that means he's alive or if it's just a wish.

I do think the Riddler would work. If you turn him into something sadistic or dark, it would work ok. Something that has his riddles turning out to be crazy and destructive.

Bane would work too, but the problem is that most people (moviegoers) don't know who he is. People may not have known Ra's, but at least they knew Scarecrow. If they put in Two-Face and Bane, it might work. Or Two-Face and Riddler.

I wouldn't use Quinn. She doesn't really feel appropriate. Especially with Joker gone.

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