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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

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  • Bucs WR Mike Williams stabbed in thigh by brother

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...gh-by-brother/



    Bucs wideout Mike Williams stabbed in thigh by brother

    Buccaneers coach Lovie Smith was already disturbed about the pattern of behavior by wide receiver Mike Williams.

    Now he has to worry about Williams’ health.

    According to Bobby Lewis of WTSP, Williams remains in St. Joseph’s Hospital in Tampa after being stabbed in the thigh by his brother.

    A spokeswoman from the Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office said Williams was stabbed in the at his home on Sunday afternoon. Police are still looking for the brother in question.

    There hasn’t been any comment from the Buccaneers at the moment, as they continue to gather information.

    Another incident might not sit well with them a year after he signed a $40 million contract, but they now have to be concerned about his physical condition.

    UPDATE 8:48 p.m. ET: Right on cue, the Bucs issued the statement that doesn’t really say anything:

    “We are aware of the situation that occurred at the residence of Mike Williams and are working with him and the authorities to get additional information. While we have limited knowledge at this time, our primary concern is for the safety and well bring of all involved. We will refrain from further comment until we can get a better understanding of the situation.

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    Re: Bucs WR Mike Williams stabbed in thigh by brother

    Can't wait for the Bob Costas rant on knife violence.
    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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      Re: Bucs WR Mike Williams stabbed in thigh by brother

      At least it wasn't right before the freakin conference championship game like what happened to Nick Harper. I still weep uncontrollably when I think about that game. All those Steelers fans blowing so Vanderjact would miss that kick wide.

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        Re: Bucs WR Mike Williams stabbed in thigh by brother

        Originally posted by Since86 View Post
        Can't wait for the Bob Costas rant on knife violence.
        weak take.

        if it was a gun, he'd likely be dead.

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          Re: Bucs WR Mike Williams stabbed in thigh by brother

          Originally posted by dal9 View Post
          weak take.

          if it was a gun, he'd likely be dead.
          He'd likely be alive and all so close to being called "Cheddar Bob"...






          Or Plaxico Burress...
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            Re: Bucs WR Mike Williams stabbed in thigh by brother

            Originally posted by dal9 View Post
            weak take.

            if it was a gun, he'd likely be dead.
            Yeah, while Costas rants about why football players shouldn't have guns, Sean Taylor waves.
            Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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              Re: Bucs WR Mike Williams stabbed in thigh by brother

              http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...abbing-charge/

              Mike Williams’s brother turns himself in on stabbing charge


              Eric Baylor, the brother of Buccaneers wide receiver Mike Williams, has surrendered to police on a charge that he stabbed Williams.

              Williams was stabbed at 5 p.m. on Sunday, and when officers arrived in response to a 911 call, Baylor had fled. Baylor surrendered at 10 p.m. on Monday.

              The Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office is skeptical of the brothers’ story, which is that they were just messing around and the stabbing was accidental.

              “His account is that they were horsing around in the kitchen and he fell on the knife that his brother was holding,” said Cristal Bermudez Nunez, a spokesperson for the sheriff’s office, told FOX 13 in Tampa Bay. “Based on what Michael Williams says happened, and where it occurred in the home, that doesn’t match up with the evidence we found at the scene.”

              Other witnesses said Baylor stabbed Williams intentionally after an argument.

              “They explained that . . . Williams and Baylor were arguing and that is what led up to the stabbing,” Bermudez Nunez said.

              Baylor is charged with aggravated battery and domestic violence.

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                Re: Bucs WR Mike Williams stabbed in thigh by brother

                http://www.tampabay.com/sports/footb...tabbed/2171953

                Witnesses describe how Bucs' Mike Williams was stabbed


                TAMPA — Just minutes earlier, Clermon Vaughn had shaken the hand of Bucs receiver Mike Williams, who smiled and thanked him and his cousin for cleaning the carpets in Williams' Avila home on Sunday afternoon.


                "Next thing I know," Vaughn said, Williams and his younger brother, Eric Baylor, were arguing loudly in the foyer, then physically fighting. Then he thought Baylor had punched Williams, until he saw the small knife — "a paring knife, maybe three-four inches from the handle, like you'd cut an apple with," he would recall — fall out of Baylor's hand and onto the floor.

                "It went in him pretty good, I believe, from the amount of blood that was shooting everywhere," said Vaughn, who said Williams yelled to him to "call the ambulance and call the police."

                Williams, 26, was rushed outside the home, and a friend who had been hanging out at the house took off his belt to apply a makeshift tourniquet to Williams' left leg. The knife had punctured him in the thigh, just above the knee. Vaughn ran to his truck for a first-aid kit and towels to apply pressure.

                "We pressed down hard on it until the ambulance got there," said Vaughn, 39, who had never encountered such an emergency in 14 years of cleaning carpets.

                • • •

                William Carter, also 39 and cleaning the carpets with Vaughn, guesses it was 10, at most 15 minutes from when Williams arrived home, smiling, and when things got violent with his brother. Others in the house, at least a half-dozen, had been watching college basketball downstairs — it would have been during the second half of the University of Kentucky's upset of Wichita State University.

                "They were arguing. Mike was mad, and they got into it," said Carter, who said Baylor had damaged a Bentley automobile that belonged to Williams, the back window knocked out. "Mike wasn't the aggressor, but I guess he was a little upset about that and he told him to get out."

                Vaughn said the argument had escalated quickly. "He didn't come in the house upset," he said. "The mood wasn't that something was about to happen."

                "There was hollering," he said. "For a long time, they were talking back and forth to each other. Next thing I know, I see the man's hand come out and stab him in the leg."

                Police arrived quickly, and asked everyone from the house to go across the street, treating the house as a crime scene. Baylor, 23, was with the carpet cleaners when they went across the street. "He went walking down the street and left," Vaughn said. Baylor turned himself into police 29 hours later on a warrant and is facing a felony charge of aggravated battery/domestic violence.

                Vaughn said in the moments after the stabbing and before police arrived, Baylor was on the phone, looking nervous, panicked and remorseful.

                "Just pacing back and forth, like he didn't want to do what he did," Vaughn said. "The look in his face was a panic (like): I can't believe I just did this to my brother."

                • • •

                The noise from the argument in the foyer, then the sudden panic around Williams was frightening enough that Lana Sutmaier, a 61-year-old maid cleaning in the back of Williams' home, didn't want to go any closer.

                "All I heard was a lot of yelling, screaming at each other," Sutmaier said. "I thought 'Whoa. Something's going on, but I'm not going out there to check.' They were screaming and swearing, a lot of swearing, yelling real loud. I could hear it over the carpet cleaners."

                Sutmaier remained in the back of the house until police found her as they swept the house. She was still frustrated two days later and unsure why Williams would allow such a commotion into his gated community.

                "I wonder why he's letting these people come into Avila. He has to allow them to come through the gate," she said. "I think he's just not expecting them to cause trouble. I don't think he's thinking about that. He's assuming people will be respectful."

                Williams had told police that the stabbing was "accidental," but Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office investigators confirmed Tuesday that their findings — from interviewing witnesses and taking evidence from the home — were that the two were "in a physical altercation" and that Baylor "obtained a knife and intentionally stabbed" his brother.

                Baylor was released on $1,000 bail Tuesday evening from Orient Road Jail. He was ordered not to have contact with Williams, nor with the witnesses to the stabbing.

                Those witnesses — friends, carpet cleaners, the maid and a limo driver who had pulled up moments earlier — were held by police for as much as five hours, sitting outside on the lawn while each was interviewed. For much of that time, witnesses didn't know if Williams was okay.

                "The sheriff started asking if he had any family in the area," Sutmaier said. "Oh, my god, when they started asking for family, you get nervous, not knowing how serious the injury really was."

                Carter said he and Vaughn were never compensated and lost other scheduled jobs while they were detained. "It was kind of surprising, for this to happen when you're cleaning carpets," he said.

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                  Re: Bucs WR Mike Williams stabbed in thigh by brother

                  Originally posted by dal9 View Post
                  weak take.

                  if it was a gun, he'd likely be dead.
                  Offended? Get over it. Slippery slope? Yep.

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