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    It's very sad to think about this but Peyton Manning is in the last stage of his career. He has said before he won't play until he is 40 like BF. My guess is Peyton plays 3 more years at the most. The Colts need to put everything they can into making this team Superbowl WINNERS (not just contenders). Heck this is assuming that Peyton comes back. Maybe he is as pissed off as the fans at the Colts leadership that he decides to play elsewhere. I wouldn't blame him if he did.

    Lets look at last year and this year. Sure they went to the Superbowl last year but the way they played most of the regular season they were just as close to not making the playoffs as anyone. They won a lot of games they should have lost. This year was much like last year only they lost a lot of close games and were hit hard by injuries. They didn't get the job done though either year. When you don't get it done with what you have and the one freaking player you rely on to carry the team is nearing the end of his career it’s time to stop and think about how you want this all to end because Aaron Rogers is not waiting to take Peyton Manning's spot.

    The Colts rely on the draft to improve and fill holes. This is all good when you draft well but they haven't done that for 3-4 years. You HAVE to look at trades and free agency to add some legit talent. I’m sorry that it will hurt your pride Bill but get over yourself already.

    The offensive line has to be better. Simple as that. A physical running back would be nice. A hard runner who can convert on third and short. I don't care if he can catch or pick up the blitz. It doesn't need to be an every down back just someone who can help move the chains.

    The defense needs a serious talent upgrade all across the board. Who on the Colts defense would start (or even play at all) for the Chargers, Steelers, Jets, Saints, or Packers? (the top 5 ranked defenses in the NFL this season) Not very many that's for sure!

    Nnamdi Asomugha better be at the top of your off season priority list. You need elite players... they make the rest better! You can't rely on Freeney and Mathis as your pass defense. You need some good coverage. Some talent at linebacker might be nice too. The Colts need some defensive players other than Freeney who can create a turnover.

    Another thing about the defense...If I never see the Colts play the Tampa 2 again I will not complain. It worked in Tampa when they had some playmakers (Starting with Warren Sapp at DT) all across the defense but the Colts have lacked those playmakers.

    There are two things that will prevent the Colts from winning another Superbowl in the near future. One is Jim Irsay. I fear (I mentioned this in the Jets-Pats thread) that he is more concerned about his relationships (Caldwell, Polian) then he is about winning. It sounds odd but how many owners would have hired Caldwell let alone keep him after the past two years? How many owners would allow Bill Polian to be the most arrogant GM in the NFL?

    Speaking of Bill Polian that is the other thing that will prevent another Superbowl...his arrogance. He needs to fix the offense line (while admitting what he did last off season didn't work) and add some defensive talent (especially outside of the draft which goes against his philosophy of relying on the draft)?

    One more thing. If the Colts can get anything (a late pick) for Bob Sanders and Anthony Gonz. they need to do it. I love watching Bob play and he makes this team better but if he can't stay healthy just trade him for something! Some team will take a chance on him.

    I said this before but I hope Peyton has a long talk with Irsay about the direction of the team and how he wants to end his career. You have to begin with the end in mind. Right now the end isn't look good outside of an early playoff loss if the Colts keep heading in the direction they are in. It cannot be the same old same old. This is nearing the end and you have to give it your best shot. The Colts leadership hasn't done that. It's now or never.

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    u guys need John Gruden to coach


    • #3
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      I agree with all of that.

      One thing though, I don't think the Colts go for Asomugha. He'll demand far too much money, and the Colts corners with Powers and Hayden do a good job against pretty much anyone except the truly elite.

      Not that I wouldn't love Asomugha, because he'd be my top FA choice right now. I just don't think the Colts go for him.
      Stop quoting people I have on ignore!


      • #4
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        Very good post.

        Bill seemed to be taking a lot of blame for the season near the end, so hopefully his arrogance has died down and he realizes he has to do whatever it takes to help Peyton out and help this team become Super Bowl winners.

        His drafting has not been great as of late, and I agree, get these play makers through free agency and trades, please. We have a few players who could be trade bait.

        You echo basically everything that I think needs to be done, so I don't need to say much.

        Also, Peyton does deserve a better coach, and while I'm sure Caldwell is a nice and stand up guy, we have the best QB in the game, and he needs help at coaching the team.

        Whoever coaches special teams, which I think is no one, needs to be fired.

        As much as I like Irsay, I feel you are right. The guy is just nice and lacks the skills it takes to just drop someone from the team.
        Super Bowl XLI Champions
        2000 Eastern Conference Champions


        • #5
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          [QUOTE=Lord Helmet;1138098]Very good post.
          Bill seemed to be taking a lot of blame for the season near the end, so hopefully his arrogance has died down and he realizes he has to do whatever it takes to help Peyton out and help this team become Super Bowl winners

          He did? Sure in defending Caldwell it appeared he trashed himself but he talks out of both sides of his mouth so I wouldn't hold my breath he does a damn thing.


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            Had the Colts not made the playoffs then there's a chance there would've been some pressure on Polian to make changes (that he would've reacted to). As it is, we made the playoffs and had the lead with under a minute remaining. I think with his stubborness he'll see that as a sign of progress and will not want to make wholesale changes just because the fanbase and media are calling for changes. That would be admitting he's left some holes.

            I think the real hope is that Manning demands some changes before signing.

            Since Polian has defended Caldwell I don't think there's much chance he'd then turn around and call for his head for helping to make the Jets' chances of winning better...
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.


            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

            -John Wooden


            • #7
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              Originally posted by Bball View Post
              Had the Colts not made the playoffs then there's a chance there would've been some pressure on Polian to make changes (that he would've reacted to). As it is, we made the playoffs and had the lead with under a minute remaining. I think with his stubborness he'll see that as a sign of progress and will not want to make wholesale changes just because the fanbase and media are calling for changes. That would be admitting he's left some holes.

              I think the real hope is that Manning demands some changes before signing.

              Since Polian has defended Caldwell I don't think there's much chance he'd then turn around and call for his head for helping to make the Jets' chances of winning better...

              Maybe but he would still use the injury excuse.... after all this team would be different if we were healthy and while there's some truth to it.

              A healthy team doesn't change the fact that they can't stop the run and that Special Teams is still awful.


              • #8
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                A healthier team would've (should've) helped the ST's since there would've been more depth and consistency for ST's lineup. ...But that really doesn't change your overall point and I agree with it.

                We don't need to be able to score 45 points per game. We need to be able to get another team's offense off the field.

                We historically haven't been able to consistently stop the run, healthy or not. So that should be job #1 for the off-season IMHO.

                #2 should be shoring up the offense so we can get a 3rd and short on the ground to sustain drives.

                On the subject of Caldwell... He gets criticism because he got a job his resume didn't qualify him for. The Colts had their pick of coaches. Few teams in the Colts' position would've handled the coaching handoff the way the Colts did IMHO. It's created a situation that maybe is a little unfair for Caldwell... but then it isn't exactly fair for the team either to not have a proven HC in the position.

                Bob Sanders' nickname shouldn't be "The Eraser"... that should belong to Peyton Manning. When he's at the top of his game he erases many mistakes that the team makes. That includes questionable coaching and keeping the offense efficient with minimal opportunities since the Colt defense can't get the other team off the field with any regularity.
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.


                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                -John Wooden


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                  The clock is definately running out. However, BP has given lip service to all this before and has done a whole lot of nothing. I forsee a draft full of offensive players until you get down to the bottom and then he'll do the usual and draft "defensive help" that most teams have passed over. I will give him props, he has found a few gems that way, but compared to the rest of the league, we've just been treading water for a few years and they've been gaining ground. If we don't move NOW, we are wasting the last few years of Peyton's career because we'll just be another team that's good in the regular season and gags out of the playoffs every year.
                  "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."


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                    Lots of good points here. FWTFIW, I'll kick in a few of my own............

                    (In no particular order)

                    Peyton. Yeah, great QB, but the end of his career is closer than the beginning. He's made a ton of cash so far and with Irsay saying he's going to make him the highest paid player in the league, well, maybe that's not a good choice. They need help all over the roster and giving Manning that much of your cap room just doesn't make sense. But, he'll write the big check, Manning will be happy and they'll once again be without the $$ to upgrade the middle/bottom part of the roster. And we'll complain about special teams and defense. Again. In a perfect world, #18 says "Ya know Jimmy, I've made enough money to buy a few 3rd world countries and I can make a bunch more doing all those stupid commercials. I'd really like to get another ring or 2 before my career is over. How about a 'reasonable' contract and you spend that other money on a better O-line - yeah, picking up a few 3rd and 1s would have been nice this year - a few better defensive players - you know, it's tough just trying to outscore teams - and get some special team guys in here that can make a freakin' tackle.

                    But alas ................ I just don't see that happening.

                    Anyway - Caldwell ........... someone explain to me in English just WTF he was thinking when he called that freakin' timeout. You've got a less that 50% guy from over 40 getting ready to kick a 50 yarder. Do the math. Stupid, stupid, stupid. And this whole 'we just do what we do' thing is over. Get rid of that damn little bubble screen to a WR. OTHER TEAMS HAVE FIGURED IT OUT. In years past, in everyone's prime - sure - we're going to do what we do and it's up to you to stop us. Guess what - they're stopping it. CHANGE THE OFFENSE - just a little. Get a running back that doesn't look like he's auditioning for Dancing With the Stars. Why did you let Rhodes leave in the 1st place ?? He's old now and he's a more aggressive runner than Addai, Brown and Hart combined. Oh - had to save the money to pay Peyton ?? Yeah - how did that work out ??

                    Polian - sad to say that we're just going to get Bill 2.0 when his son takes over (that's a work in progress). He just has to learn how to fully manipulate Caldwell and Irsay before he takes over completely.

                    Get rid of Sanders, Gonzalez, the majority of the O-line and quit letting talented linebackers leave. The last one just might help the defense stop the run a little better.

                    Sorry - I got carried away a bit. I just see a lot of decisions made in the executive suites that don't translate well to the playing field. Unfortuantely, we're stuck with it. Irsay has no idea how to make football decisions and the biggest one he needs to make now is to decide if the Polians are the way to go in the future. And he'll probably make the wrong decision there too.

                    Damn shame - with perhaps the best QB to ever play the game, and you can't surround him with enough talent to pick up a freakin' 3rd and 1.

                    I could go on, but I won't. You get the idea .......................


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                      RE: Asomugah

                      I get the money problem in considering him. If that makes it impossible so be it.

                      However, first off I'm just not sold that our current corners are that good. Maybe average I suppose. But look at the current final four teams, they all have above good, if not elite, talent at every level of their defense.

                      Then, think about how far the Jets and Pack have gotten as the lowest seed playing on the road. Not only is their overall D good, but then you look at how good their starting corners are.

                      I mean Revis is so good that he's essentially elimintated one whole facet (a WR) from the opponents' offense for the entire game.

                      Then add to that in the Jets victory over NE that they got like five or six sacks an related pressure on Brady, which was primarily caused by superior coverage from secondary and backers. That's amazing.

                      And my interpretation is that add some elite or nearly elite talents to our coverage positions and our DEs become even more effective.
                      I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                      -Emiliano Zapata


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                        You pay Asomugha whatever he asks for and you worry about the consequences later.

                        Now is not the time to be pinching pennies.


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                          Oh ............. 1 more little rant ...... Revis is good. Damn good. #87 ain't no slouch. Ya think they could have at least looked at that side of the field ??? Makes it kind of tough playing on a field 1/2 as wide as everyone else.


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                            Let's say you can only pay one of Addai or Wayne this offseason...who do you pick?

                            To me this answer is pretty obvious.


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                              Also, the whole idea of continuing to base this D around Freeney and Mathis is asinine those guys aren't spring chickens anymore. They aren't automatic sacks on 3rd and long anymore. They need talent behind them for when they are not at 100% and are catching breathers.