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  • #31
    Re: 2012 NFL Draft

    Originally posted by Ownagedood View Post
    Just want to confirm... I only saw highlights from Paganos interview... did he actually say we will go to 3-4 or is it still speculation?
    He said if Mario Williams can make the transition to a 3-4 and have success then he things Freeney and Mathis can as well. But I would not be surprised to see them with their hands on the ground on a lot of plays as well.
    Why so SERIOUS

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    • #32
      Re: 2012 NFL Draft

      My guess is that he wants to run a bit of 4-3 and a bit of 3-4 like New England. With more emphasis on 4-3 right now until they get the correct players.

      I'm fine with that. I'm tired of this simple tampa-2 defense.

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      • #33
        Re: 2012 NFL Draft

        If Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson, is on the board at the top of the second, do the Colts draft him instead of a CB/DT?
        First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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        • #34
          Re: 2012 NFL Draft

          Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
          If Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson, is on the board at the top of the second, do the Colts draft him instead of a CB/DT?
          He won't be there but if he is the best player then yes you take him especially if Manning is not back. ITs always good to have 2 really good TE's for a rookie QB see Cam Newton this year.

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          • #35
            Re: 2012 NFL Draft

            Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
            If Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson, is on the board at the top of the second, do the Colts draft him instead of a CB/DT?
            Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
            He won't be there but if he is the best player then yes you take him especially if Manning is not back. ITs always good to have 2 really good TE's for a rookie QB see Cam Newton this year.
            I think it all depends on who is left on the board, I think Dwayne Allen will slide to us in the 2nd, but if there is a NT there that is good then I think we grab him ahead of Allen, Fleener could drop to us in the 3rd as well, if not hopefully grab someone later.

            I do not know how good the DB's will be at this point there are some decent ones that are right there but all of them have some flaws.
            Why so SERIOUS

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            • #36
              Re: 2012 NFL Draft

              Originally posted by Really? View Post
              I think it all depends on who is left on the board, I think Dwayne Allen will slide to us in the 2nd, but if there is a NT there that is good then I think we grab him ahead of Allen, Fleener could drop to us in the 3rd as well, if not hopefully grab someone later.

              I do not know how good the DB's will be at this point there are some decent ones that are right there but all of them have some flaws.
              Yeah, I hope Allen slips, cause a TE is a good thing for a rookie QB.

              NT is a great option. I say if Allen isn't there, to try and trade down some, pick up another pick and select Poe or Ta'amu.
              First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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              • #37
                Re: 2012 NFL Draft

                Originally posted by Really? View Post
                I think it all depends on who is left on the board, I think Dwayne Allen will slide to us in the 2nd, but if there is a NT there that is good then I think we grab him ahead of Allen, Fleener could drop to us in the 3rd as well, if not hopefully grab someone later.

                I do not know how good the DB's will be at this point there are some decent ones that are right there but all of them have some flaws.
                Poe is the only nt worth taking in the second round and normaly the best te in the draft goes in the first round although last year was an exception. I doubt the colts go db in the second round in this draft but if someone slips that they like I wouldn't be suprised if they took him.

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                • #38
                  Re: 2012 NFL Draft

                  Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                  Yeah, I hope Allen slips, cause a TE is a good thing for a rookie QB.

                  NT is a great option. I say if Allen isn't there, to try and trade down some, pick up another pick and select Poe or Ta'amu.
                  Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                  Poe is the only nt worth taking in the second round and normaly the best te in the draft goes in the first round although last year was an exception. I doubt the colts go db in the second round in this draft but if someone slips that they like I wouldn't be suprised if they took him.
                  Yeah I think the combine will really affect Allens selection, when there is a player in a season that just dominates like Gronkowski has teams always want to find the next one, I think this is the big thing he has going for him, but this draft seems to be pretty good, so I could see him slipping to the 2nd depending on what time he runs in the 40 and how much he benches.

                  Poe is exactly who I was thinking about, and trading could work, but there should be a ton of value with that pick, CB would be interesting if we could get a really good man cover guy, I think we will probably use a lot more man with this new defense than before. Some have talked about the CB from Virginia.

                  Also I would love to get Ray Ray Armstrong in the 3rd, I think that would be a steal, and to have him grow under Pagano seems like it would be a big positive.
                  Why so SERIOUS

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                  • #39
                    Re: 2012 NFL Draft

                    Originally posted by Really? View Post
                    Yeah I think the combine will really affect Allens selection, when there is a player in a season that just dominates like Gronkowski has teams always want to find the next one, I think this is the big thing he has going for him, but this draft seems to be pretty good, so I could see him slipping to the 2nd depending on what time he runs in the 40 and how much he benches.

                    Poe is exactly who I was thinking about, and trading could work, but there should be a ton of value with that pick, CB would be interesting if we could get a really good man cover guy, I think we will probably use a lot more man with this new defense than before. Some have talked about the CB from Virginia.

                    Also I would love to get Ray Ray Armstrong in the 3rd, I think that would be a steal, and to have him grow under Pagano seems like it would be a big positive.
                    Ray Ray is staying in school for another year. He was a guy that I wanted too.
                    First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                    • #40
                      Re: 2012 NFL Draft

                      Originally posted by Really? View Post
                      I think it all depends on who is left on the board, I think Dwayne Allen will slide to us in the 2nd, but if there is a NT there that is good then I think we grab him ahead of Allen, Fleener could drop to us in the 3rd as well, if not hopefully grab someone later.

                      I do not know how good the DB's will be at this point there are some decent ones that are right there but all of them have some flaws.
                      Not a chance in hell Allen will be there. The Bears might draft him if he is still on the board at #19. If Floyd and other WRs and the LBs and OL that the Bears want arent there Allen would be the pick IMO. Allen IMO will be a pro bowler as a rookie he has special talent.

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                      • #41
                        Re: 2012 NFL Draft

                        Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                        Not a chance in hell Allen will be there. The Bears might draft him if he is still on the board at #19. If Floyd and other WRs and the LBs and OL that the Bears want arent there Allen would be the pick IMO. Allen IMO will be a pro bowler as a rookie he has special talent.
                        That sounds like a lot needs to happen for them to take him, lol...

                        But as I said I think a lot has to do with how he does at the Combine, I have seen multiple Mock drafts that project him anywhere from late-mid first round, to mid second round.

                        As a matter of fact in his first Mock Mel Kiper doesn't have him even going in the 1st, so I say there is a chance that he slips.
                        Why so SERIOUS

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                        • #42
                          Re: 2012 NFL Draft

                          Mel's Mock just for conversation:

                          2012 NFL Mock Draft 1.0
                          With all draft-eligible players declared, Mel kicks off draft season with his first mock
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                          By Mel Kiper
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                          With the intentions of all juniors and draft-eligible sophomores now officially declared (noted by *), it's finally time for a first look at how the 2012 NFL draft could play out. There will be a number of shifts over the next three-plus months as teams get to take a close look at prospects, physical skills are matched against the tape, measurements on height and weight are confirmed and medicals come in. A few notes:

                          • My Big Board gives a glimpse at how I value players as prospects, but mock drafts also involve what teams and scouts are telling me regarding their assessments, and how needs align with value.
                          • The position next to a player is where I see him lining up for that team. A college defensive end could easily shift to outside linebacker, and so on.
                          • I can't reflect possible trades. For instance, I'll keep St. Louis at No. 2 even if speculation persists it could trade down.

                          Lastly, a few positions could move as coin flips determine draft spots for teams that had the same record during the season. Plenty will change, but it's time to get draft season kicked off. Read the basis for the pick, and love it or hate it, as always, let me know.

                          More Kiper NFL draft content:
                          Mock Draft 1.0 | Latest Big Board | Positional Ranks | Regrading the 2011 draft

                          Indianapolis ColtsRecord: 2-14* Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
                          We don't know yet who will be coaching the Colts in 2012 and we don't know who will be starting at quarterback, but I have a pretty good hunch Luck will be on the roster. I've said it before: He's the best quarterback prospect I've evaluated since John Elway, which also makes him a player who should be ready to start in Week 1 if the Colts do part ways with Peyton Manning. As a college player, Luck thinks and reads the game at an advanced level, can make adjustments on the fly and call plays and audibles at a remarkably high level for his age. He throws well moving left or right, keeps his eyes down the field and gets through progressions and into checkdowns extremely well. Nobody expects an easy transition for a rookie signal-caller, but Luck has the tools to make the transition easier than most.

                          St. Louis RamsRecord: 2-14* Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma St.
                          There's a clear value question here, because I think St. Louis could leverage this position to trade down for more picks for 2012 and into the future, and then still target Blackmon perhaps a few spots later. But if the Rams can't find a dance partner for a trade, Blackmon still represents precisely what this offense needs. Sam Bradford took a step back in 2011, but he got little help, and Blackmon is a big target, a great route runner and a workaholic who could transition and learn the pro game quickly. St. Louis also could try to shore up an offensive line that took a step back, but Blackmon right now represents the top wide receiver in the draft and fills a big need for the Rams. It should be noted there are a number of teams drafting behind St. Louis that need an elite wide receiver.

                          Minnesota VikingsRecord: 3-13* Matt Kalil, OT, USC
                          The Vikings are another team with a young quarterback, and while they could use a target such as Blackmon in the offense, they also really need to shore up their protection. You see a lot of left tackles drafted and moved to the right side as they transition into the NFL -- Tyron Smith with Dallas last year is a recent case -- but Kalil has big-time talent and could start on the left side early. I don't think the comparisons to Jake Long are too far off. Athletic, with long arms, great feet and deceptive power given an athletic frame, Kalil also could land at No. 2.

                          Cleveland BrownsRecord: 4-12* Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
                          If a team moves ahead of the Browns for Griffin, they also could be in play for Blackmon, or even the guy I have at No. 5, Trent Richardson. However, the questions on Colt McCoy's ceiling as a starting NFL quarterback are getting louder, and if the Browns don't go after a solution such as Matt Flynn, a quarterback certainly could be in play here. Griffin made big strides this past season, particularly with his deep accuracy. He is a big-time athlete at the quarterback position but has developed a very good pocket presence and the ability to read the game, and his big arm comes with a nice touch on intermediate throws. He is a leader and has intangibles that should really impress evaluators during the draft process.

                          Tampa Bay BuccaneersRecord: 5-11* Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
                          Don't simply dismiss the idea that Richardson could land here because of the presence of LaGarrette Blount. For one, we know that if you want a potent running game in the NFL, it can't be built simply around one running back. The reality of injuries is too much of a constant to overlook. Secondly, are the Bucs ready to commit to a longer deal with Blount after the 2012 season? Bottom line, the idea can't be dismissed from a team-building standpoint, and that's before you get to what kind of a player Richardson is. A physical freak, he is extraordinarily powerful, explodes from contact, has lower mileage than many third-year studs because he split carries as a freshman and sophomore with Mark Ingram and has developed as a pass-catcher. Richardson is a first-year impact player.


                          Washington RedskinsRecord: 5-11* Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
                          While the "Honey Badger," Tyrann Mathieu, piled up the headlines at LSU, the best cornerback on the team was quietly dominant all season. Currently a top-five player on my Big Board, Claiborne is the top cornerback in the draft. He has good length at 6-foot-1 and is a physical player at more than 180 pounds. The Redskins will need help at corner headed into 2012, particularly in a division in which the Giants, Cowboys and Eagles have elite talent at wide receiver. While not quite the athlete, Claiborne is actually a better pure cover corner than Patrick Peterson, the No. 5 overall pick from last year.

                          Jacksonville JaguarsRecord: 5-11Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
                          The Jags desperately need help at wide receiver, but they also really need help in the pass rush. They got to opposing quarterbacks less than two times a game in 2011, and Coples would fit the scheme as the current top 4-3 defensive end in the draft. Coples has great length at 6-foot-6, and while he has excellent skills as a pass-rusher, he also has the size to hold up in the run game. He doesn't quite have the athleticism of former North Carolina star Julius Peppers but should be able to upgrade the Jacksonville pass rush immediately, and guys with his size and skills aren't that easy to find.

                          Carolina PanthersRecord: 6-10* Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
                          Were they to line up Kirkpatrick across from Chris Gamble, the Panthers would have a pair of corners with elite size and talent in a divison in which you can't have enough good corners. Opponents completed a hair less than 65 percent of their passes against the weak Carolina secondary in 2011, and Kirkpatrick can provide an immediate upgrade. He has elite size for the position, at 6-foot-3 and nearly 200 pounds, but doesn't give much away in cover skills. Kirkpatrick has some off-the-field questions that could hurt his stock, but reserving judgement for now, he'd be a fit here.

                          Miami DolphinsRecord: 6-10* Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
                          The Dolphins made big improvments to the offensive line last year with their first-round pick, and Reiff would offer them an immediate starter and make the offensive line a big strength. Reiff's tape was exceptional this past season, and he has a lot of experience and a proven ability against top competition. The Dolphins were very close to being a good team in 2011, and I do think they can target a player on offense, although help at outside linebacker also makes sense. The Dolphins could be another team looking for options at quarterback, but even if they go into the season with Matt Moore back as starter, Reiff adds further stability to an offense that could continue to improve.

                          Buffalo BillsRecord: 6-10Courtney Upshaw, LB, Alabama
                          Buffalo did well when it drafted Alabama defensive tackle Marcell Dareus with its first pick last year, but the pass rush still needs a lot of help. Upshaw is currently the best 3-4 outside linebacker in the draft, and he should be able to apply a lot of pressure to opposing quarterbacks from the edge for whoever gets him for 2012. No Buffalo player had more than 5.5 sacks in 2011, and the Bills simply can't get enough pressure without bringing extra players. Upshaw is a part of the solution. This is a big-time talent, a player who already was making an impact at Alabama as a freshman. He'll follow a similar path as a pro.

                          Kansas City ChiefsRecord: 7-9Devon Still, DT, Penn St.
                          Romeo Crennel could use a disruptive interior line presence in his system, and Still can be a penetrator in the 3-4, capable of occupying blockers and making plays in against the run while also splitting gaps against the pass. He came on in 2011 at Penn State and should help this defense up front, as the Chiefs also get Eric Berry back in the secondary in 2012. With this kind of reinforcement, the Chiefs have a chance to become an upper-echelon defense going forward, something they showed glimpses of this past season.

                          Seattle SeahawksRecord: 7-9Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina
                          The Seahawks have quietly made major strides in overhauling the roster and finding solutions to grow with in the past two years. Last year, they targeted offensive linemen early, and with the addition of Sidney Rice and Doug Baldwin, also have good talent at wide receiver. Even banged up at O-line, they ran the ball with some effectiveness. Obviously, quarterback remains a big question, but that's not something they can target at this spot in the draft. What they can do is add a final piece to a defense that is young, fast and extremely good in the secondary. The linebacking corps was strengthened by the emergence of K.J. Wright. So the work is up front and at defensive end for a team that was just 23rd in the NFL last year in sack percentage. Ingram is just big enough to fit this system as a 4-3 defensive end, and should add a boost to the pass rush early.

                          Arizona CardinalsRecord: 8-8* Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
                          The Cardinals need to mend the offensive line -- they haven't drafted an offensive lineman before the fifth round since 2007 -- and Martin is an athletic, powerful left tackle who can help upgrade this unit immediately. While questions remain about what the Cardinals have at the quarterback position after they committed so much both in terms of value and dollars to Kevin Kolb, there's no question they have to be better up front regardless of who takes the snaps. Again, that's a long time to go without getting some talent up front early in a draft. Martin would be a solid value here.

                          Dallas CowboysRecord: 8-8* David DeCastro, OG, Stanford
                          Last year, the Cowboys got Tyron Smith at No. 9 overall, and that pick helped them turn over the offensive line. The results were pretty good in 2011. With DeCastro, the Cowboys have a chance to solidify the interior of the line, helping both the running game and protection for Tony Romo and make that unit a strength. The way I see it, the Cowboys have good pieces in place at every other spot on the offense. The talent at wide receiver and tight end is fine, Romo was quietly among the top-performing quarterbacks and there's plenty at running back. Doubling down on the O-line should be an option for Jerry Jones. If the value is there, Dallas could also target the secondary.

                          Philadelphia EaglesRecord: 8-8* Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College
                          The Eagles were really weak up the middle in 2011, and Kuechly is the top interior linebacker available in the draft. Since Brian Dawkins departed, safety has also been a perpetual question mark, so I could see that being considered here. But in Kuechly you get a player who can fill a massive void in the defense. He's a guy who can come in and start immediately; he's got exceptional instincts, is a very good athlete, demonstrates great form and can fly around making tackles in the middle of the field. He's just a machine. Last year, few teams were forced to utilize lesser talent at linebacker than Philly, and Kuechly can help fix that problem.

                          New York JetsRecord: 8-8Mark Barron, S, Alabama
                          Last year the Jets targeted help up front in the first round, and while the pass rush still needs some work, the secondary is a big concern because of the way the Jets' safeties got abused this year. You'd see teams lining up bigger receivers in the slot to target New York's smaller safeties and force Rex Ryan to make some tough decisions in coverage. In Barron, the Jets would get the best safety in the draft, a big, rangy talent with big-game experience and the ability to match up against taller receivers and tight ends. The Jets have schemed around a weakness at safety, but it's time to put a better talent back there.

                          Cincinnati Bengals (from Oakland)Record: 8-8Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
                          It says a lot about last year's draft that Cincinnati can put the focus back on defense with one of its first-round picks in 2012. Dennard is a solid, physical cover corner who would offer a talent upgrade in the secondary. The Bengals could go a few directions here, but after getting a decent year out of veteran Nate Clements, they should look at getting a younger player who can develop even as he helps early. Dennard fits the bill.

                          San Diego ChargersRecord: 8-8Cordy Glenn, OG, Georgia
                          The Chargers fell apart up front this past season, mostly due to injury, and Glenn is one of those really attractive picks who can help you immediately because he can play pretty much everywhere. That's what he did during his time at Georgia, as a dominating guard who also has worked on the edge at a high level. Glenn is a safe pick, and the Chargers simply must do something up front to help Philip Rivers get comfortable again. He struggled in 2011, but his problems started up front.

                          Chicago BearsRecord: 8-8Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
                          If the Bears learned anything when Jay Cutler went down this season, it was that the offense wasn't very pretty without him. But Cutler also needs help. Last year, Chicago had to start up front because the offensive line was such a weakness. But as the Bears anticipate getting some healthy bodies back up front to start 2012, they now must find some help for Cutler at wide receiver. The current group has some speed, but he could use a big target, and Floyd can be that guy. He has a big frame, but Floyd actually dropped some weight for the 2011 season, and he managed to look quicker and more explosive in and out of his breaks without giving up much as a physical receiver. He'd be a nice option in this offense and a threat in the red zone.

                          Tennessee TitansRecord: 9-7* Nick Perry, DE, USC
                          He started as a freshman at Southern Cal, and it's because he is just a natural pass-rusher. This season, he added to his repertoire, and he can help a team early as a pass-rushing specialist in a 4-3 defense. Tennessee's pass rush was really bad this season; the Titans got to opposing quarterbacks on just 4.52 percent of drop-backs, a rate that was 31st in the NFL. Perry probably could add some bulk to his frame, but his instincts as a pass-rusher are in place and the Titans certainly need the help.

                          Cincinnati BengalsRecord: 9-7* Lamar Miller, RB, Miami (Fla.)
                          Cedric Benson has been serviceable for the Bengals, but they desperately need to add some explosiveness in the run game. Even with what I considered an underrated offensive line, the Bengals managed just 3.9 yards per rush attempt this season. With solutions now in place in the passing game, they are one of the teams that can afford to take a shot on a potentially elite running back in the first or second round. Miller can run inside but also break off the big run, something the Bengals never got with Benson.

                          Cleveland Browns (from Atlanta)Record: 4-12Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
                          Quietly, Wright had a season that almost matched Blackmon's in the Big 12. The Browns might not end up with Griffin with the No. 4 pick, but his teammate would make a lot of sense here. Greg Little is a developing big target and had a pretty good rookie season given the overall performance of the Cleveland offense. Wright is smaller at about 5-10, 190 pounds, but could add a speed threat this offense really needs. He can beat teams over the top with straight-line speed but also works underneath and will do a lot of damage after the catch. The Browns need weapons, and Wright, who also has great hands, fits the profile.

                          Detroit LionsRecord: 10-6Zach Brown, LB, North Carolina
                          Detroit again will go into the 2012 season with perhaps the best front four in the NFL. Martin Mayhew and Jim Schwartz calculated well that the secondary would make strides after being such a weakness in previous seasons. Where the Lions could use help is at linebacker, and Brown would be a good fit. Brown has great instincts as a rangy tackler, and he has a lot of speed and can run with tight ends. I certainly can see the Lions looking for help on the offensive line at this spot, but if a top tackle doesn't fall to them here, Brown makes sense.

                          Pittsburgh SteelersRecord: 12-4* Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis
                          Dick LeBeau can do a lot of things, but he can't scheme around age. The Steelers were very good on defense this season, but they simply have to get younger, particularly up front, if they want to maintain it. Poe has risen a lot for me in terms of value, but he's also a rarity, that zero-technique centerpiece to a 3-4 defense, the guy who simply eats up tacklers and is a human wall in the run game. If he develops, Poe can be the heir to Casey Hampton in the middle of that scheme, a human boulder who will free up those linebackers.

                          Denver BroncosRecord: 8-8* Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi St.
                          Denver had some really good stretches on defense, particularly in the pass rush, but the Broncos weren't very consistent and the numbers were a little worse than people might realize. The pass rush is there on the outside, but Cox is a guy who can penetrate and get tackles for loss from the inside. The Broncos could go a few ways, including receiver if they see a value, or perhaps corner. But the way the board falls here, Cox would be a good fit for a defense that better be elite as the offense attempts to find consistency.

                          Houston TexansRecord: 10-6* Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
                          When Andre Johnson was lost for a long stretch this season, it didn't totally derail the Houston offense. What it did do was severely hamper the Texans' play-action game, which can be simply devastating with the combination of a steady run game and the presence of Matt Schaub. In that scheme, the Texans can pile up chunk yardage with the pass, and Sanu is the type of guy who can stretch the field and be a huge threat across from Johnson. And when you consider that Johnson will be 31 entering the 2012 season, the Texans need this kind of presence around if he misses any more time. Sanu is hugely productive, creates space, has good speed and can contribute early.

                          New England Patriots (from Saints)Record: 13-3* Michael Brockers, DL, LSU
                          The Patriots have a pair of picks in the first round, and my guess is they'll look to get younger on the defensive line and work to add some pieces to a pass rush. That was something they really didn't address in last year's draft, but as creative and resourceful as they are, it might be time. Brockers could end up a lot higher than this when the evaluation process is over because his reputation is growing. I list him simply as a defensive lineman because the Pats could use him in a couple of different ways up front in that scheme. What he can do is add explosiveness on the interior -- he's a pentrator with the ability to dominate if left to a single blocker, which frees people up.

                          Green Bay PackersRecord: 15-1Whitney Mercilus, LB, Illinois
                          It was masked somewhat by reputation, but no team in the NFL had a lower sack rate than Green Bay during the regular season. And it was on display again in the playoffs -- the Packers simply can't create pressure without bringing blitzers, leaving the secondary vulnerable. Mercilus (pronounced "merciless") played to that description at Illinois this past season. I see him standing up as an outside linebacker after playing with his hand on the ground in college. At 6-foot-4, 265 pounds, he has a good profile for the position, and he really knows how to get to the quarterback. The question on him is he really exploded this season, so the body of work is lighter than some, but the Packers need to find some pass-rush help and Mercilus is a good value here based on his current grade.

                          New York GiantsRecord: 9-7Zebrie Sanders, OT, Florida St.
                          The Giants have done a fantastic job of coaching up this offensive line after some big changes heading into the season, but they could get younger and add some talent, and Sanders would be a solid fit. This offense is going to be dynamic if it can open holes for the run game and provide time for Eli Manning, so an investment in the offensive line is never a bad idea.

                          Baltimore RavensRecord: 12-4* Vontaze Burfict, LB, Arizona St.
                          He's been drawing comparisons to Ray Lewis since he got to Tempe, and hopefully Lewis will be around for another year to mentor Burfict. But either way, the Ravens have to consider what they'll do, as retirement talk now is a reality for their legendary linebacker, and Burfict is the kind of player who could develop into a star in his own right in that defense. He is instinctive and rangy, and plays with an edge. He developed a bit of a reputation as a guy who was prone to the personal foul, but if he channels that energy, Burfict could be a very good one. He has a ton of experience as an immediate freshman starter and reads the game pretty well.

                          San Francisco 49ersRecord: 13-3* Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
                          The 49ers got much better production out of the offense this season, but I still see a need for a big target on the outside, something Braylon Edwards wasn't able to provide. Jeffery is an absolute beast, a guy who plays at more than 230 pounds and easily could top 6-foot-4 when he measures out. He goes up over corners and attacks the ball, catching it away from his body like a rebounder. The Niners struggled mightily in the red zone all season, and Jeffery might not be a burner but is the kind of player you can post up in the end zone to help solve that problem.

                          New England PatriotsRecord: 13-3Andre Branch, LB, Clemson
                          A defensive end at the college level, Branch would convert to outside linebacker and add some immediate help to the New England pass rush. He racked up 10.5 sacks this past season and has a 6-foot-5, 260-pound frame, a good physical fit for the transition. Branch also has the athleticism to be more than a pure pass-rusher, as he should be able to develop into a well-rounded OLB under Bill Belichick.
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                          • #43
                            Re: 2012 NFL Draft

                            Here is a look at some WR that could be had in the 3rd round or later. Personally I think the Colts will take a wr in this draft and its an interesting group to consider especially since a lot of these guys are big and a few are really fast and could help out in the return game.

                            First up Ty Hilton from Flordia International. He is a 5'10 184 lb speedster and he makes some awesome NFL catches. He would be perfect slot reciever and instant upgrade for the punt and kick off returns. He had 72 catches last year for 1038 yards and 7 tds also rushing for 124 yds and 1 td.

                            He's a poor mans DeSean Jackson but you can watch a little bit here

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYmbK...layer_embedded

                            Next up Tommy Streeter of the "U". He is a 6'4 215 lb wr and my hunch is that he will be the fastest big reciever in this draft. Its been rumored that he has ran a sub 4.4 and at that size he will no doubt rank higher in this draft if he can do it in the combine.

                            Streeter is still raw but he would be perfect in the play action pass and is a solid post threat to stretch defenses.

                            He had 46 rec for 811 yds and 8 tds.

                            Stephen Hill is another big wide receiver although GT system certainly didn't help him put up bigger numbers he still managed 820 yds on 28 catches which is very impressive.

                            Hill is a big strong WR measuring in at 6'4 206 lbs and he can also block for the running. Like Streeter he is raw but is a big target and a just like Streeter his 40ty time will determine if he goes in the 5th round or in the 3rd.

                            Another big WR is Marvin McNutt at 6'3 215 he is one the more polished route runners in this draft. He's big and able to make difficult catches like this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqLTl...layer_embedded

                            Production wise there isn't much you could complain about catching 81 passes for 1315 yds and 12 tds. Overall he will be a good possession reciever that will be hard to bring down.

                            This is defiantly the year of big wr and another one is Marvin Jones. At 6'2 and 200 lbs he is a polished route runner but he has probably the best at making the circus catch with a db drapped all over him.

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boy0t...layer_embedded

                            He suffered a knee injury at the senior bowl so is draft stock might slip if he can't run a 40ty.

                            Overall I think the Colts need a change at the WR position and bring in some bigger guys who can be dominate in the run blocking game and bring a different dimension to Garcon, Collie and Wayne.
                            Last edited by Gamble1; 02-01-2012, 06:53 PM.

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                            • #44
                              Re: 2012 NFL Draft

                              Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                              Here is a look at some WR that could be had in the 3rd round or later. Personally I think the Colts will take a wr in this draft and its an interesting group to consider especially since a lot of these guys are big and a few are really fast and could help out in the return game.

                              First up Ty Hilton from Flordia International. He is a 5'10 184 lb speedster and he makes some awesome NFL catches. He would be perfect slot reciever and instant upgrade for the punt and kick off returns. He had 72 catches last year for 1038 yards and 7 tds also rushing for 124 yds and 1 td.

                              He's a poor mans DeSean Jackson but you can watch a little bit here

                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYmbK...layer_embedded

                              Next up Tommy Streeter of the "U". He is a 6'4 215 lb wr and my hunch is that he will be the fastest big reciever in this draft. Its been rumored that he has ran a sub 4.4 and at that size he will no doubt rank higher in this draft if he can do it in the combine.

                              Streeter is still raw but he would be perfect in the play action pass and is a solid post threat to stretch defenses.

                              He had 46 rec for 811 yds and 8 tds.

                              Stephen Hill is another big wide receiver although GT system certainly didn't help him put up bigger numbers he still managed 820 yds on 28 catches which is very impressive.

                              Hill is a big strong WR measuring in at 6'4 206 lbs and he can also block for the running. Like Streeter he is raw but is a big target and a just like Streeter his 40ty time will determine if he goes in the 5th round or in the 3rd.

                              Another big WR is Marvin McNutt at 6'3 215 he is one the more polished route runners in this draft. He's big and able to make difficult catches like this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqLTl...layer_embedded

                              Production wise there isn't much you could complain about catching 81 passes for 1315 yds and 12 tds. Overall he will be a good possession reciever that will be hard to bring down.

                              This is defiantly the year of big wr and another one is Marvin Jones. At 6'2 and 200 lbs he is a polished route runner but he has probably the best at making the circus catch with a db drapped all over him.

                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boy0t...layer_embedded

                              He suffered a knee injury at the senior bowl so is draft stock might slip if he can't run a 40ty.

                              Overall I think the Colts need a change at the WR position and bring in some bigger guys who can be dominate in the run blocking game and bring a different dimension to Garcon, Collie and Wayne.
                              Yeah, I think the only two that would be worth a 3rd would be McNutt and Ty possibly, Streeter from what I have seen is to unsure of a pass catcher, tons of potential but I would not take the chance.

                              Personally I would rather take a different position in the 3rd, but I would like to grab Eric Page later in the draft, he could be a steal he is 5'10" as well but plays bigger than his size.

                              Has some Steve Smith in him.


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                              • #45
                                Re: 2012 NFL Draft

                                So while RG III is stealing the show at the Combine, most people seem to be overlooking how well Luck is doing.

                                Cam Newton was the big QB/athlete last year and he has very similar numbers to Luck. Excited to see he has that athletic ability. RG III is just a freak athlete.

                                NEWTON

                                40Y Dash 4.59

                                Vert 35 in

                                Broad Jump 10'5"

                                LUCK

                                40Y Dash 4.59

                                Vert 36 in

                                Broad Jump 10'4"

                                RGIII is very interesting but Luck is more so the Brady/ Rodgers type so i tend to side with him in the pros.
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