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  • travmil
    The New Gold Swagger
    • Dec 2004
    • 7640

    Re: Vikings - Colts

    Luck did enough to win it on his own. Certainly doesn't hurt to have Vinny on your team though. Brady has three rings because of Vinny so I'm willing to look the other way on one regular season game for Luck.

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    • Heisenberg
      u bum
      • Jun 2010
      • 25190

      Re: Vikings - Colts

      So on to the Jags. The same Jags who lost to Minnesota in Week 1.

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      • CompACE
        The Pac-Attack
        • May 2005
        • 388

        Re: Vikings - Colts

        Originally posted by Young
        I have heard Coach Pagno say he wants a ground and pound (something to that effect) football team, but what about Arians? He certainly didn't show that in Pittsburgh and I think that is why they fired him/told him to retire. To be fair to Arians he was working with a offensive line in Pittsburgh that has been declining for years. However I don't think many Steeler fans were unhappy about him leaving. It appears that many didn't care for his play calling. I can see why. I think the Colts were too conservative in the second half. But hey in the end the Colts won and that's what matters.
        When I said he did the same thing in Pittsburgh, I guess I meant it in terms of Arians having to adapt to Roethlisberger's playing style.
        I do recall Arians (or at least a reporter who interviewed him) say that he wanted to be a predominantly running offense in Pittsburgh when he started there, but they (the Steelers) started becoming more pass-happy as Roethlisberger developed into a good passing game.

        While I don't have a source for that unfortunately (I was thinking of it off the top) here's an article of him talking about the running game.


        “We want to be able to run the football when we want to run the football. There aren’t any numbers, every game dictates different numbers. But when we want to run it, we want to be able to run it, and be able to be physical.”
        Arians talked about taking an ‘old school football’ approach to running the football and he has multiple backs at his disposal this training camp.
        Also if Pagano wants ground and pound, I'm not sure he would've brought in Arians if he thought Arians would contradict his coaching philosophy.

        I do agree with you though that his playcalling was too conservative for this game. At the very least we should've tried a HB sweep or two instead of running it up the gut for -2 yards every 1st down. I'm not even sure that would work, I'd just rather they tried something (a little) less predictable.
        Never half-a** two things. Whole-a** one thing.

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        • Pacergeek
          Member
          • Apr 2009
          • 9034

          Re: Vikings - Colts

          Colts deserved to lose this game because of the horrible play calling in the second half. Coaches got bailed out from Luck's heroics.
          Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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          • Banta
            Member
            • Jan 2010
            • 827

            Re: Vikings - Colts

            I haven't read through the whole thread, so advance apologies if this has already been discussed. I noted a few things about Luck today.

            1. He is excellent at sensing the pressure and moving in the pocket to avoid it. Excellent.
            2. He was not especially accurate, despite the overall percentage. He underthrew Avery on that 1st qtr bomb, the TD to Allen was thrown late and at least 3 or 4 other inaccurate throws that were great catches. I was only judging him on throws where he had protection.
            3. Dang that kids is ugly.


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            • Kid Minneapolis
              Pacer Pride, Colts Strong
              • Apr 2004
              • 7351

              Originally posted by Banta
              I haven't read through the whole thread, so advance apologies if this has already been discussed. I noted a few things about Luck today.

              1. He is excellent at sensing the pressure and moving in the pocket to avoid it. Excellent.
              2. He was not especially accurate, despite the overall percentage. He underthrew Avery on that 1st qtr bomb, the TD to Allen was thrown late and at least 3 or 4 other inaccurate throws that were great catches. I was only judging him on throws where he had protection.
              3. Dang that kids is ugly.
              He improved in a number of categories. Zero turnovers, for one. His deep balls were thrown much better. I think the first person to admit that he has things to work on is Luck himself. Everything I see though is a matter of speed and timing, which will correct over time.

              You're absolutely right about his pocket awareness. I don't recall a rookie ever being as good in that category.

              We waited fifteen weeks last year for our first win, so yeah.

              I was glad to see some pass protection improvement. Not awesome but Luck at least had time to make reads and step into most of his throws. And when he ran out he was excellent throwing on the run. His 2-min offense is just ridiculous for a rook.
              Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 09-16-2012, 09:53 PM.
              There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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              • Foul on Smits
                Member
                • Jun 2010
                • 5436

                Re: Vikings - Colts

                I had one problem. That sack he took was horrible. One of the worst i've seen. Other than that, the kid is good. I'm super excited.

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                • Foul on Smits
                  Member
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 5436

                  Re: Vikings - Colts

                  Originally posted by Sollozzo
                  Agreed. Luck led a beautiful drive to set up that FG at the end of the game when he was able to play to his capabilities. Our play calling was overly conservative in the previous four possessions and it almost cost us the game. I hope that doesn't become a trend. Let Luck throw.
                  I'll be honest, I was so drunk, I thought Jim Caldwell had snuck back into Lucas Oil, grabbed a head set and started calling plays from some unknown location. When Minnesota was driving and there was a timeout called, I looked at my friends and said " Here comes Scobee! "

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                  • Foul on Smits
                    Member
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 5436

                    Re: Vikings - Colts

                    Lucks pocket awareness blows my mind. There were about 4 times where I saw Allen turn the corner and i cringed, thinking Allen was going to get up wearing a Andrew Luck jersey. He's no Peyton, but lets be honest, if Allen turned the corner on Peyton like that, Peyton is dropping to the ground.

                    When Luck first came in, i tried to compare him to Rodgers. The more i see him, especially today, he reminds me a lot of Rothlisberger. He's deadly when he's forced to scramble. He's made 3 or 4 deadly accurate passes across his body, on the run. The look on Jared Allen's face was priceless.

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                    • Richard_Skull
                      A Hill to get over a hill
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 457

                      Re: Vikings - Colts

                      Noticed early in the game where Luck was about to get sacked and the crowd did that "OhhhHHH" thing, and Luck was like, oh yea that means I'm about to get sacked and he scrambled out of it. On top of his general pocket awareness, he's also hard to bring down/ get a hold of. That saved us a safety.
                      PG24: "Don't tell me the sky is the limit when there are footprints on the moon!"

                      RT @Hoya2aPacer "When I play this game I love. I play to make my teammates better. But I'm a mouther****er on defense."

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                      • xBulletproof
                        I have a Member
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 4671

                        Re: Vikings - Colts

                        "We were rushing him. He moved around a lot. It (stinks), missing sacks," Jared Allen said. "He did a good job. If the guy is not as mobile, we probably have six sacks.
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                        • Sollozzo
                          Member
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 27435

                          Re: Vikings - Colts

                          Yeah, Luck's athleticism is extremely impressive. It just might be enough to keep him healthy this season. If he can just make it through this season, we can beef up the line next year with our cap space and hopefully won't have to worry as much about it.

                          I hope that last drive was enough to show our coaches that we don't need to hold Luck back if we have a lead. That would have been a very difficult loss to take after having so many opportunities to put that game away.

                          I bet Wayne has like 1300 yards this year. He was able to get 900 last year with all of those bums throwing it to him.

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                          • Pacer Fan
                            Indiana Pacers Forever
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 4325

                            Re: Vikings - Colts

                            Even tho the Vikings imploded, the Colts was able to hang in there and get a victory. I think the Vikings helped the Colts at times more then the Colts helped themselves at times. I have to give props to the Colts for the last drive and field goal.

                            I really didn't think the Colts could win this game and I have to say that I was wrong. However, I'm not sure how many teams are just going to give games away like that so I am very reluctant to think Colts will win another one this year. Just have to take it one game at a time.
                            Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                            • Trader Joe
                              DIET COKE!
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 46892

                              Re: Vikings - Colts

                              So we almost saw the disaster that is "playing it safe" yesterday. By trying to not put Luck in a position to make a mistake we had to put him in a position to lead a game winning drive with 30 seconds on the clock, which obviously he did brilliantly but that's besides the point. Arians was notorious for doing this type of bull **** in Pittsburgh and Steelers fans hated him for it, so I am hoping it will not be a continual habit here, hopefully Pagano can say "Let Luck throw." He may be a rookie, but any possession we have where we run on three straight plays is IMO going to be a failure.


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                              • Trader Joe
                                DIET COKE!
                                • Jan 2006
                                • 46892

                                Re: Vikings - Colts

                                Luck is somewhere between Rodgers and Roethlisberger in terms of his athletic traits. IMO though he is ahead of both of them as rookies. Luck's pocket awareness is unbelievable. Being at the game yesterday it was incredible how he would pick up on Allen coming from his blind side and take off at the right moment leaving Allen grasping for air, that is a special sense to have. His one deep sack was a big fail, but I'm willing to cut him some slack. He was trying to make a plan after having to keep his arm holstered all second half.


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