Browns-Colts thread

[Trader Joe]

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Weeden did look good today. He's also getting much more time to throw than Luck. Our pass rush was pitiful. Luck is on the run 90% of every game this season. He's doing an admirable job getting away but that is not a recipe for success for many QBs. However even in the face of that Luck is having one of the best rookie seasons ever and that cannot be changed.

[BlueCollarColts]

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Luck a bust???????????? come on now Ol'blue you even know that is not true, who expected the Colts to be 3-3? no one did, including you, so if Luck is some huge bust how are they 3-3, a great defense? no. good running game? no. great O-line? no. Luck has been great this season and you know it

[speakout4]

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So what? Luck will never come close to being the player Romo is..... He is not the problem in Dallas.....

What a deft move. Instead of acknowledging that your star Romo was benched already this season you turn it around to suggest that the #1 pick in the NFL draft is worse than a player who is not only not a star but has already been benched once this season and likely will be benched again. Absolutely no credit to a kid who has almost single handedly been responsible for three wins.

You must have taken that college course called keep throwing out ******** because it will distract some people.

[OlBlu]

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By the end of this year Andrew Luck will be eating Romo's lunch on a weekly basis. And calling Luck a complete bust is beyond ridiculous. Peyton Manning had a horrendous rookie season and Luck has already matched his total wins in just 6 games. You are so petty.

You don't know what you are talking about. Peyton had one of the great rookie seasons in NFL history. He threw for 3739 yards and 26 TDs. He did have 28 INTs.

Luck is on pace to throw for 4464 yards but only 18 TDs with 18 INTs.

Peyton was the first NFL rookie QB to throw for 3 TDs in a game against the 49ers. He set five NFL rookie records that year. If Luck has many more performances like today, he will not get that many yards. We will see how he adds up at the end of the season but Peyton was great in his first season no matter what you say. Andrew Luck is the 30th rated QB in the NFL and going lower. He isn't going to be eating anybody's lunch at the rate he is going. Romo in the next three years has enough talent on his team to go to a superbowl with some good fortune and some more good players added. Luck isn't going anywhere. So, it is not petty, what you say is simple absurd. So, Luck has won three games. That doesn't mean anything to me, he may or may not win any more. He might not even finish the season and come close to Peyton in any catagory. He could have a 5 INT game. When the season is over, then we will talk but do not tell me that a 30th rated passer in the NFL is doing anything at all. He is also throwing the ball much more than Peyton did and his completion percentage is just horrible......

[OlBlu]

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What a deft move. Instead of acknowledging that your star Romo was benched already this season you turn it around to suggest that the #1 pick in the NFL draft is worse than a player who is not only not a star but has already been benched once this season and likely will be benched again. Absolutely no credit to a kid who has almost single handedly been responsible for three wins.

What? Reggie Wayne single handedly won one of those games and was making circus catches and bailing Luck out of bad throws all day long. Luck tried his best to give today's game to the Browns, they just wouldn't let him. Romo is rated far ahead of Luck now and he will be even more ahead by the end of the season. In case you haven't notice, Romo has been considered a star for many years. Luck isn't considered that by anyone outside of Indianapolis. Even Wilson wrote an article in the star about the 30th ranking. He may be going lower than that rather quickly. I don't see any growth here.

[speakout4]

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You don't know what you are talking about. Peyton had one of the great rookie seasons in NFL history. He threw for 3739 yards and 26 TDs. He did have 28 INTs.

Luck is on pace to throw for 4464 yards but only 18 TDs with 18 INTs.

Peyton was the first NFL rookie QB to throw for 3 TDs in a game against the 49ers. He set five NFL rookie records that year. If Luck has many more performances like today, he will not get that many yards. We will see how he adds up at the end of the season but Peyton was great in his first season no matter what you say. Andrew Luck is the 30th rated QB in the NFL and going lower. He isn't going to be eating anybody's lunch at the rate he is going. Romo in the next three years has enough talent on his team to go to a superbowl with some good fortune and some more good players added. Luck isn't going anywhere. So, it is not petty, what you say is simple absurd. So, Luck has won three games. That doesn't mean anything to me, he may or may not win any more. He might not even finish the season and come close to Peyton in any catagory. He could have a 5 INT game. When the season is over, then we will talk but do not tell me that a 30th rated passer in the NFL is doing anything at all. He is also throwing the ball much more than Peyton did and his completion percentage is just horrible......

You're correct a guy who can get 4464 yards rookie season is probably the worst QB in the NFL. On what planet does that logic work?

[OlBlu]

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Luck a bust???????????? come on now Ol'blue you even know that is not true, who expected the Colts to be 3-3? no one did, including you, so if Luck is some huge bust how are they 3-3, a great defense? no. good running game? no. great O-line? no. Luck has been great this season and you know it

Luck has not been great. A good QB like Peyton Manning would have this team at 5-1 or 4-2. Luck is rated 30th out of all passers in the NFL. How is that great? He only has 7 TD passes after six games and 7 INTs to go with that. He has been sacked and beaten around. The only good stat he has is yards per game and that is because he is chucking the ball at a near record rate. You should get 300 yards when you throw 50 times. There are four rookie QBs rated above him and Weeden may pass him this week and certainly outplayed him today. I don't know what you are drinking but this guy isn't living up to the hype at all and he probably won't......

[OlBlu]

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You're correct a guy who can get 4464 yards rookie season is probably the worst QB in the NFL. On what planet does that logic work?

Throw 50+ times most game and you will get some yardage even with his absurd 53% completion rate. No other team in the NFL would even let him play passing that badly..... He won't get get 4464 yards. A few more 186 yd games will take care of that.....

[speakout4]

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Throw 50+ times most game and you will get some yardage even with his absurd 53% completion rate. No other team in the NFL would even let him play passing that badly..... He won't get get 4464 yards. A few more 186 yd games will take care of that.....

He has no reliable receivers other than Reggie so he ran for 2 TDs and won the game. That is the goal to win the game or is it to rack up stats?

[OlBlu]

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Weeden did look good today. He's also getting much more time to throw than Luck. Our pass rush was pitiful. Luck is on the run 90% of every game this season. He's doing an admirable job getting away but that is not a recipe for success for many QBs. However even in the face of that Luck is having one of the best rookie seasons ever and that cannot be changed.

He is not having a great rookie season. His only great stat is total yards and that is because he is virtually allowed to throw whenever he wants to. 53% completion rate is TERRIBLE. He is only rated 5th in his own rookie class of QBs after today. You can make all of the excuses you want for him but he is not playing well. 7 TD in seven games is not overpowering and way behind what Peyton did.....

[OlBlu]

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Does anyone want to take a wild guess how many times the "star" Romo has been in the top 10 in any of the 5 major passing categories during his 8 year career? So 40 chances to get into the top 10 in completions, yards, td's, rating, and %? Anyone?

Does anyone want to guess if Luck will get in the top ten on anything in his first eight years. My guess is "no", he won't ........

[DGPR]

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You don't know what you are talking about. Peyton had one of the great rookie seasons in NFL history. He threw for 3739 yards and 26 TDs. He did have 28 INTs.

Luck is on pace to throw for 4464 yards but only 18 TDs with 18 INTs.

Peyton was the first NFL rookie QB to throw for 3 TDs in a game against the 49ers. He set five NFL rookie records that year. If Luck has many more performances like today, he will not get that many yards. We will see how he adds up at the end of the season but Peyton was great in his first season no matter what you say. Andrew Luck is the 30th rated QB in the NFL and going lower. He isn't going to be eating anybody's lunch at the rate he is going. Romo in the next three years has enough talent on his team to go to a superbowl with some good fortune and some more good players added. Luck isn't going anywhere. So, it is not petty, what you say is simple absurd. So, Luck has won three games. That doesn't mean anything to me, he may or may not win any more. He might not even finish the season and come close to Peyton in any catagory. He could have a 5 INT game. When the season is over, then we will talk but do not tell me that a 30th rated passer in the NFL is doing anything at all. He is also throwing the ball much more than Peyton did and his completion percentage is just horrible......

Woops, you conveniently left out rushing TDs for Luck.

[OlBlu]

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Woops, you conveniently left out rushing TDs for Luck.

No "whoops", they aren't listed with passing stats... Not enough to make up for his 53% passing percentage and being 30 out of 32 QBs in QB rating.... Let me tell you, that is bad, very bad and I expect it to get worse as the season goes along.....

[xBulletproof]

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You love to rag on Luck's completion percentage. You do realize Peyton threw 56% in his rookie year, right? Not much different than Luck. Also Luck is averaging 41 attempts per game, and Peyton threw 36 per game. Not much of a difference but, you keep claiming it's some huge gap. Luck is also averaging more yards per attempt than Peyton did in his rookie year. Peyton's rookie year QB rating was 71.2 as well. If Peyton had some astounding and amazing rookie year, Luck is exactly in the same category.

Your arguments make no sense. Luck is exactly where Peyton was in his rookie year but I bet you didn't think he was going to be horrible. Neither is Luck going to be, as he isn't horrible now.

[travmil]

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Woops, you conveniently left out rushing TDs for Luck.

Not surprising. He routinely leaves out facts that don't fit his rant.