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  • OlBlu
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    • Dec 2011
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    Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

    Originally posted by xBulletproof
    I like how he keeps saying over and over that Luck can't throw a 50 yard pass, even though he threw one yesterday. Then he claims that someone else didn't actually watch the game. Of course, we also saw his 70 yard throw into the wind at his workout.

    I've never seen someone so hard headed and dense in my life.

    He threw his first long pass yesterday and it wasn't even close to a completion. I saw that 70 yard pass in his workout but can he throw it with accuracy? We don't know because he has only thrown one long pass. RGIII's first pass attempt of the game that was off of Garcon's fingertips set the tone for the entire game. I think all of this is that Luck simply does not have time to throw a long completion and the receivers are not even trying to get downfield (Theisman's words, not mine). I am not hard headed or dense but I am from Missouri so you have to "show me". I do know that Luck's few critics before the draft said they had never seen him make or complete an NFL throw and they had great doubts about his arm strength to make that throw with any accuracy. We have seen him in three preseason game and I still haven't seen that kind of throw. Yes, he aired out one but it wasn't close. I saw enough of RGIII yesterday to believe Garcon will be a thousand yard receiver this year and that he and RGIII will hook for long pass plays and TDs many times. I have seen none of that from Luck......

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    • idioteque
      hopeful
      • May 2006
      • 11439

      Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

      All quarterbacks can throw it a long way, lol. Even Jeff George and Trent Dilfer could throw bombs. Lots not pretend like that's some redeeming characteristic for NFL QB's.

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      • vapacersfan
        Member
        • Apr 2006
        • 8614

        Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

        Originally posted by Sollozzo
        Luck, playing with a poor line against a good defense: 14/23, 151 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 60.8%, 6.6 YPA, 94.7 rating

        RGIII playing with a solid line against a soft defense: 11/17, 74 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 64.7%, 4.3 YPA, 93.8 rating

        I don't see how in the world you can say that "RGIII completely outplayed Luck". Both were good, but the statistical evidence says that Luck played a better game. The only thing RGIII beat Luck in was completion percentage, yet Luck still managed to average two more yards per passing attempt. But I'm supposed to think that RGIII played a better game because he threw some long bombs that were incomplete? Any NFL quarterback can throw some long incomplete passes. The fact that you have to use long incomplete passes to back up your assertion that RGIII was better shows that RGIII didn't beat Luck in the stats that actually matter.

        If Luck had RGIII's offensive line then he would have completely outclassed RGIII.
        Our O-line was/is solid?

        25 years ago, maybe. Today, not so much.

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        • xBulletproof
          I have a Member
          • Jun 2010
          • 4671

          Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

          So now he can throw it long, but you question the accuracy. Go watch the video of the workout. He dropped it right into the receivers arms on a full sprint, but he dropped it. As for the throw yesterday, it was IN THE RECEIVERS HANDS, and was knocked out by the defender, how was it not accurate?

          If you haven't seen an "NFL throw" from Luck you're just blind. He's made several throws in tight windows while the coverage was present, but put it where only the receiver could get the ball. I don't care where you're from, you've been shown, you just down want to see it.

          Yes, you're dense. Very.

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          • OlBlu
            Banned
            • Dec 2011
            • 3288

            Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

            Originally posted by xBulletproof
            So now he can throw it long, but you question the accuracy. Go watch the video of the workout. He dropped it right into the receivers arms on a full sprint, but he dropped it. As for the throw yesterday, it was IN THE RECEIVERS HANDS, and was knocked out by the defender, how was it not accurate?

            If you haven't seen an "NFL throw" from Luck you're just blind. He's made several throws in tight windows while the coverage was present, but put it where only the receiver could get the ball. I don't care where you're from, you've been shown, you just down want to see it.

            Yes, you're dense. Very.
            I don't give a rip about what he did in a workout. I want to see it in a game situation. He has not done that at all. I will repeat, I do not think the line will give him enough time to get the ball downfield.... I didn't see that pass to Wayne being that close. I saved the game, I will look at it again...

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            • OlBlu
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              • Dec 2011
              • 3288

              Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

              Originally posted by vapacersfan
              Our O-line was/is solid?

              25 years ago, maybe. Today, not so much.
              They aren't the "Hogs" but they are light years better than the Colts line. They have size and experience. I think you guys will do very well in the toughest division in football this year... Good luck to you.....

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              • OlBlu
                Banned
                • Dec 2011
                • 3288

                Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                Originally posted by idioteque
                All quarterbacks can throw it a long way, lol. Even Jeff George and Trent Dilfer could throw bombs. Lots not pretend like that's some redeeming characteristic for NFL QB's.
                Jeff George had one of the best arms of any QB to ever play the game but he has a five cent head. Not all NFL QBs can throw the long ball with accuracy. Some can even win a number of games with the short game but when defenses discover that the recievers are not even trying to get downfield and most passes will be 15 yards or less, they will start packing that middle and daring them to go deep. Sooner or later, Luck will have to prove he can do that. He hasn't yet but that doesn't mean that he never will. You need time for a receiver to come open for a long pass. Luck isn't getting it. RGIII was...

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                • OlBlu
                  Banned
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 3288

                  Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                  [QUOTE=Sollozzo;1496276]There's no quote because no one has ever said that.

                  I get that you will always be bent at Irsay because he cut Peyton, but calling him the worst owner in the NFL is just silly. Look how the Colts have flourished since 1997 when he took over. Beautiful new stadium in the heart of the city. Brilliant marketing all over the state which built up the fan base. A great on the field product for most of the years that he has been owner. Two Super Bowl appearances, one victory. Having the presence of mind to let football people (Polian, Grigson) do the legwork.


                  I give up, there is no use trying to have a discussion with someone drunk on the Irsay koolaide.... I will say he got that new stadium because the city and state knew he would move to LA in a heartbeat if he didn't get it. That is a great owner? Irsay was blind lucky enough to have a team that was bad enough to draft Peyton Manning. Manning took a mediocre team (because Irsay would sign free agents) to a Super Bowl twice. I think that happen in spite of Irsay, not because of him but I drink Iced Tea......


                  There is nothing wrong with being a Colts fan but when one merely becomes a deaf, dumb and blind fanatic a bad owner will get away with highway robbery and that is exactly what nonColts fans think happened in Indy. I am somewhere in the middle of all of that....

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                  • Sollozzo
                    Member
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 27435

                    Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                    [QUOTE=OlBlu;1496294]
                    Originally posted by Sollozzo
                    There's no quote because no one has ever said that.

                    I get that you will always be bent at Irsay because he cut Peyton, but calling him the worst owner in the NFL is just silly. Look how the Colts have flourished since 1997 when he took over. Beautiful new stadium in the heart of the city. Brilliant marketing all over the state which built up the fan base. A great on the field product for most of the years that he has been owner. Two Super Bowl appearances, one victory. Having the presence of mind to let football people (Polian, Grigson) do the legwork.


                    I give up, there is no use trying to have a discussion with someone drunk on the Irsay koolaide.... I will say he got that new stadium because the city and state knew he would move to LA in a heartbeat if he didn't get it. That is a great owner? Irsay was blind lucky enough to have a team that was bad enough to draft Peyton Manning. Manning took a mediocre team (because Irsay would sign free agents) to a Super Bowl twice. I think that happen in spite of Irsay, not because of him but I drink Iced Tea......


                    There is nothing wrong with being a Colts fan but when one merely becomes a deaf, dumb and blind fanatic a bad owner will get away with highway robbery and that is exactly what nonColts fans think happened in Indy. I am somewhere in the middle of all of that....

                    So I'm just a blind Colts homer because I don't agree that Irsay is the worst owner in the NFL?

                    Irsay has flaws. But there is no evidence to backup your assertion that he is the "worst" of 32 owners. None. Zip. You're the biased one here, not me. I would rank him somewhere in the middle. You OTOH will always despise Irsay because he cut your hero.

                    It's just laughable that you are trying to paint me out as being a "dumb and blind fanatic" because I don't think that he is the worst owner in the business.
                    Last edited by Sollozzo; 08-26-2012, 02:42 PM.

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                    • OlBlu
                      Banned
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 3288

                      Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                      Originally posted by xBulletproof
                      So now he can throw it long, but you question the accuracy. Go watch the video of the workout. He dropped it right into the receivers arms on a full sprint, but he dropped it. As for the throw yesterday, it was IN THE RECEIVERS HANDS, and was knocked out by the defender, how was it not accurate?

                      If you haven't seen an "NFL throw" from Luck you're just blind. He's made several throws in tight windows while the coverage was present, but put it where only the receiver could get the ball. I don't care where you're from, you've been shown, you just down want to see it.

                      Yes, you're dense. Very.

                      Dear Mods, I got an infraction for saying someone was not basketball knowledgable but someoe is allowed to call me dense with no issue. There is a serious double standard going on here....

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                      • OlBlu
                        Banned
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 3288

                        Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                        Originally posted by xBulletproof
                        I like how he keeps saying over and over that Luck can't throw a 50 yard pass, even though he threw one yesterday. Then he claims that someone else didn't actually watch the game. Of course, we also saw his 70 yard throw into the wind at his workout.

                        I've never seen someone so hard headed and dense in my life.
                        Dear mods, here it is again, hard headed and dense. Did this guy get an infraction? I am sure he didn't. If he did not, get off of my case....

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                        • PacerDude
                          It's just my opinion.
                          • May 2009
                          • 10049

                          Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                          Originally posted by OlBlu
                          Dear mods, here it is again, hard headed and dense. Did this guy get an infraction? I am sure he didn't. If he did not, get off of my case....
                          Oh good God ............. grow a pair - will ya ??

                          Wah-wah-wah.

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                          • OlBlu
                            Banned
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 3288

                            Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                            [QUOTE=Sollozzo;1496296]
                            Originally posted by OlBlu


                            So I'm just a blind Colts homer because I don't agree that Irsay is the worst owner in the NFL?

                            Irsay has flaws. But there is no evidence to backup your assertion that he is the "worst" of 32 owners. None. Zip. You're the biased one here, not me. I would rank him somewhere in the middle. You OTOH will always despise Irsay because he cut your hero.

                            It's just laughable that you are trying to paint me out as being a "dumb and blind fanatic" because I don't think that he is the worst owner in the business.
                            I hated Irsay and his father long before Jimmy cut Peyton. Did you watch Peyton against the 49ers today? Typical Peyton, he played one quarter, three possessions, 2 TDs and a FG, 10-12 passing, 122 yds and 2 TD passes. He didn't look washed up to me. Precision passes with lots of zip, even the sideline outs.... Luck may never have a quarter like that in his whole career........

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                            • Sollozzo
                              Member
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 27435

                              Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                              [QUOTE=OlBlu;1496352]
                              Originally posted by Sollozzo

                              I hated Irsay and his father long before Jimmy cut Peyton. Did you watch Peyton against the 49ers today? Typical Peyton, he played one quarter, three possessions, 2 TDs and a FG, 10-12 passing, 122 yds and 2 TD passes. He didn't look washed up to me. Precision passes with lots of zip, even the sideline outs.... Luck may never have a quarter like that in his whole career........
                              He looked good today.

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                              • LuckSwagger
                                Member
                                • Aug 2012
                                • 3583

                                Re: Luck vs Griffin - let it begin.

                                Yep, it took 3 games, but Manning finally managed to do what only took Luck one play: throwing a touchdown pass.

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