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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Agent: Colts won't deal with Saturday

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  • Agent: Colts won't deal with Saturday

    The Indianapolis Colts won't attempt to re-sign Jeff Saturday, their starting center the past nine seasons, before the start of the league's free agent signing period, according to his agent.

    In an e-mail to The Indianapolis Star late Saturday, Ralph Cindrich said "discussions and events this past week'' confirmed the team will allow Saturday to "test the free agent market,'' which opens Friday.

    Saturday, 33 and a three-time Pro Bowl selection, is one of eight Colts who will become unrestricted free agents at the end of the week.

    Depending upon interest shown by other teams, "there is a possibility he could return to the Colts,'' Cindrich added.

    Saturday has been the cornerstone of the Colts' offensive line and quarterback Peyton Manning's center since 2000.

    With Saturday starting 138 regular-season games the past nine seasons -- he missed six games with injuries, including four last season -- Manning has worked behind one of the league's most efficient offensive lines. The unit allowed a league-low 178 sacks during that stretch, tying a club record by yielding only 14 last season.

    The decision not to attempt to re-sign Saturday isn't a surprise, especially on the heels of the Colts locking up cornerback Kelvin Hayden with a five-year, $43 million contract last week. Does this suprise or scare anyone? Does this make anyone think that we're more likely to land one of the big name WR or Defensive free agents?
    Last edited by Erik; 02-22-2009, 09:50 AM.

  • #2
    Re: Agent: Colts won't deal with Saturday

    Probably a good move.
    You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?


    • #3
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      I think it's probably going to be a long season for Peyton next year if we let Saturday walk.


      • #4
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        Long term it's probably good, but short term it's scary. The difference in our offensive line when he was injured and healthy was extremely obvious.


        -- Steve --


        • #5
          Re: Agent: Colts won't deal with Saturday

          Honestly it's the last time he'll be able to test the waters in his prime at 33. If he gets the big dog contract like he deserves then good for him and we should show no annomocity. The rest of our core of young linemen are talented to say the least, but Saturday is the leader of the gang there. I think Polian knew this time was coming and he has drafted a young center last year with tons of talent. There will be more miscues on the line and Peyton will eat more turf, but this is a business and long term this is the good move.

          I feel bad that he may be going, but there is not cheating father time and everyone moves on or retires.


          • #6
            Re: Agent: Colts won't deal with Saturday

            Originally posted by Pacersfan46 View Post
            Long term it's probably good, but short term it's scary. The difference in our offensive line when he was injured and healthy was extremely obvious.


            -- Steve --
            True, but they still weren't very good either way. Since we're trying to reconstruct the line, I don't think it makes sense to throw much dough at Saturday... I hope he looks around and then resigns at a low price.
            You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?


            • #7
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              I'm surprised and worried. I see the point behind it, but there's a reason our O-line has been so consistently good, and his name is Jeff Saturday. I'm a little disappointed, because Saturday seems like a good ol' boy and the kind of guy you'd like to keep around. But, I suppose, at 33 and deserving of a good-sized contract, he'll take up residence in a new locale next season.

              I'm just a little nervous... Richie better eat his Wheaties, cuz everyone's going to test the middle of the line.
              It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.


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                Jeff Saturday was succinct, and disappointed.

                "In a perfect world, I would have stayed here for good,'' he said Sunday afternoon.

                A perfect world it's not.

                Saturday, a mainstay on the the Indianapolis Colts' offensive line for 10 years, is eligible for free agency and will test the market when it opens Friday. He'd like to remain a Colt, but the team's offer, at least in its present form, is unacceptable to him.

                So, come Friday, he'll shop around.

                "I had expectations on what the offer would be,'' he said. "It just wasn't there.''The Colts haven't closed the door on Saturday returning, but the veteran center wants to see what's out there. That doesn't mean he's gone for good. He has loved his time here.

                "I love the city, man. I love the fans here. I still have people coming up to me every day saying, 'Please stay.' That's very flattering.''

                Still . . .

                "I'm fully expecting to go to free agency and see what's going on out there,'' he said. "The Colts have made me an offer, but I owe it to my family to explore all the options before we make a final decision.''

                Saturday, who will turn 34 before the start of the 2009 season, declined to address the parameters of the Colts' offer. In 2003, he signed a six-year, $19.2 million deal. It included a $5 million signing bonus and a base salary of $3 million in 2008.

                Saturday has talked with other NFL players since the end of the season. He got the sense there is interest in a player who has started 154 games (including playoffs), worked with quarterback Peyton Manning since 2000 and been voted to three Pro Bowls.

                "I would expect there to be a better offer (than Indy's),'' Saturday said. "That's the only reason I'm going to free agency. Otherwise I would have just taken the deal now.

                "I fully expect there to be teams that step up and match the things I want and we'll have a future together.''

                The Colts have given Saturday a deadline to accept their offer, which he wouldn't disclose. He's still trying to come to grips with a probable move.

                "I feel I've given everything I could to the Colts,'' he said. "I've played as well as I could, and that's all you can ask.

                "Now, they've got to decide what to do, and I do as well.''

                While Saturday weighs his options, the Colts must brace for yet another major change on their offensive line. Since the team defeated the Chicago Bears in Super Bowl XLI after the 2006 season, left tackle Tarik Glenn retired and right guard Jake Scott was allowed to sign with Tennessee as an unrestricted free agent. Left guard Ryan Lilja missed the '08 season -- he has had three procedures on his right knee in the past 12 months -- and his status for next season won't be known for a couple of months.

                And now, Saturday.

                Team president Bill Polian remains hopeful Saturday returns, but said the team is prepared for the alternative.

                "The club that we have coming back, specifically on the offensive line absent Jeff, we feel very good about,'' he said Sunday during a break at the NFL Scouting Combine at Lucas Oil Stadium.

                The Colts addressed the position during the 2008 draft, selecting three interior line prospects: Mike Pollak in the second round, Steve Justice in the sixth and Jamey Richard in the seventh. When knee and calf injuries forced Saturday to miss four games, Richard started.

                "We had to play without Jeff for (four) games,'' Polian said, "and did well.''

                Saturday paused as he considered the massive changes the offensive line has experienced over the past 24 months."It's an ever-evolving thing, man,'' he said.


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                  I'm both surprised and scared.


                  • #10
                    Re: Agent: Colts won't deal with Saturday

                    It's the nature of the business. I don't think there is going to be a big demand for a 33 year old center who mised time last year and I don't think Jeff is really interested in starting over someplace else. That said, I love Saturday and if he can get a big payday somewhere then great for him but I think he will be back with the Colts.

                    This news doesn't bode well for Harrison.
                    The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.


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                      Re: Agent: Colts won't deal with Saturday

                      Do the Colts have a replacement for him? He still has at least 3 years left in the tank IMO. I read that the Bengals were going to try and sign him to a 3-5 year contract.


                      • #12
                        Re: Agent: Colts won't deal with Saturday

                        There is no way Saturday is coming back. All you have to do is read his comments in the article that Erik posted. You can tell by his tone that he knows his Indy career is over and that he's bummed about it.

                        Some team will sign him. Good veterans are snatched up like flies, so a team will sign him and revel in the fact that they took Peyton Manning's center away. Sure the economy is down but all it takes is one team.

                        At the end of the day it's ALWAYS about money. I don't blame Jeff and I would sure as hell go for the money if I were him too. You gotta get the max out of the 3-4 years that you have left. Even a guy as loyal to the team and city to him is lured by $ first and foremost. That just further shows that sports, like everything else, is driven by money first.

                        We are rapidly moving into a new era with this franchise. It's the era where Peyton Manning is the oldest guy on the team and is surrounded by a bunch of guys who haven't been there very long.

                        We are going to lose Harrison, Saturday, and most likely Hunter Smith (Colts are letting him test the market). Combine that with the Tarik Glenn retirement 2 years ago and the letting go of Edge a year before that and you're left with all of the "old school" guys gone except Manning. Smith doesn't affect Manning much, but with Harrison and Saturday gone he's pretty much started over on the guys surrounding him. Has to be a weird feeling.
                        Last edited by Sollozzo; 02-23-2009, 11:47 AM.


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                          Re: Agent: Colts won't deal with Saturday

                          Is this the end of the Saturday Special @ Penn Station?


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                            Couldn't he still be franchised if we disired to do so?

                            I wish my 9-5 had made me one of the top 5 paid at my position (grabbing ankles position)
                            Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.


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                              Re: Agent: Colts won't deal with Saturday

                              Originally posted by indygeezer View Post
                              Couldn't he still be franchised if we disired to do so?

                              I wish my 9-5 had made me one of the top 5 paid at my position (grabbing ankles position)
                              There's always the Bunny Ranch if you'd like to test your value .....

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