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  • #76
    Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/96...neck-surgeries

    Archie talks Peyton surgery, return

    The day after his son tied an NFL record with seven touchdown passes in the Denver Broncos' 49-27 season-opening victory against the Baltimore Ravens, Archie Manning said he was concerned Peyton Manning never would play again after his series of neck surgeries, adding that his throws in the early days of rehab were limited to "a 10-yard lob."

    “
    Over a year's time there ... one surgery after the other, as his parents, Olivia and I, we kind of quit thinking about football. We were just worried about Peyton's health and getting this thing straightened out.
    ”
    -- Archie Manning on son, Peyton
    In a taped interview to be aired on ESPN Radio's "The Ian O'Connor Show" on Sunday morning, Archie conceded his 37-year-old son doesn't have the same arm strength he had in his prime but that he does appear stronger than he did last year.

    The neck injury cost Peyton the entire 2011 season in Indianapolis and, ultimately, his job with the Colts.

    "Certainly there was a time there we were concerned if he would play at all," Archie said. "And I think the big thing, we're all elated and happy for Peyton because he wanted to play some more and the doctors cleared him.

    "But I guess what I didn't know about is having to leave Indianapolis and kind of that comfort and all those years and starting over again. To me, that was kind of the hard part, and also dealing, as he's stated, he's not as strong. His arm's not as strong [after] all the surgeries, and getting older. So we didn't really know what to expect."

    In 2012, after missing the previous season following fusion surgery to repair a damaged nerve, Manning led the Broncos to a 13-3 record and threw for 4,659 yards and 37 touchdowns against 11 interceptions. On Thursday night, Manning shredded the Ravens for 462 yards in becoming the sixth quarterback in league history, and the first in 44 years, to throw seven scoring passes in a game.

    "I told him that when he came back, I said, 'Don't forget now, last year a 36-year-old quarterback is not going to throw it like a 26,'" said Archie, former quarterback of the New Orleans Saints. "And I guess there's exceptions there. But he doesn't have the arm strength that he had four and five years ago when he was playing for the Colts.

    Seifert: Manning does his homework
    Fresh off throwing seven TD passes, Peyton Manning was ready with a reference to Joe Kapp, the last QB to accomplish the feat, Kevin Seifert writes. Story

    "But I only saw him throw up close and in person one time this summer at our football camp, and I thought his arm was definitely a little stronger than it was last summer when he threw at our camp. ... I don't think he expects to get back to where he was, but not many 37-year-olds throw it like they do when they're 27."

    Peyton's multiple surgeries left his father and mother more concerned about their son's quality of life than the possible end of his NFL career.

    "Over a year's time there ... one surgery after the other, as his parents, Olivia and I, we kind of quit thinking about football," Archie said. "We were just worried about Peyton's health and getting this thing straightened out.

    "He finally had the fusion; they said it worked. Four different doctors cleared him to go back and play. ... They said he can go play. We didn't know how he could play at that position. I remember when he first started throwing, I mean, it was a 10-yard lob and you just don't know. And you wonder, 'Gosh, can he get back where he can throw in an NFL football game?'

    "So I think Peyton feels blessed and fortunate. ... I don't think he takes any practice or any game or any time for granted. He loves to play the game, and he feels really grateful that he's getting to play some more."

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    • #77
      Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

      Well it may sounded OTT when Welker said it but the comparison (" It's like comparing Picasso and Michelangelo ") he made describing the transition from Brady to Manning was spot on.
      Never forget

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      • #78
        Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

        How would you guys rank Manning against other QBs right now?

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        • #79
          Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

          Originally posted by RebelMike09 View Post
          How would you guys rank Manning against other QBs right now?
          I think there is a class of quarterbacks who are all pretty close: Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, and Brees. All of these guys are champions, any of them could be the best this season. They sit above everyone else. With the way he started on Thursday, Peyton obviously has a chance at being the best QB in the shield this season.

          I think that Brees and the Saints will have a monster season with Coach Payton back in the fold. He is an excellent head coach.

          Brady and Rodgers have both lost some big passing weapons. But they are both so great that their teams will keep winning like always. The stats could take a bit of a hit though.
          Last edited by Sollozzo; 09-07-2013, 02:27 PM.

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          • #80
            Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

            Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
            I think there is a class of quarterbacks who are all pretty close: Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, and Brees. All of these guys are champions, any of them could be the best this season. They sit above everyone else. With the way he started on Thursday, Peyton obviously has a chance at being the best QB in the shield this season.

            I think that Brees and the Saints will have a monster season with Coach Payton back in the fold. He is an excellent head coach.

            Brady and Rodgers have both lost some big passing weapons. But they are both so great that their teams will keep winning like always. The stats could take a bit of a hit though.
            You have to put Flacco and Eli in that list too, IMO. They may not be as great of passers but they make it up in other ways to make it into the top echelon.

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            • #81
              Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

              Those two are not in the same list. Yeah they play well in the playoffs but they aren't at the dominant level that those other 4 are, not even close.
              Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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              • #82
                Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

                Heck....Luck will be ahead of Flacco and Eli in the near future.

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                • #83
                  Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

                  Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
                  Those two are not in the same list. Yeah they play well in the playoffs but they aren't at the dominant level that those other 4 are, not even close.
                  They are better leaders than Brees and Rogers though so I think that puts them close to their level.

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                  • #84
                    Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

                    Originally posted by RebelMike09 View Post
                    They are better leaders than Brees and Rogers though so I think that puts them close to their level.
                    I respect the hell out of what Eli did in those two Super Bowl runs. But he followed that second championship with a 2012 season in which the Giants started 6-2, yet somehow missed the playoffs. The offense looked like crap down the stretch last year. Peyton and Brady would never miss the playoffs after starting 6-2.

                    Flacco played great in the playoffs last year, but let's see him take this gutted roster to the playoffs before we consider him to be an elite QB, IMHO.

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                    • #85
                      Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

                      There's going to be a documentary out on September 24th called "The Book of Manning" obviously Peyton will be heavily featured

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                      • #86
                        Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

                        Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                        I respect the hell out of what Eli did in those two Super Bowl runs. But he followed that second championship with a 2012 season in which the Giants started 6-2, yet somehow missed the playoffs. The offense looked like crap down the stretch last year. Peyton and Brady would never miss the playoffs after starting 6-2.

                        Flacco played great in the playoffs last year, but let's see him take this gutted roster to the playoffs before we consider him to be an elite QB, IMHO.
                        I actually think that the Ravens are still a playoff team and I think Flacco's leadership is the reason why. Although I do think the Broncos are the favorites to win the championship.

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                        • #87
                          Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

                          Originally posted by RebelMike09 View Post
                          I actually think that the Ravens are still a playoff team and I think Flacco's leadership is the reason why. Although I do think the Broncos are the favorites to win the championship.
                          I'd be more worried about their defenses cohesiveness. Sure Peyton picked them apart for most of the night but there were a lot of blown coverages in there too. And if jacoby is down for long he's not going to have any throwing targets except Smith deep and Rice dump.

                          As for Peyton, good to see him still breaking records that are more about explosiveness than longevity. If he could win another Super Bowl in the next year or two that'd be great. Add to his legacy and do it before the Colts blow it open and become perineal contenders.
                          Last edited by Mr.Hinds; 09-08-2013, 09:39 PM.
                          "There is a time to play and a time to win. It is what you do during winning time that differentiates the average players from stars."

                          ~Ahmad Rashad~

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                          • #88
                            Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

                            That's just insane

                            Tickets to Giants-Broncos Manning Bowl showdown in MetLife selling for up to $4,400
                            Siblings Eli and Peyton Manning will face off in the MetLife Stadium on Sunday and football fans are paying top dollar for the best seats in the house.


                            Eli Manning and the Giants opened the season with a loss to the Dallas Cowboys.
                            This Sunday's Manning Bowl III looms as a possible Super Bowl XLVIII preview — right down to the stadium and the soaring ticket prices.

                            The MetLife Stadium sibling showdown, pitting Eli and his Giants against Peyton and his Broncos, is the city’s hottest ticket, with 50-yard-line club seats selling for up to $4,400 apiece on StubHub.com.

                            And Manning mania isn’t limited to the metropolitan area.

                            RELATED: GIANTS CAN'T GET A GRIP, COMMIT SIX TOS IN LOSS TO 'BOYS

                            “The Manning brothers are pulling fans from not only all over the U.S., but from as far away as Copenhagen, Vienna and Hong Kong,” said Alison Salcedo, spokeswoman for ticket resale site StubHub.


                            DOUG PENSINGER/GETTY IMAGES

                            Peyton Manning has won the brothers' previous matchups.

                            The battle of the brothers arrives with an average asking price of $489.42 per ticket, according to TiqIQ, a secondary market ticket aggregator.

                            It’s the third matchup of Peyton and his little brother Eli since the Big Blue QB reached the NFL in 2004 — with the elder Manning winning both. Eli leads Peyton in Super Bowl wins, 2-1.

                            PHOTOS: GIANTS THROW AWAY WEEK 1 GAME TO COWBOYS AS TURNOVERS COST TEAM

                            This could be the last Manning Bowl: Peyton, 37, has three years left on his contract with the Broncos. The Mannings would meet again in four years under the NFL’s current scheduling.

                            An earlier rematch is possible on Feb. 2, when the Super Bowl comes to the Meadowlands for the first time.


                            JACK DEMPSEY/AP

                            Peyton tossed a record-tying seven touchdowns in the Broncos-Ravens game, furthering hyping up Manning Bowl III.

                            Chris Matkovich, vice president of data and communications for TiqIQ, said of this Sunday’s game: “It’s an interesting matchup. It’s the two brothers facing off, but there’s a lot of other pretty good players and two pretty good teams.”

                            RELATED: PEY BACK! MANNING GETS REVENGE ON RAVENS WITH 7 TDS IN ROUT

                            True. But new Bronco Wes Welker doesn’t have a brother in blue, and Giants co-captain Justin Tuck won’t shake hands with a sibling before the coin toss.

                            Seats for the game available via StubHub were routinely selling for double and triple their face value.

                            Lower-level end zone seats, with a $120 face value, are priced anywhere from $331 to $630 — depending on how close they are to the field.


                            BRIAN ACH/AP IMAGES FOR DIRECTV

                            Peyton has three years left on his contract with the Broncos, so Sunday's game may be final Manning Bowl.

                            PHOTOS: MANNING CONNECTS FOR SEVEN TD PASSES AS BRONCOS ROUT RAVENS

                            VividSeats.com advertised lower-level seats between the 40-yard lines for up to $1,200 a pop.

                            Upper-deck 50-yard line seats with a face value of $85 were on sale for $330 apiece.

                            Interest in the already-hyped game received an extra boost from Peyton Manning’s season debut. The veteran QB tossed a record-tying seven touchdowns in a 49-27 thumping of the defending NFL champion Baltimore Ravens.

                            Eli Manning and the Giants opened the season with a 36-31 loss Sunday night as their rally against the rival Dallas Cowboys fell short.

                            Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...#ixzz2ePIlCGZZ

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                            • #89
                              Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

                              Congrats Peyton for joining the 60K passing yards club...

                              He laid the pimp hand on Eli today

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                              • #90
                                Re: 2013 Peyton Manning thread

                                I love watching Peyton play. He is still the master out there. Obviously anything can happen in a one and done playoff format, but this Denver team is easily the most talented team in the AFC. Is the Denver defense that good or was the NYG offense really that sloppy? Probably a little bit of both. You can never completely trust the Giants.

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