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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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  • undrafted FA's - Lockout winding down...

    So now that the lockout seems to be coming to a end, who do you think the Colts should target out of the undrafted FA class. I know that the Colts are typically big in this market.
    Why so SERIOUS

  • #2
    Re: undrafted FA's - Lockout winding down...

    I hope Darren Evans gets picked up by a good team. It is a shame how his college career had to turn out at the end due to injures.


    • #3
      Re: undrafted FA's - Lockout winding down...

      Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
      I hope Darren Evans gets picked up by a good team. It is a shame how his college career had to turn out at the end due to injures.
      Yup, thought Colts would give him a chance... still might but when they grabbed Carter I think that really hurt the chances of that happening...
      Why so SERIOUS


      • #4
        Re: undrafted FA's - Lockout winding down...

        I am not sure myself, but Polian seems to pick up a few guys each year that provide some sort of an impact on the season. I am personally hoping he gets a large DT and an athletic as all get out LB.


        • #5
          Re: undrafted FA's - Lockout winding down...

          Originally posted by Really? View Post
          So now that the lockout seems to be coming to a end, who do you think the Colts should target out of the undrafted FA class. I know that the Colts are typically big in this market.
          Depending on who they resign they need to go try hard to get:
          DeAndre McDaniel - SS Clemson
          Cedric Thornton - DT
          Jeremiha Hunter - OLB Iowa

          I have a feeling that we resign Addai, Vinny, Charlie Johnson, and they let go of Session, Muir and possibly Bullit even though I think the Colts try hard to resign him.

          This Vet FA class is going to get overpaid due to teams that have to spend to meet the minimum team salary limit. THe Colts are going to lose some pretty good players and hopefully they can plug the holes with cheap options once again.


          • #6
            Re: undrafted FA's - Lockout winding down...

            Yeah SS is going to be a position that we have to lock up... It would be interesting to see if we sign Addai back... with the supply of RB's that we have and seeing that the Colts going off last years salary are already over the new proposed salary cap it will be interesting to see what we do.

            We should know by tomorrow, that is when they are proposing to allow for the singing of undrafted free agents I believe.

            I am ready for some football
            Why so SERIOUS


            • #7
              Re: undrafted FA's - Lockout winding down...

              A couple cool people that I would be interested in...

              S Will Hill... very high recruit coming out of hs... tons of potential, and I believe the veteran leadership on the Colts could help him out.

              Also I like Ian Williams as a potential DT sub

              WR Terrence Tolliver would be an interesting prospect at wr.

              CB Kendric Burney would probably fit in our defensive scheme.. especially if we don't bring back Hayden..

              and I have heard good things about this Joe Legeged guy at safety...

              Here is a list of some of the top group from an espn analyst...

              Why so SERIOUS


              • #8
                Re: undrafted FA's - Lockout winding down...


                Undrafted free agents were among the biggest casualties of the NFL lockout, unable to have contact with teams or sign contracts while owners and players worked out a new collective bargaining agreement.

                However, with free agency set to begin this week, that state of limbo is ending and undrafted players will finally know where they're headed.

                Here's a look at the top 40 undrafted free agents in Scouts Inc.'s 2011 prospect rankings and what they have to offer the teams that will come calling.

                1. Joe Lefeged, S, Rutgers (Scouts Inc. grade: 73)
                Lefeged possesses a nice combination of size and straight-line speed, and the range, discipline and toughness to contribute as a sub-package safety and special-teams player early in his career. He also has the skills and potential to develop into a starting strong safety in time.

                2. Kendric Burney, CB, North Carolina (68)
                Burney's lack of size (5-foot-9⅜, 186 pounds) and top-end speed (4.74 in the 40) are likely the reasons he went undrafted, but he has the instincts, short-area quickness and ball skills to add depth and eventually compete for a starting job in a Cover 2-heavy scheme.

                3. Cedric Thornton, DT, Southern Arkansas (64)
                Thornton has enough size and short-area power to develop into an adequate reserve as a one-gap lineman for a base 4-3 team.

                4. Darvin Adams, WR, Auburn (62)
                Adams lacks top-end speed and suddenness in his routes, but he is a smooth athlete with the body control, hands and toughness to develop into a No. 4 or No. 5 receiver at the next level.

                5. DeAndre McDaniel, S, Clemson (61)
                McDaniel has limitations in terms of fluidity and top-end speed, but he has the size, strength and instincts to become an effective in-the-box safety and also flashes above-average ball skills.

                6. Jeron Johnson, S, Boise State (60)
                Johnson is still developing in terms of instincts and discipline in coverage, but has the quickness and agility to contribute in sub packages.

                7. Ian Williams, DT, Notre Dame (58)
                Williams is a limited athlete with a squatty build but it provides him with natural leverage to anchor in the middle and bolster a team's interior run defense. He also has the versatility to line up in three- or four-man fronts.

                8. Mark Herzlich, OLB, Boston College (58)
                We ranked Herzlich as the No. 1 overall defensive prospect in the nation following the 2008 season, but he missed the entire 2009 season while battling cancer and was not the same player when he returned to the field in 2010. He lacks elite athleticism, especially when asked to play in space, but Herzlich has the frame, smarts, toughness and intangibles to develop into an effective strongside linebacker if he returns to 100 percent.

                9. Derrick Locke, RB, Kentucky (58)
                Locke's size (5-8, 188) and lack of power limit his potential as an every-down player, but he has the instincts, lateral quickness, body control, hands and toughness to make an impact as a third-down back and special-teams contributor.

                10. Nick Bellore, ILB, Central Michigan (56)
                Bellore is limited in coverage and as a pass-rusher but has the size, smarts, motor and toughness to develop into an effective two-down run-stopper and contributor on special teams.

                11. Zach Hurd, G, Connecticut (56)
                Hurd has good size (6-6, 316), strength and long arms, plus the natural ability and toughness to develop into a quality backup guard in the NFL.

                12. Ricardo Lockette, WR, Fort Valley State (56)
                Lockette is a well-traveled, unpolished prospect with limited football experience, but he has the size and raw talent to become a solid fourth or fifth receiver, given enough time and coaching.

                13. Scott Lutrus, OLB, Connecticut (54)
                Lutrus comes with durability concerns but he showed well at the NFL combine and has the speed, toughness and smarts to provide depth on the strong side for a base 4-3 defense.

                14. Dane Sanzenbacher, WR, Ohio State (54)
                Sanzenbacher is undersized (5-11⅜, 182) and lacks the speed to threaten vertically in the NFL, but he shows the quickness, hand-eye coordination and competitiveness to contribute as a sub-package slot receiver and help on special teams.

                15. Orie Lemon, ILB, Oklahoma State (52)
                Lemon has a good combination of size (6-0, 242), strength and closing burst to fit nicely as a two-down strongside inside linebacker for a 3-4 defense.

                16. Willie Smith, OT, East Carolina (52)
                Smith has the frame (6-5⅜, 310) and athletic ability to develop into an effective reserve tackle, though he needs to get stronger and improve his technique under the direction of NFL coaching.

                17. Will Hill, S, Florida (51)
                Hill has upside because of his above-average athleticism, though his instincts still need developing and character concerns probably helped cause him to go undrafted.

                18. Terrence Toliver, WR, LSU (51)
                Toliver's size (6-3, 212), deceiving top-end speed, body control and good hands give him the potential to develop into a No. 3 or 4 receiver at the next level, though he is a bit tight in his routes.

                19. David Sims, S, Iowa State (49)
                Sims is undersized and older than most prospects, but he shows good instincts, adequate range and coverage, and a willingness to mix it up against the run and on special teams.

                20. Brandon Bair, DT, Oregon (49)
                Bair lacks the anchor to line up inside, but his frame (6-5⅞, 276) gives him the length to contribute as a five-technique for a 3-4 team if he improves his fundamentals.

                21. Kai Forbath, PK, UCLA (49)
                Forbath has the leg strength and accuracy to eventually become an effective place-kicker at the next level.

                22. Ryan Winterswyk, DE, Boise State (48)
                Winterswyk is disciplined and plays with a consistent motor, and while he is a limited athlete he would fit well as a reserve five-technique in a 3-4 scheme.

                23. Ryan Jones, CB, NW Missouri State (47)
                Jones has above-average speed and athleticism and he plays the ball well in coverage, though his tackling in run support needs some work.

                24. Martin Parker, DT, Richmond (47)
                Parker has the size (6-2⅛, 303), athleticism and skill sets to develop into an adequate reserve three-technique for a team that runs a 4-3 defense.

                25. Zack Pianalto, TE, North Carolina (47)
                Durability issues kept Pianalto from being drafted, but he has good hands and the ability to get open against zone coverage, and is an effective downfield blocker.

                26. Weslye Saunders, TE, South Carolina (46)
                Major character concerns scared teams off on draft weekend, but Saunders has the frame (6-5⅛, 270), ball skills and enough speed to become a solid NFL tight end if he reaches his full potential.

                27. Deunta Williams, S, North Carolina (45)
                Williams' top-end speed is above-average and he moves well laterally, and he is at his best in zone coverage. He flashes good ball skills as well but lacks size/power and is timid at times in run support.

                28. Garrett Chisolm, G, South Carolina (44)
                Chisolm comes with durability concerns and needs developing in terms of footwork, but he is a high-character player with the frame and power to provide depth at guard.

                29. Ryan Donahue, P, Iowa (44)
                Donahue shows the leg strength and directional punting ability to become an effective punter in the NFL.

                30. Graig Cooper, RB, Miami (Fla.) (44)
                A major knee injury in 2009 robbed Cooper of explosiveness and lateral quickness, but he offers enough vision, short-area quickness and third-down ability to become a change-of-pace back at the next level.

                31. Charlie Gantt, TE, Michigan State (44)
                Gantt is not elite in any area but has the potential and overall skill set to develop into an effective No. 2 tight end at the next level.

                32. Armon Binns, WR, Cincinnati (43)
                Binns is limited as a route-runner and lacks explosiveness, but he shows good hands and body control to contribute as he develops.

                33. Alex Linnenkohl, C, Oregon State (42)
                Linnenkohl's athleticism is limited but he is a hard worker who flashes instincts as a pass blocker and could provide depth along the interior with proper development.

                34. Mario Addison, OLB, Troy (42)
                Addison plays with good pad level and appears strong enough to set the edge against the run, and he shows active hands as a pass-rusher.

                35. Joe Torchia, TE, Virginia (42)
                Torchia runs sharp routes, clearly works hard on the little things, shows good hands and runs hard after the catch.

                36. Terrance Turner, WR, Indiana (42)
                Turner runs good routes and has above-average ball skills, and if he can contribute on special teams he could become a solid No. 4 or 5 receiver in the NFL.

                37. Ricky Henry, G, Nebraska (41)
                Henry is a blue-collar player with excellent toughness and a mean streak, and he flashes above-average upper-body strength in the run game.

                38. Tori Gurley, WR, South Carolina (41)
                Gurley's size (6-4⅛, 216) and athleticism give him a chance to develop into a strong fourth or fifth receiver for an NFL team.

                39. Pierre Allen, DE, Nebraska (40)
                Allen has the size (6-3, 273), upper-body strength and long arms to provide depth and possibly develop into a starting left end in a four-man front.

                40. Mike Holmes, S, Syracuse (40)
                Holmes is a tough, versatile defensive back who played both corner and safety in college, and his ability to contribute as a kick and punt returner could also be an asset for an NFL team.
                Why so SERIOUS


                • #9
                  Re: undrafted FA's - Lockout winding down...

                  To keep up with pick-ups:


                  They are coming fast.


                  • #10
                    Re: undrafted FA's - Lockout winding down...

                    Colts pick ups so far:

                    Joe Lefged (S, Rutgers)
                    Jake Kirkpatrick (C, TCU)


                    • #11
                      Re: undrafted FA's - Lockout winding down...

                      Originally posted by PurduePacer View Post
                      To keep up with pick-ups:


                      They are coming fast.
                      Does it really have to be a Patsies site?

                      Originally posted by PurduePacer View Post
                      Colts pick ups so far:

                      Joe Lefged (S, Rutgers)
                      Jake Kirkpatrick (C, TCU)
                      It is moving fast. 15 minutes later there are 2 more.


                      • #12
                        Re: undrafted FA's - Lockout winding down...

                        Sorry, I knew you'd object. The signings in general are coming fast, not the Colts in particular, smartbutt.


                        • #13
                          Re: undrafted FA's - Lockout winding down...

                          Originally posted by PurduePacer View Post
                          Sorry, I knew you'd object. The signings in general are coming fast, not the Colts in particular, smartbutt.
                          Where was I being smart?

                          15 minutes after you posted the Colts have 2 signings, there are 2 more signings. That's fast! Lol

                          Just sucks its on a Pats site.


                          • #14
                            Re: undrafted FA's - Lockout winding down...

                            Oh ok, well I didn't think you actually meant it was fast haha.

                            I'm not sure why they are so quick, but I don't mind the Pats.


                            • #15
                              Re: undrafted FA's - Lockout winding down...

                              Originally posted by PurduePacer View Post
                              Colts pick ups so far:

                              Joe Lefged (S, Rutgers)
                              Jake Kirkpatrick (C, TCU)
                              I wanted the bears to pick him up