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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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    Wedding bells for Roethlisberger?
    Tuesday, January 04, 2011
    By Sally Kalson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
    If Ben Roethlisberger is engaged to be married, he doesn't want to talk about it. But a lot of other people do.

    The social media have been all a-Twitter with congratulations for the Steelers quarterback, who purportedly popped the question to a young woman from Hickory, Lawrence County, over the Christmas holidays.

    Asked point blank today if he was engaged, Mr. Roethlisberger declined to answer, except to say he wouldn't talk about his private life.

    The young woman is being named on blogs and Tweets, but Post-Gazette attempts to reach her have not yet succeeded.

    Information developed by the newspaper shows her as a graduate of Laurel High School, where she was a softball star, and a 2008 graduate of St. Francis University in Loretto, Cambria County, with a bachelor's degree in health science, and, a year later, a master's of physicians assistant.

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    Last edited by Basketball Fan; 01-05-2011, 12:24 PM. Reason: Update

  • #2
    Re: Ben Roethlisberger engaged?

    I like what deadspin had to say:

    "There are rumors that Ben Roethlisberger got engaged over Christmas. Oh, I see how it is. Mike Vick can't have a dog, but Big Ben can have a woman?"


    • #3
      Re: Ben Roethlisberger engaged

      Apparently its legit


      • #4
        Re: Ben Roethlisberger engaged

        She better have some pepper spray available if shes in the bathroom with him at his house.
        Larry Bird and Ryan Grigson- wasting the talents of Paul George and Andrew Luck


        • #5
          Re: Ben Roethlisberger engaged

          Roethlisberger talks wedding plans, media scrutiny as date nears
          Thursday, April 07, 2011
          By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
          Peter Diana/Post-GazetteSteelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.The 2005 season turned out even better than Ben Roethlisberger imagined, and his first Super Bowl victory at season's end wasn't the only one that involved a ring.

          That August at training camp at Saint Vincent College, he met a Steelers fan from New Castle named Ashley Harlan. On July 23, only a week before the Steelers are scheduled to report to training camp (provided an NFL lockout of the players is lifted by then), Mr. Roethlisberger and Ms. Harlan will marry.

          "I think a small part of her is hoping we hold out for a week so we can honeymoon," Mr. Roethlisberger said Wednesday. "I told her I was laughing with coach [Mike] Tomlin; he said 'You guys might have to have the honeymoon suite at Saint Vincent.' "

          The 29-year-old quarterback spoke for the first time publicly since Super Bowl XLV during an interview with the Post-Gazette at his home near North Park. He confirmed for the first time the news that broke of his engagement to Ms. Harlan over Christmas and talked about his future wife and their summer wedding plans.

          "I was surprised at how much media attention it was getting -- it's just an engagement," he said. "I never expected it to be on the front pages of all the papers and websites. There was speculation what our invitations would look like and who is coming! It almost seemed surreal, it was like a movie or something, it was weird."

          Some of those stories detailed a "wedding" gift registry at various department stores, which in reality was a registry for Ms. Harlan's shower. Because of the publicity, she has received packages from unknown people who have bought gifts for a shower they will not attend.

          "We've gotten a lot of gifts from people we don't know," Mr. Roethlisberger said.

          They expect more than 500 people at the wedding that will be in the Pittsburgh area. The guest list includes all of his teammates along with coaches and team executives. They're still looking for somewhere to hold the reception after trying to rent the Consol Energy Center, which has a previous engagement -- a World Wrestling Entertainment show. Guests will be asked not to bring gifts but make donations to Mr. Roethlisberger's foundation. He will give any gifts to Ronald McDonald House and Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh of UPMC.

          "I don't know if it's ever been done before, but it's something I wanted to do and she's on board," he said. "We're just hoping that people who come to the wedding give a dollar or a thousand dollars or whatever it is, and at the end we'll put it all together and write a big check to Ronald McDonald House and Children's Hospital and put everyone's name who donated."

          It may be a relatively short engagement but the relationship was much longer in the making. After finishing an afternoon practice in August 2005, Mr. Roethlisberger walked through part of the Saint Vincent campus, ran into a fan and started talking to him. The guy had a sister, Ashley Harlan.

          "We were kind of on and off for five years -- almost six years now -- so I've known her for a while. It's not like a random new person. We dated awhile ago; we have been friends ever since."

          Mr. Roethlisberger said he was determined to not only change his image but also change his ways since he was publicly humiliated -- but never charged -- after a female college student claimed he sexually assaulted her in a Georgia bar 13 months ago. Players say he has become a better teammate and friend, and many from the media covering him to those working in the front office have noticed a change in attitude. He has stayed out of the limelight, intentionally, and avoided talking even after news of his engagement first leaked while the team prepared for the playoffs in January.

          Some of the reaction to his engagement coming so soon after his personal problems last year was met with skepticism.

          "People will always have opinions of everybody and me, and that's fine, they're entitled," Mr. Roethlisberger said. "But people who know her, know me, know us ... it's funny because I've even had lot of fan mail through my website and stuff; people will write in and say -- even before any word came out about an engagement -- 'Ben, you look like something's different with you. You look like a happier person, you play happy, you smile more on the field.' Part of that is because I'm a happier person, I'm in a happy place, but a lot of that has to do with her, too.

          "People can say that it is whatever, but people who know and can see and are around us and know me, know that it's something special when you find that person, and I'm extremely lucky."

          Ms. Harlan, a physician's assistant who turns 27 in July, lives at home with her parents. Mr. Roethlisberger cited the couple's religious faith and beliefs as the reasons for not living together until marriage. He also hopes she can continue to live her life out of the spotlight.

          "I try to protect her as much as I can. People have gone to her parents' house and have been doing some things," Mr. Roethlisberger said of the media. "That bothers me a little bit because it's what I do for a living, I have to deal with it, but her parents and her, that's not what they have to do. I understand it's going to happen a little bit, but I'm still going to try to be very protective of the people I love -- my family, my sister, my aunts, uncles, grandparents and now her. I try to be very protective of them because I don't want her to have to be scrutinized over every little thing she does."

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          • #6
            Re: Ben Roethlisberger engaged

            So he finally found himself a woman who loves the donkey punch.


            • #7
              Re: Ben Roethlisberger engaged

              Big Ben weds New Castle native in private ceremony
              By Jason Cato, JoAnne Harrop and Adam Brandolph, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
              Saturday, July 23, 2011
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              Ben Roethlisberger and Ashley Harlan were married Saturday at Christ Church at Grove Farm in Ohio Township.

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              Ben Roethlisberger got another ring on Saturday.

              The Steelers' Super Bowl-winning quarterback married New Castle native Ashley Harlan in a private church ceremony in Ohio Township, then celebrated into the night at a reception Downtown.

              "Happy that my dude found love," Steelers receiver Emmanuel Sanders posted on Twitter.

              Roethlisberger, 29, and Harlan, 26, tied the knot in a ceremony at Christ Church at Grove Farm, then received a police escort to the David L. Lawrence Convention Center for the reception.

              Roethlisberger's friend Jaime Cooper served as best man. Harlan's friend Erin Telford was maid of honor, and her sister-in-law Susan Harlan served as matron of honor.

              In all, there were 20 members of the bridal party including Steelers players Willie Colon and Brett Keisel and Roethlisberger's agent, Ryan Tollner and one flower girl.

              The Steelers' Trai Essex, Ramon Foster, Chris Kemoeatu, Doug Legursky, Maurkice Pouncey and Max Starks were ushers. So were former Steelers running back and ESPN analyst Merril Hoge and state police Trooper Edward Joyner, who has worked as a personal assistant for Roethlisberger.

              The bride wore a Monique Lhuillier strapless, ivory silk gown. The bridesmaids wore Jim Hjelm strapless gowns in slate gray and carried clusters of blush pink roses.

              Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl, U.S. Ambassador to Ireland Dan Rooney and Penguins co-owner Mario Lemieux were among the VIPs. Even WWE professional wrestler Triple H was seen entering the convention center.

              The couple went to great lengths to keep details of their wedding plans secret convention center brass posted fliers indicating a movie shoot was taking place from July 18-24 and their wedding day was no different.

              Ohio Township police blocked access to the church for hours before the ceremony, and Pittsburgh police and a private security firm controlled access to the convention center, shutting down 10th Street between Fort Duquesne Boulevard and Penn Avenue for much of the day.

              The Roethlisbergers, who could not be reached for comment and did not issue a statement, required guests to present a pink sheet of paper to gain access to the church and reception. Once at the convention center, guests received a gray rubber bracelet and another pink slip regarding the event.

              Bomb-sniffing dogs swept the convention center earlier in the day. Lt. Jack Kearney of the Allegheny County Sheriff's Office, who handles security for the Steelers, was at the reception.

              Police and private security officers were scheduled to remain at the convention center until 2 a.m., police said.

              The service in the nondenominational church lasted less than an hour. Harlan walked down the aisle with her father, Dave, to "Threads of Love."

              Music included "Redeemer" by Nicole C. Mullen, "Canon in D" by Johann Pachelbel, "Allegro Maestoso" from "Water Music" by George F. Handel and "Joyful, Joyful We Adore Thee" by Ludwig van Beethoven.

              Two tall candles on the altar were lit in memory of family members and loved ones of the bride and groom.

              The couple took photographs at the church for about an hour before leaving for the reception with the wedding party in two limousine buses.

              Planners expected as many as 650 guests at the reception, and a steady flow of black limousines and sport utility vehicles arrived shortly after the church service.

              Cocktails were served on the second floor about two hours before dinner and dancing. The party then moved upstairs to The Spirit of Pittsburgh Ballroom on the third floor.

              Those involved said Roethlisberger and Harlan spared no expense.

              The ballroom was decorated with scores of roses mostly different shades of pink, along with white and cream from Hepatica Florist in Regent Square. Table arrangements also included orchids and hydrangeas.

              Nearly 10,000 roses hot pink, light pink and a softer pink covered a 5- by 40-foot wall that was used as a backdrop for photographs.

              A grand piano stood on a stage beneath a giant scripted logo of the couple's initials: A and B on either side of a large R.

              Roethlisberger and Harlan chose "God Gave Me You" for their first dance, and the song was performed live by the original artist, Dave Barnes. Harlan danced with her father to "I'll Always Be Your Baby" by Natalie Grant.

              Premier Foliage & Flowering in East Liberty provided 100 palm trees, 150 ferns, 100 ivy at the church and convention center, said owner Jeff Ballina. It took more than three days to arrange the foliage, he said.

              "This was certainly a wonderful event and the most elegant event that I have ever been involved with," Ballina said. "When we were all finished, you couldn't tell it was the convention center. It was just so beautiful. The ballroom was gorgeous. It went together so well because all of the vendors worked so well together."

              Guests, seated at about 65 tables of 10, chose between roasted beef tenderloin with cabernet demi-glace or pan-seared halibut with grilled lemons for dinner, provided by The Common Plea Restaurant and Catering, Downtown.

              Staff handed out Moet champagne for the toasts, and Chateau St. Jean chardonnay and cabernet was served with dinner.

              The couple decided on a six-tier wedding cake from Vanilla Pastry Studio in East Liberty.

              The only sign of Steeler Nation came outside the church.

              Friends and family of Bill and Margie Zierenberg gathered outside their home down the street from Christ Church in hopes of catching a glimpse of the newly married couple, but it never came.

              The Zierenbergs' granddaughter Lizzy Weisner, 12, who was visiting from Dallas, and her cousin Callie Downing, 14, of Ben Avon joined other cousins to make a sign that read, "Best wishes, Ben and Ashley."

              "When I first got up, I didn't think it was a good idea," Downing said. "But once everyone got here, I thought it was a good idea."

              Ohio Township police Cpl. Donald Manz said there were no complaints or arrests at or near the wedding ceremony.

              "With all the things (Roethlisberger) has gone through in the past year," Manz said, "we anticipated some kind of advocacy group or something, but it was quiet. Maybe the heat kept them away."
              Read more: Big Ben weds New Castle native in private ceremony - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review


              • #8
                Re: Ben Roethlisberger engaged

                Well, there's a marriage built on trust. I'm sure his 9 figure contract had nothing to do with it.


                • #9
                  Re: Ben Roethlisberger engaged

                  Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                  Well, there's a marriage built on trust. I'm sure his 9 figure contract had nothing to do with it.
                  You can say that about any woman that marries a rich man( or rich woman marrying a not so rich man) after they earned their wealth.