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The Rules of Pacers Digest
Hello everyone,
Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.
A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.
Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.
Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.
Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and
/ laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"
"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good?"
In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.
Rule #2
If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.
The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.
The right places to do so are:
A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.
B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.
If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.
Rule #3
If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.
When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:
A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.
B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.
To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!
Rule #4
Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.
Rule #5
When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.
An example:
If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star
Rule #6
We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.
The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.
Rule #7
Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.
It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.
Rule #8
We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.
Rule #9
Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.
Rule #10
We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.
Rule #11
Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.
A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.
Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.
Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.
Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and
/ laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*""Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good?
"In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.
Rule #2
If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.
The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.
The right places to do so are:
A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.
B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.
If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.
Rule #3
If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.
When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:
A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.
B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.
To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!
Rule #4
Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.
Rule #5
When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.
An example:
If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star
Rule #6
We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.
The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.
Rule #7
Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.
It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.
Rule #8
We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.
Rule #9
Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.
Rule #10
We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.
Rule #11
Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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US Capitol Police officer dies from injury sustained during riot
https://www.wlns.com/top-stories/us-...d-during-riot/Comment
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I started a post five times last night - some trying to be witty and others telling folks to move to another country if they want to riot and try to overthrow government (yes, that’s what happened two nights ago) (PS there are lots of other countries with crazy *** dictators who would welcome you) and at the end of the day none of them felt right. Frankly when I came home last night I was shocked I had not been banned. I will say my post wasn't my finest moment but I stand by everything I said.
Five years ago I sat in a bunker for hours while posted overseas and listened to missiles impact around me. I do not post about my service often because I don't think it matters or makes me special. Call me naive but I gave up two years of my freedom (as did my family) to serve and I truly believe I made a difference. I took that tour knowing I could die. Its one thing to say “I would die for my country” but I am a firm believer talk is cheap. With that said I truly felt like I was doing the right thing. I still do. Call me crazy but I had a sense of peace knowing I was serving my country so others could sleep at night. BTW, I could rant for hours about this topic but I really don't think I did anything special. My brothers who are in the military, and especially those who didn’t come home with me, they are the real
heroes. I still have friends who serve and go out every night so I/we can sleep peacefully at night. Mother rockstars.
The people two nights ago - those TERRORISTS - they call themselves patriots and that frankly cheapens everything that myself and my colleagues were willing to die for while deployed.
If you think what you saw two nights ago was right: you are not a patriot. You are the problem.
If you wish you were there two nights ago: you are not a patriot. You are the problem.
If you are not saddened and ashamed by what the world saw yesterday: you are not a patriot. You are the problem
While this may seem brash if you still support “your guy” after what happened two nights ago and especially if you enjoy watching our capitol burn then you are part of the problem and if you think you are not then you need to turn off Fox News, OAN, and talk radio. For the record this was NOT some peaceful protest. Officers have now lost their lives from what happened. From folks who claim to “back the blue”. There are stories coming out of attempts to take hostages. Time will tell if those stories are accurate.
Lastly I am taking a break but not because I don’t care to engage. After what happened two nights ago all officers serving overseas have been put on high alert. Host governments are telling us to be cautious and to keep our head on a swivel. The last couple of times this messaging has come out it has been because of terrorist attacks by foreign enemies. Let that sink in: that messaging is coming out from a attack from INSIDE OUR COUNTRY by folks who did this while the President of the United States sat by and did nothing. Hell, I question if he enjoyed it.
My best friend, who is about as conservative as they come, sent me a WhatsApp before I finally fell asleep. He was worried about my safety. I vented a bit. His reply “This is embarrassing. Anyone who enjoys this is part of the problem. Also, POTUS should step down tonight but we both know that wont happen”.
God bless these United StatesLast edited by vapacersfan; 01-08-2021, 08:08 AM.Comment
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Feel free to call me out by name; I stand by what I said. Of course if you are going to call me out make sure you get your facts straight (I did not imply, BTW, I 100% said it outright)Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
I think everyone involved in this coup attempt should be arrested and if we find out this was a plot to overthrow the government all should be executed. If you support a coup of the United States then I say you can be executed right with them. Again I dont care if that gets me banned.Comment
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Wow. If true this says six republican lawmakers were part of the crowd (I think one even posted a video of him with rioters entering the capitol)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1784170.htmlComment
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Buried in @peterbakernyt and @maggieNYT write up: the WH Chief of Staff couldn't reach the President! "Unable to get through to him, Mark Meadows, his chief of staff, sought help from Ivanka Trump."
Capitol Attack Leads Democrats to Demand That Trump Leave Office
The White House was propelled deeper into crisis as officials resigned in protest and prominent Republicans broke with the president after he incited a mob that assaulted Congress.
nytimes.com
3:52 AM ? Jan 8, 2021
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Um, I'm not sure why you quoted my message. If you thought that was intended for you it wasn't. In general I guess yes it was because I am addressing everyone with that but nothing I saw from what you typed came close to crossing the imaginary line of personal insults.Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
I started a post five times last night - some trying to be witty and others telling folks to move to another country if they want to riot and try to overthrow government (yes, that’s what happened two nights ago) (PS there are lots of other countries with crazy *** dictators who would welcome you) and at the end of the day none of them felt right. Frankly when I came home last night I was shocked I had not been banned. I will say my post wasn't my finest moment but I stand by everything I said.
Five years ago I sat in a bunker for hours while posted overseas and listened to missiles impact around me. I do not post about my service often because I don't think it matters or makes me special. Call me naive but I gave up two years of my freedom (as did my family) to serve and I truly believe I made a difference. I took that tour knowing I could die. Its one thing to say “I would die for my country” but I am a firm believer talk is cheap. With that said I truly felt like I was doing the right thing. I still do. Call me crazy but I had a sense of peace knowing I was serving my country so others could sleep at night. BTW, I could rant for hours about this topic but I really don't think I did anything special. My brothers who are in the military, and especially those who didn’t come home with me, they are the real heroes. I still have friends who serve and go out every night so I/we can sleep peacefully at night. Mother rockstars.
The people two nights ago - those TERRORISTS - they call themselves patriots and that frankly cheapens everything that myself and my colleagues were willing to die for while deployed.
If you think what you saw two nights ago was right: you are not a patriot. You are the problem.
If you wish you were there two nights ago: you are not a patriot. You are the problem.
If you are not saddened and ashamed by what the world saw yesterday: you are not a patriot. You are the problem
While this may seem brash if you still support “your guy” after what happened two nights ago and especially if you enjoy watching our capitol burn then you are part of the problem and if you think you are not then you need to turn off Fox News, OAN, and talk radio. For the record this was NOT some peaceful protest. Officers have now lost their lives from what happened. From folks who claim to “back the blue”. There are stories coming out of attempts to take hostages. Time will tell if those stories are accurate.
Lastly I am taking a break but not because I don’t care to engage. After what happened two nights ago all officers serving overseas have been put on high alert. Host governments are telling us to be cautious and to keep our head on a swivel. The last couple of times this messaging has come out it has been because of terrorist attacks by foreign enemies. Let that sink in: that messaging is coming out from a attack from INSIDE OUR COUNTRY by folks who did this while the President of the United States sat by and did nothing. Hell, I question if he enjoyed it.
My best friend, who is about as conservative as they come, sent me a WhatsApp before I finally fell asleep. He was worried about my safety. I vented a bit. His reply “This is embarrassing. Anyone who enjoys this is part of the problem. Also, POTUS should step down tonight but we both know that wont happen”.
God bless these United States
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You forget about storming the federal court house in Seattle. Oh and CHAZ was fine too. Even after weeks you were fine with that.Originally posted by Taterhead View PostComment
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You conditioned it on IF we find out they were intending to overthrow the US government. OK you said you would if. I agree that was not implying.Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
Yet none of the supposed anarchists trying to take over the country shot anyone. Not sure why you would even say that when we knew this was just about a bunch of worked up idiots. Did they even set fire or throw a fire bomb? I don’t even think they had a fire cracker. It would be the first time that a country has been overthrown without the people firing a shot. And the entire thing was over in a few hours. Other than the building being the US capital what actually happened was not a big deal and far less than what we have seen throughout the country. I do agree it was started by Donald Trump which is the big deal.
and nobody is talking about the biggest deal of all. This shows how easy it was to overrun the US Capitol. Guns weren’t even used. But is anyone talking about that? No most people are focused on stupid stuff and stupid people who started it.Comment
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I have heard lots and lots of stories about multiple pipe bombs. I would argue that is more dangerous than a fire cracker.Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
The event was over in a few hours because police from all of the DC metro area were called in as well as the national guard. This could have spiraled way worse if it wasnt addressed as quickly as it was (although it wasn't addressed quickly enough IMO)
I promise you this is being talked about. Perhaps not on social media but it is being addressed. And yes, its scary.and nobody is talking about the biggest deal of all. This shows how easy it was to overrun the US Capitol. Guns weren’t even used. But is anyone talking about that? No most people are focused on stupid stuff and stupid people who started it.Comment
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I sent you a PM but for clarity I did not mean to quote you. I “liked” your post and somehow I also quoted it and I was typing out my post.Originally posted by Peck View Post
Apologies for any confusion (and if it looked like I was being a smart) - that truly wasn't my intent.
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I think abortion-gun rights is a perfect analogy. You argue that having guns is critical to saving lives and the same thing could be said about abortion when it saves a woman’s life.Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
If we boil down gun rights in the same way you’re oversimplifying abortion, it’s easy to say that the entire purpose of guns is to kill. After all, that’s quite literally why they were invented.
You sitting here arguing that gun rights is more complex than that while refusing to acknowledge the potentially life-saving effects of abortion for an individual is exactly what I was talking about in my initial post. This is why the two sides are so far apart.I think KP is a Captain Planet fan. He believes that the collective will of five decent starters can outweigh the power of top-level talent. Too bad Herb won't cut the check for their Planeteer rings.Comment
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People are not having abortions on a daily basis to save the life of the mother. Yes it happens. Lightening strikes as well.Originally posted by indyman37 View Post
People are owning and using guns every single day to protect their home and property...for sport...for hunting. People in the cities where most people are shot just need to learn to behave.
Try again.
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In reality, those idiots who stormed the capitol were not taking over the government. They were disrupting and they may have damaged property. It was embarrassing to our country that a sitting president would gin up a crowd enough to the point they all marched to the capitol and a very small percentage actually decided to do something very stupid.Originally posted by vapacersfan View Post
But don't make the actions of a few to be the focus. The focus is that Donald Trump got them worked up and like you say the fact the capitol could be so easily overrun by a mob of people with no plan, no shooting and nothing but a Trump flag can overrun the capitol.
My point is, don't lose sight on the issues. This wasn't an attempt to overthrow the government. It was a bunch of Trump supporters and some people who decided to take things way too far. They may have even been intoxicated. So blame Trump for it. I would support that. But it was just a rally that got out of hand because a small percentage of people were idiots.Comment
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