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Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.
Why do you get your jollies pissing people off? We know your views but to repeat them ad nauseum is not something that a normal person would do. You seem to have some perverse need to annoy people. Don't say put you on ignore, just asking why you appear to be willing to upset people. It can't be that you're just a truth seeker because we are talking sports here and pissing people off to win a sports argument repeatedly and daily seems just wierd and totally unnecessary.Comment
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Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.
Not to mention a violation of the rules of PD.
See my sig. It's right there in black and white but the admins don't believe his intent is to annoy and disrupt. They somehow still believe he's just a misunderstood poster voicing his opinion.Comment
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Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.
Ol'blue is the biggest Manning fan you will ever meet
Peyton Manning rookie year- 56% cmp
Andrew Luck- 53% cmp
and his big argument on why Luck is terrible is his completion percentage? this just shows how dumb Ol'blue arguments can beComment
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Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.
Good point but I am responding to the views and opinions that people post over and over. Some of these folks attacked me directly. I won't let that go... Others posted things that I never said. I won't let that go either.... I don't care who gets pissed off. The ignore button is made for that. If you don't want me to chime in then don't say something really foolish and address it to me. You will get it back as soon as I see it.... I have already won this argument long ago, you folks just won't admit. Before the draft I was saying that RGIII was the better pick and he would be an instant star.... BINGO!! Now, just admit it and I will let it go. If you continue to argue, I will continue to provide data that anyone who can read can see and know which one is the better QB.....
If it matters (and it really doesn't), I think Luck will have his best statistical game of the season this week. I think they will still lose because the Colts won't be able to stop the running game with their woeful defense but it won't be because of Luck.....
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Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.
don't forget Luck is on pace to pass for more yards and will be very close to manning on total TD's, probably less INT's too than Manning, so what is your argument Ol'blue?Comment
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I will want a piece of that on the passing yards, not on TD's or INT'sComment
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Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.
I just don't understand you Ol'blue, you hate on Luck so much, but he is having as good if not better rookie year than Manning so far and all you do is hate on himComment
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Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.
I am glad you are a big fan of his 53% completion percentage. He is averaging a pick per TD (I know, Manning had 26 TD and 28 INTs) Who knows where he will end up but right now, ALL of the numbers say he is the next worst QB in the NFL and sinking.... Now you spin all of that any way you like, you make any excuse you want but I said RGIII was better before the draft and he is certainly a lot better and a superstar right now according to everyone who talks about it.... I agree with them. You had a Redskins poster here who basically threw up his hands and said it was silly trying to talk to you folks. I think he is right but I am a Colts fan so I am staying right here...... Dumb is another form of name calling, please stop that. I don't mind at all that you don't agree with me. I don't agree with you but I don't hurl insults at you....
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Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.
first off I did not call you dumb, I said some of your arguments can be dumb, which they are, ok Griffin is having a better rookie season, great, so does that mean Luck is a bust or awful? No. First off the Colts should not have drafted RGIII, the Colts wanted to run a pro-style offense not a spread or anything like that, and Andrew Luck is the right guy to run that, RGIII is a very good QB and Luck is a pretty darn good one right now also whether you want to admit it or notI am glad you are a big fan of his 53% completion percentage. He is averaging a pick per TD (I know, Manning had 26 TD and 28 INTs) Who knows where he will end up but right now, ALL of the numbers say he is the next worst QB in the NFL and sinking.... Now you spin all of that any way you like, you make any excuse you want but I said RGIII was better before the draft and he is certainly a lot better and a superstar right now according to everyone who talks about it.... I agree with them. You had a Redskins poster here who basically threw up his hands and said it was silly trying to talk to you folks. I think he is right but I am a Colts fan so I am staying right here...... Dumb is another form of name calling, please stop that. I don't mind at all that you don't agree with me. I don't agree with you but I don't hurl insults at you....Comment
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Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.
OK, sorry for objecting to the dumb remark. RGIII is going to run a pro style offense too. Right now, they are making him comfortable and letting him do some things he already does very well. If the Colts had a good coaching staff (they don't), they would be designing more plays for Luck to get the ball out more quickly with short passes. Part of the reason they don't do that is that they have to keep so many people back to try and keep Luck from getting killed from the heat they are putting on him.... Opponents are seeing that and they are going to do things to force Luck to keep airing out the ball since they don't have to respect the run. That is why I think his INT, fumble and sack numbers are going to go up, not down.....
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Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.
i believe Luck's numbers will only get better as the year continues, Luck never makes the same mistake twice, or at least her very rarely does, there have been plenty of articles quoting other Colts players, and coaches saying he always learns from his mistakes, Luck is going to make mistakes, he is a rookie, but I feel like he will learn from his mistakes and will come back on the next play and be better because of it.OK, sorry for objecting to the dumb remark. RGIII is going to run a pro style offense too. Right now, they are making him comfortable and letting him do some things he already does very well. If the Colts had a good coaching staff (they don't), they would be designing more plays for Luck to get the ball out more quickly with short passes. Part of the reason they don't do that is that they have to keep so many people back to try and keep Luck from getting killed from the heat they are putting on him.... Opponents are seeing that and they are going to do things to force Luck to keep airing out the ball since they don't have to respect the run. That is why I think his INT, fumble and sack numbers are going to go up, not down.....Comment
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Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.
I am not talking about Luck making mistakes, I am talking about the adjustments the other teams are going to make against him since the Colts can't move the ball on the ground. Double teaming Wayne will become routine, they are already slowing him down. Even more pressure and better coverage will lead to more INTs, not mistakes, just lousy situations and receivers who can't get open. I expect more Chicago type games. That is not a slam on Luck, it is a comment on taking a franchise QB when you don't have the right pieces to put around him....RGIII would have the same problems with Indy but he would negate some of it by being his own running game..... I note that no one ever mentions that RGIII has he most rushing TDs in the entire NFL.....
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