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  • #16
    Re: Luck to Pro Bowl...

    Originally posted by Since86 View Post
    As should all pro-bowlers.http://www.pacersdigest.com/newreply...eply&p=1569475

    It's such a waste of time and money, and eventhough it's a glorified scrimmage it risks player's health.
    Thing is I think players like to make the probowl, but most are pretty hurt when it comes around, and would just rather heal, and the ones that played the week before are just pretty tired, this is what happens though when it gets moved from after the SB to the week before.
    Why so SERIOUS

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Johanvil View Post
      Eli, Brees or Wilson I guess. I hope they pick Wilson. He deserves it.
      All three are in

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      • #18
        Re: Luck to Pro Bowl...

        that little ***** brady never plays in the probowl
        Larry Bird and Ryan Grigson- wasting the talents of Paul George and Andrew Luck

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        • #19
          Brady backed out of the pro bowl with a bruised ego.


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          • #20
            Re: Luck to Pro Bowl...

            I will never, ever understand the utter hate Colts fans have for Brady. I can understand Belichick, but I have nothing but respect for Brady. Peyton and Brady had nothing but respect for each other and I really can't think of a reason to hate Brady. Because he beat us? I mean I guess that makes me not a fan of his, but I just don't understand the universal need to bash him that I have seen from so many Colts fans. I mean to each his own, but Brady is an amazing player and I think at some point you just have to tip your hat to that.


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            • #21
              If you trace it to other colts forums. Manning vs. Brady was Luck vs. RG3 times 1000. There have also been plenty of instances of patriots fans attacking the colts board. Brady got shoved down colts fans throats for years. Its not Brady's fault, he's just overexposed around here.

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              Last edited by spazzxb; 01-23-2013, 04:46 AM.

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              • #22
                Re: Luck to Pro Bowl...

                Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
                If you trace it to other colts forums. Manning vs. Brady was Luck vs. RG3 times 1000. There have also been plenty of instances of patriots fans attacking the colts board. Brady got shoved down colts fans throats for years. Its not Brady's fault, he's just overexposed around here.

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                I agree, this turned off many Colts fans when the RATS board was invaded by many trash talking (alleged) Patriot fans. Basically had ruined that site for Colts discussion.
                You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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                • #23
                  Re: Luck to Pro Bowl...

                  I've read Pats forums and they don't like Manning, just like most Colts fans don't like Brady. That's just the nature of an intense rivalry. I respect Brady and the Pats though.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Luck to Pro Bowl...

                    I think you'll find very few people that wouldn't recognize Brady's value. Those would also be delusional not to. As Sollozo said though, it's a rivalry and I totally get many Colts fan don't like him. I don't like him either and laugh when he and the Pats lose a game. Doesn't mean I don't respect him though.

                    This is sooooooooo good.

                    Never forget

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                    • #25
                      Re: Luck to Pro Bowl...

                      Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                      I will never, ever understand the utter hate Colts fans have for Brady. I can understand Belichick, but I have nothing but respect for Brady. Peyton and Brady had nothing but respect for each other and I really can't think of a reason to hate Brady. Because he beat us? I mean I guess that makes me not a fan of his, but I just don't understand the universal need to bash him that I have seen from so many Colts fans. I mean to each his own, but Brady is an amazing player and I think at some point you just have to tip your hat to that.
                      I have less issue with Brady than I do Belichick. I actually thought Brady was very over-rated early on in his career, and you'd be hard-pressed to refute me on that, but over the years he has become a master quarterback. The traits he displays today weren't evident in his first 3-4 years. He was a good game-manager back then, and he had some clutch plays, but his production left a lot to be desired. Now it seems like his clutchness and productivity have reversed. He throws an absolutely beautiful ball, puts up ridiculous numbers, but seems to choke in the big moments and hasn't won a title in 8 years. About the biggest beef I have with Brady is his.... GQ persona. He needs to man it up a bit. But that's a small quarrel.

                      I think he's become a better pure passer than Manning, but he's not the game-changing "general on the field" that Manning was and has always been. Manning revolutionized the position with his mind. Brady is a very, very good quarterback, but I don't think he had the impact on this generation of quarterbacks like Manning did. Brady didn't revolutionize the position. Manning did. In my mind, even if Manning won less SBs, he will always be the more monumental quarterbacking figure.

                      Belichick on the other hand.... douchebag. I don't care if he's actually a nice guy behind the scenes --- soe of the **** he's pulled on the sidelines over the years just makes me mad. Running up scores... faking injuries... Spy Gate... Holding Marvin Harrison so he couldn't get back in the field of play... declining interviews.... not shaking hands.... being a poor sport. Refusing to join NFL Head Coaches Association, having an affair... Cocky play-calling... 4th-and-2. He's an amazing coach, but he's a douchebag.

                      I also had a disposition against Willie McGinest and Rodney Harrison... great players who in my mind didn't conduct themselves properly on the field. Rodney played dirty.

                      And ya, 10 years ago, almost any Colts forum was almost unlivable.... they were over-ran with complete douchebag Patriots fans. They were the absolute worst to deal with, so cocky and dickish. That mostly changed when we finally beat them in 2006 championship run. But before that, good Lord. They were terrible fans. They were like.... Bulls fans from two years ago when they thought DRose was the next *****... multiplied by 10.
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                      • #26
                        Re: Luck to Pro Bowl...

                        I think its quite simple TJ.

                        Brady and Manning always get compared to one another and everyone wants to say this guy is better than that guy for a number of reasons.

                        Manning is a better field general or Brady has more rings. Brady only got those rings because of his defense. The list goes on and on.

                        There is some truth in a lot of the arguments but its the fan in us that wants to say guy X is better than the other since he accomplished more. Now as a fan when your argument is lacking you resort to bashing a perfectly fine human being.

                        Pats fans will point to Peyton as blaming others like his 0-line or a wr while Colts fans point to Brady for not going to the probowl. Its all trivial since what fans really care about is where they matchup all time. Everything else you see is all secondary IMO.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Luck to Pro Bowl...

                          Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                          True, they will be surrounded by about 1000 cameras when they embrace here next season. But this is the pro bowl, aka the most boring event ever, so you gotta search desperately for something to give the game some excitement. As a Colts fan, I do find it interesting that these two will be on the same team. I'm sure that Peyton doesn't hold anything personally against Luck, but it's bound to run through his head that the kid took his job. No one in Manning's life had ever taken his job before. Therefore, I'm interested in their interaction.
                          What do you mean nobody took his job before? We're all replaced at some point... and given how his dad was an NFL QB he shouldn't be that surprised by how cold and cruel the business is why do you think he always wanted the max?

                          Because he knows that there's no real loyalty in pro sports.

                          To answer the other poster as to why I don't care for Brady I've disliked him since Michigan its not just a Pats thing with me. I think he's a great QB but I don't like the guy never have never will.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Luck to Pro Bowl...

                            Luck mic'd up at the Pro Bowl...

                            http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-pro-bo...-Bowl-practice

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                            • #29
                              Re: Luck to Pro Bowl...

                              In the last two seasons when Manning played (2010 and 2012), both him and Brady were knocked out by the same team at home, the Jets in 2010 and the Ravens in 2012.

                              I'm sure they will both stew about losing to the Ravens when they talk this off-season.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Luck to Pro Bowl...

                                Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                                In the last two seasons when Manning played (2010 and 2012), both him and Brady were knocked out by the same team at home, the Jets in 2010 and the Ravens in 2012.

                                I'm sure they will both stew about losing to the Ravens when they talk this off-season.

                                Or possibly laugh at Flacco regressing into Mark Sanchez(although I don't see it getting to that point)

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