Colts plan to draft Luck, sources say

[xBulletproof]

Re: Colts plan to draft Luck, sources say

It doesn't mean that's the only outcome he can wrap his mind around, it's the only one you prepare for. If you prepare for anything else you're potentially screwing yourself for the next dozen years.

Why would you prepare for the best, and not the worst? It's the only way a logical GM should proceed. Even if it's 50/50 that he comes back, then what are the odds he plays like old Peyton? Then beyond that, what are the odds that he has another flare up that shortens his career in the end anyway?

50/50 is only that he will play again. You add in all the other factors and what are the odds he plays like he used to? What are the odds he plays 2 years even? Then things obviously start to sway to less than 50/50.

[Since86]

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You've got to start looking at who is giving the 50/50 prediction.


No one with any knowledge on the situation has given those odds. Only the blowhards that think their opinion actually means something. That's why I laugh when some "expert" puts his neck on the line with a 50/50 predicament.

They are clueless about what's actually going on, but instead of simply saying "I don't know, we have to wait and see" they offer up some wishy-washy opinion that can go either direction.

But then when someone who offers up such a weak position, it's latched on too like it's an educated opinion.

It isn't.

[Bball]

Re: Colts plan to draft Luck, sources say

Irsay, when asked if he knew if Peyton would be able to play again answered "I don't..."

Who else do you want to ignore? Medical opinions don't matter to you no matter how much a doctor knows about this type of injury and surgery. People who've spoken with Manning and didn't come away with a rosy picture are blowhards.

If Irsay can't answer any more positively than that, then you're going to be hard pressed to get me to believe the team will be preparing to move forward as if Manning will be under center next season and for several more.

[Since86]

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On Thursday, Colts owner Jim Irsay told NFL Network that he could not foresee a scenario in which Manning would play anywhere but Indianapolis unless he can't play at all.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-nfl-report-20111223,0,3380099.story

Yeah, you're right. Jim Irsay has been contradicting my position.......


Saying "I don't know if he will be back" isn't the same thing as saying "he won't be back" but yet that's what you're arguing.

Go back and reread what I've actually said. You'll notice that I haven't said PM is gonna be back. You'll notice that I said it's 50/50 whether he will, and that you're only concerned with what happens if he isn't.

It's quite odd that Sollozzo and I can agree on the same points, you thank Sollozzo for agreeing with me, and then turn around and keep arguing that PM wont.

[xBulletproof]

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Saying "I don't know if he will be back" isn't the same thing as saying "he won't be back" but yet that's what you're arguing.

If you don't know, then you should prepare in a manner that is consistent with how you would prepare with him not coming back for sure. I'm not sure what's confusing about that. By all involved it should just be considered a bonus if he can.

That's what I believe he's arguing. Nobody as far as I've seen is saying he won't be back outside of an implication that I'm not sure you took the way it was intended, but you keep harping on the idea that everyone is saying he certainly won't be back. I'm not sure where the confusion is here, either. By saying things are uncertain, means they are claiming they know? Odd.

[Bball]

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http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...,3380099.story

Yeah, you're right. Jim Irsay has been contradicting my position.......


Saying "I don't know if he will be back" isn't the same thing as saying "he won't be back" but yet that's what you're arguing.

Go back and reread what I've actually said. You'll notice that I haven't said PM is gonna be back. You'll notice that I said it's 50/50 whether he will, and that you're only concerned with what happens if he isn't.

It's quite odd that Sollozzo and I can agree on the same points, you thank Sollozzo for agreeing with me, and then turn around and keep arguing that PM wont.

xbulletproof has got exactly what I'm saying... and Adam too... You just keep coming at this from some crazy angle like we're all fools to think the Colts more likely than not will be moving on from Peyton... let alone that we don't like 50-50 odds when it comes to spinal surgery and a QB returning to form let alone playing again. And that is ignoring that plenty of experts don't like Manning's chances of a total recovery because total recoveries would be the exception and not the rule. But there are exceptions and Manning could be one.

So the odds are not with Manning being part of the Colts long term plans. The only place I might differ at all is that I think Irsay will move mountains to try and keep Manning (if he can play) for another year with Luck as his backup. But without a lot of radical thinking, cap maneuvering, and give and take I just don't see how that will be viable. If that radical thinking and maneuvering can't have the Colts as legitimate contenders next season then Manning is not going to want to be part of it.

50-50 is not the odds you want to be building the future of your team on.

[Ownagedood]

Eli has a ring and the Chargers are in crapper. How is that a win for SD?

In fact, that example is the perfect counter to your argument.

Giants Defense was kind of a big deal.. also had a great run game. Eli is pretty good, but Rivers isn't much worse. Then throw in a guy who was a dominant LB for a couple years and a solid kicker, id take the Chargers deal anyday. Let's not turn this into a ring thing, Peyton only has one and we all know he's better than that. Its a team game, even the best QBs can't do it themselves. I like Eli much better than Rivers, but I'm just sayin, I much prefer to recieve a very good QB, very good LB (tho short lived) and solid kicker( an extra throw in) for a very good QB.. everyday of the week.

[Gamble1]

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Giants Defense was kind of a big deal.. also had a great run game. Eli is pretty good, but Rivers isn't much worse. Then throw in a guy who was a dominant LB for a couple years and a solid kicker, id take the Chargers deal anyday. Let's not turn this into a ring thing, Peyton only has one and we all know he's better than that. Its a team game, even the best QBs can't do it themselves. I like Eli much better than Rivers, but I'm just sayin, I much prefer to recieve a very good QB, very good LB (tho short lived) and solid kicker( an extra throw in) for a very good QB.. everyday of the week.

The difference between Eli and Rivers coming into the draft wasn't that great and thats why your comparison doesn't work. Also the chargers had one of the best rushing teams and team defenses when the Giants made their run as well though I agree it shouldn't come down to a ring argument.

If the cost of picking Luck is only 6 million then take it and run. Theres no reason to get greedy and expect everything to shake out like the Chargers deal did.

[Suaveness]

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=As9uwkGb6oHRVzHYJkBBhO05nYcB?slug=ap-colts-manning

NEW ORLEANS (AP)—Archie Manning says Peyton Manning was disappointed that Bill Polian was let go during the Indianapolis Colts’ leadership shake-up but remains committed to coming back next season.

The elder Manning spoke after presenting the Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year awards at a hotel in the French Quarter ahead of Monday night’s BCS title game between LSU and Alabama.

Archie Manning says Peyton Manning’s priority is his health, and the quarterback hasn’t given much thought to how the upheaval in Indianapolis will affect him. Manning missed the entire season after a third operation on his neck.

The father of the Colts’ quarterback also said “without a doubt” that Manning and Andrew Luck could co-exist if Indianapolis chooses the Stanford quarterback in the NFL draft.

The Colts have the first overall pick after finishing 2-14 this season.

[RWB]

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I also don't know what kind of compromise Irsay could possibly present to get Manning to return to the Colts for one more year.

This makes the most sense to me. Irsay is not going to pass on luck and I think he will sit down with Peyton out of respect and discuss what he can do to make the best of the situation. I also suspect he will offer Peyton whatever job in the organization Peyton desires when Peyton is ready to call it quits.

[Sollozzo]

Re: Colts plan to draft Luck, sources say

Mortensen: Irsay will never trade Manning.

https://twitter.com/#!/mortreport/status/156052304129298432

If you believe Mortensen, and there's good reason to given that he has a good relationship with Polian and has always been privy to insider Colts info, then trading Manning is not an option.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if Polian himself gave Mort that piece of info.

If Manning really does look like he can play next season, I think Irsay is going to try to find a way to keep both Manning and Luck. Whether he could actually convince both parties to go along with it remains to be seen. I'm skeptical on that. Like Since said, no one really knows how this is going to end and who knows what kind of twists and turns will happen along the way. Regardless of what happens, it will be fascinating to see how this ends.

This story is going to be on the local media's back burner for the next few weeks because all they are going to be doing is hyping the Super Bowl. But the moment the Super Bowl is over, the attention will immediately shift to the looming situation with Manning.

[RWB]

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Mortensen: Irsay will never trade Manning.

https://twitter.com/#!/mortreport/status/156052304129298432

If you believe Mortensen, and there's good reason to given that he has a good relationship with Polian and has always been privy to insider Colts info, then trading Manning is not an option.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if Polian himself gave Mort that piece of info.

What's funny, this could have been another reason Polian got fired. Treating the local media like crap and then being so buddy buddy to John Clayton or Mort.

[CreekShow]

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Damn its like no one has their own opinion anymore. Everyone has been brainwashed by the media these past couple years into thinking you HAVE to have Luck to compete for SBs. Everyone is so sure that Luck is the next big thing, youd think you all would be next in line for Mel Kipers job.

No one has even began to consider rebuilding with out Luck. Am I crazy or is that not an option as well? There a lot of atheletes in this draft, why not give up the pick and get more in return bc we all know we could get a lot in return for this guy. Am I the only one who thinks you can win SBs without a "sure thing" like everyonr believes Luck will be. Drafting Luck and rebuilding would seem kind of redundant IMO.

Not necessarily you guys, but I wonder how many people have actually seen Luck play. Hes 1-2 in his bowl games, and while ill agree he seems like a really good QB, I dont see why everyone is so gaga over Luck ss opposed to a guy like RGlll. Given I dont know the first thing about throwing mechanics or anything that in depth, but people just eat up whatever ESPN will tell them.

Edit: Too bad Barkley is staying. Coulda traded Luck, picked up Barkley to sit and get groomed by Manning, then started rebuilding w whatever picks we got out of it

[Dgreenwell3]

Damn its like no one has their own opinion anymore. Everyone has been brainwashed by the media these past couple years into thinking you HAVE to have Luck to compete for SBs. Everyone is so sure that Luck is the next big thing, youd think you all would be next in line for Mel Kipers job.

No one has even began to consider rebuilding with out Luck. Am I crazy or is that not an option as well? There a lot of atheletes in this draft, why not give up the pick and get more in return bc we all know we could get a lot in return for this guy. Am I the only one who thinks you can win SBs without a "sure thing" like everyonr believes Luck will be. Drafting Luck and rebuilding would seem kind of redundant IMO.

Not necessarily you guys, but I wonder how many people have actually seen Luck play. Hes 1-2 in his bowl games, and while ill agree he seems like a really good QB, I dont see why everyone is so gaga over Luck ss opposed to a guy like RGlll. Given I dont know the first thing about throwing mechanics or anything that in depth, but people just eat up whatever ESPN will tell them.

I agree to a degree. Remember the weapons around luck, there are none. Unathletic defense.

[Shade]

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Wait, so if we pick up Peyton's option it's a FOUR year extension? If that's the case, then I can't see Irsay being that financially irresponsible.