Re: Non-Colts thread
I don't think RG3 is bad... I don't think the 'Skins didn't earn a hard-earned division champ. I don't think a ROY is more important than some playoff wins. I obviously hope that Luck and the Colts have much team success in the post-season.
Success and awards aren't an either/or thing for me as it is for some of you obviously. Every time I even mention a ROY, I get a lot of "who cares, I want wins" responses. Well no ****. I do too. You might as well say "who cares about food, I want oxygen to survive." Here's a little hint --- You can have both. And why not?
When I watch these guys with my own eyes and put everything into perspective with my football knowledge, I see a stud in Luck, a slightly lesser stud in Wilson, and a bit of fool's gold with RG3. That's it. The fool's gold will fool a lot of fools, lol. I see the system they're running, I see the stats he's putting up, it makes sense. I know where this story will eventually end. I see holes in his game that he's yet to answer for me, namely running a true pro style offense, which I personally believe he's going to HAVE to figure out eventually if he's going to be this so called "greatest player in history". These options and spreads and west-coasts hybrids aren't going to get him there. And I don't know if he has what it takes to do it.
Wilson is a straight-up baller; I was turned on to him by Gruden and after watching his footage, I whole-heartedly agreed. Under-exposed, under-rated, and mostly because he came on late at Wisconsin being there only 1 year, and he's short. To me he's an athletic Drew Brees --- which is absolutely lethal. He's a pocket passer first and he's fantastic at it, but he's even more fantastic moving around to extend plays and he has absolutely killer instincts.
Luck to me, though, is performing small miracles. He started with and continues to have the worst overall team. A team that gave up 300+ yards rushing just a week ago. An o-line that still cannot protect him. Very small resemblance of a running game. NOthing but rookie receivers to throw to (minus Wayne). He's playing in Peyton Manning's shadow. I don't see Wilson or RG3 being able to do that last one. I'm sorry. Manning is, as of now, the greatest player to play, and he's still playing... and Luck walked inot the house that the greatest player ever built and had to take over, and he produced 11 wins and broke numerous records and had the highest usage and most on his shoulders, all while dealing with a coach that was damn near dying. And he's out there running his own offense and calling most of his own plays; which the other two are not. To me, the context and the results aren't even close when considering the three. Luck is the real man amongst this group of man-childs. To me it's like the NBA draft of 2003 --- LeBron, Carmelo, DWade, and Bosh all went early... all were very good to great players.... but it's no contest as to who eventually was the best player in that group. Even if DWade won a ring first. I've made multiple mentions about Luck being the NFL version of LeBron in regards to smarts, athleticism, size, strength, vision --- that total package that LeBron posseses. Luck, to me, possesses the same rare traits, but Luck even exceeds a young LeBron in leadership and maturity and clutchness.
Outside of all of that context, look at wins. Luck and Wilson tied, RG3, slightly less. Total touchdowns, Wilson > Luck > RG3. Total yards, Luck > RG3 > Wilson. Records, Luck >>>> RG3 and Wilson.
Luck played in a deep vertical, and therefore, the most error-prone offense, while RG3 played in the least. That explains Lucks much higher yardage and attempts, but also his lower completion percentage and more INTs. RG3 threw it way less often, and when he did throw, it was usually short, high-completion rate passes with high YAC, and when he did go to throw deep he faced way less defensive backfield coverage because they were all up in run support, whereas Luck was constantly throwing into double and triple coverage because nobody respected Indy's run game and they dropped more back in coverage. RG3 led all in YAC which is more system than individual.
So context-wise, I think Luck wins easily. Stat-wise, RG3 really isn't even the top guy there, either --- and yet all you really hear is RG3 is going ot get this thing. That doesn't make sense to me and that's why I look at hype and exposure and his "cool factor" as to why he's going to steal this thing.
Based off actual football achievements and not hype, I think the ROY voting should be Luck > Wilson > RG3. I'd place more importance on Morris, but I'd just get laughed out of the building, because "he gets all of his stats from RG3", ya know...
I still think that order is how it will play out 3-5 years from now.
I don't think RG3 is bad... I don't think the 'Skins didn't earn a hard-earned division champ. I don't think a ROY is more important than some playoff wins. I obviously hope that Luck and the Colts have much team success in the post-season.
Success and awards aren't an either/or thing for me as it is for some of you obviously. Every time I even mention a ROY, I get a lot of "who cares, I want wins" responses. Well no ****. I do too. You might as well say "who cares about food, I want oxygen to survive." Here's a little hint --- You can have both. And why not?
When I watch these guys with my own eyes and put everything into perspective with my football knowledge, I see a stud in Luck, a slightly lesser stud in Wilson, and a bit of fool's gold with RG3. That's it. The fool's gold will fool a lot of fools, lol. I see the system they're running, I see the stats he's putting up, it makes sense. I know where this story will eventually end. I see holes in his game that he's yet to answer for me, namely running a true pro style offense, which I personally believe he's going to HAVE to figure out eventually if he's going to be this so called "greatest player in history". These options and spreads and west-coasts hybrids aren't going to get him there. And I don't know if he has what it takes to do it.
Wilson is a straight-up baller; I was turned on to him by Gruden and after watching his footage, I whole-heartedly agreed. Under-exposed, under-rated, and mostly because he came on late at Wisconsin being there only 1 year, and he's short. To me he's an athletic Drew Brees --- which is absolutely lethal. He's a pocket passer first and he's fantastic at it, but he's even more fantastic moving around to extend plays and he has absolutely killer instincts.
Luck to me, though, is performing small miracles. He started with and continues to have the worst overall team. A team that gave up 300+ yards rushing just a week ago. An o-line that still cannot protect him. Very small resemblance of a running game. NOthing but rookie receivers to throw to (minus Wayne). He's playing in Peyton Manning's shadow. I don't see Wilson or RG3 being able to do that last one. I'm sorry. Manning is, as of now, the greatest player to play, and he's still playing... and Luck walked inot the house that the greatest player ever built and had to take over, and he produced 11 wins and broke numerous records and had the highest usage and most on his shoulders, all while dealing with a coach that was damn near dying. And he's out there running his own offense and calling most of his own plays; which the other two are not. To me, the context and the results aren't even close when considering the three. Luck is the real man amongst this group of man-childs. To me it's like the NBA draft of 2003 --- LeBron, Carmelo, DWade, and Bosh all went early... all were very good to great players.... but it's no contest as to who eventually was the best player in that group. Even if DWade won a ring first. I've made multiple mentions about Luck being the NFL version of LeBron in regards to smarts, athleticism, size, strength, vision --- that total package that LeBron posseses. Luck, to me, possesses the same rare traits, but Luck even exceeds a young LeBron in leadership and maturity and clutchness.
Outside of all of that context, look at wins. Luck and Wilson tied, RG3, slightly less. Total touchdowns, Wilson > Luck > RG3. Total yards, Luck > RG3 > Wilson. Records, Luck >>>> RG3 and Wilson.
Luck played in a deep vertical, and therefore, the most error-prone offense, while RG3 played in the least. That explains Lucks much higher yardage and attempts, but also his lower completion percentage and more INTs. RG3 threw it way less often, and when he did throw, it was usually short, high-completion rate passes with high YAC, and when he did go to throw deep he faced way less defensive backfield coverage because they were all up in run support, whereas Luck was constantly throwing into double and triple coverage because nobody respected Indy's run game and they dropped more back in coverage. RG3 led all in YAC which is more system than individual.
So context-wise, I think Luck wins easily. Stat-wise, RG3 really isn't even the top guy there, either --- and yet all you really hear is RG3 is going ot get this thing. That doesn't make sense to me and that's why I look at hype and exposure and his "cool factor" as to why he's going to steal this thing.
Based off actual football achievements and not hype, I think the ROY voting should be Luck > Wilson > RG3. I'd place more importance on Morris, but I'd just get laughed out of the building, because "he gets all of his stats from RG3", ya know...
I still think that order is how it will play out 3-5 years from now.
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