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  • Sollozzo
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    They would have still started out 0-3 regardless. The Seahawks, Rams, and Titans were all better than the Colts when we played them. This was before the Seahawks were decimated with injuries.

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  • Trader Joe
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    Originally posted by Bball
    Last week was the TY overthrow... this week Wentz adjusted for that and threw it in front of him and into the ground...
    wow critiquing the guy for this even though he never throws any interceptions??? Wow.

    Lol.

    Seriously though it's wild how many colts fans on twitter just absolutely slurp up this franchise. Still plenty of people saying just wait til Wentz proves everyone wrong next year.

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  • Trader Joe
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    Originally posted by D-BONE
    Here's something else to chew on vis a vis Wentz. One of the critiques leveled at the roster is the lack of a true #1 or #2 WR. But how good would Pittman be right now if you had a good QB? And TY, while injury prone and beyond his prime, looked ready, willing, and able to contribute substantially the last few games. Recall again the overthrow of him in the Raiders game. That is 100% a Wentz misfire and emblematic of our plight with him as starter.

    Ballard of course deserves to be under the microscope in all this. But the # 1 indicator of his responsibility is agreeing to take on Wentz. And a significant 2nd is the Fischer acquisition. Those say to me two attempts to build a contender on the cheap. Except that Wentz's performance relative to what we gave up ends up being way more expensive than it should ever have been.

    That said, if there's one legit argument in Wentz's defense, it's that he sometimes got too leaky protection from the OL. So that doubles down on Ballard's decision making/moves. Poor QB and questionable protection. The pressure tended to come most frequently from the left side.
    Well luckily we can just draft a nice WR or TE in the first round and that will fix this....oh wait.

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  • Trader Joe
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    Originally posted by Gamble1
    I am going to say my truth and leave it at that. I think they get into the playoffs if the team was vaccinated like the owner wanted from the start. They all have their reasons I am sure and maybe one of them has a legit reason but they brought it on themselves.

    Lastly I think Chris Ballard has to rethink this drafting and signing injuried players thing. We will have so many holes to fill and many of the holes on the defense or offense were risky FA signings or draftees.
    They would not have started 0-3 if the team was better vaccinated. The end of season with the way omicron is affecting everyone maybe it wouldn't have mattered, but they would probably have picked up a win or two in those first three games if the entire offensive line not been out for basiclaly all of preseason practice due to covid.

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  • PacerDude
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    Originally posted by Bball
    Last week was the TY overthrow... this week Wentz adjusted for that and threw it in front of him and into the ground...
    So, next week he'll .............. oh - never mind.

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  • Bball
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    Last week was the TY overthrow... this week Wentz adjusted for that and threw it in front of him and into the ground...

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  • BornIndy
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    Eagles fleeced the Colts. Damn...

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  • PacerDude
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    I thought they would have played the Bengals ?? Either way - they didn't deserve a shot in the playoffs. Kind of glad it's all over - now we'll see if anything changes.

    Or is Indy sports the RUN IT BACK city ??

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  • Sollozzo
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    So would we have played Kansas City like Pittsburgh is if we had been able to sneak in? Lol that would have been a massacre. I’m really glad that we were spared from watching that atrocity.

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  • D-BONE
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    Here's something else to chew on vis a vis Wentz. One of the critiques leveled at the roster is the lack of a true #1 or #2 WR. But how good would Pittman be right now if you had a good QB? And TY, while injury prone and beyond his prime, looked ready, willing, and able to contribute substantially the last few games. Recall again the overthrow of him in the Raiders game. That is 100% a Wentz misfire and emblematic of our plight with him as starter.

    Ballard of course deserves to be under the microscope in all this. But the # 1 indicator of his responsibility is agreeing to take on Wentz. And a significant 2nd is the Fischer acquisition. Those say to me two attempts to build a contender on the cheap. Except that Wentz's performance relative to what we gave up ends up being way more expensive than it should ever have been.

    That said, if there's one legit argument in Wentz's defense, it's that he sometimes got too leaky protection from the OL. So that doubles down on Ballard's decision making/moves. Poor QB and questionable protection. The pressure tended to come most frequently from the left side.

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  • Gamble1
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    I am going to say my truth and leave it at that. I think they get into the playoffs if the team was vaccinated like the owner wanted from the start. They all have their reasons I am sure and maybe one of them has a legit reason but they brought it on themselves.

    Lastly I think Chris Ballard has to rethink this drafting and signing injuried players thing. We will have so many holes to fill and many of the holes on the defense or offense were risky FA signings or draftees.

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  • D-BONE
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    Originally posted by Sollozzo
    Don’t forget the defense. After all the hype, they allowed both LV and Jax to immediately set the tone. Any defense that allows Trevor Lawrence to look like Tom Brady when the season is on the line are complete pretenders.

    Wentz being so abysmal overshadowed just how short the defense came up these last couple games.

    I don’t think Reich and Wentz can recover from this in Indy. There are certain losses/meltdowns that haunt players/coaches forever. Atlanta blowing that Super Bowl completely ruined that team for the last 5 years. I think that this meltdown will haunt Reich and Wentz as long as they are in Indy.
    Don't disagree that the D didn't contribute to the implosion last two. However, again while there can still be important tweaks to improve it, I don't buy that it can't play better. There are playoff temas that have imperfect/inconsistent defenses just like there are playoff teams that have imperfect/inconsistent skill position groups.

    Additionally, there's a lot of talent and money invested on this D. For it to play that way also signals coaching - both HC and coordinator. While they did surrender opening TDs in both games, that's in part coming out flat two weeks in a row. And, in the Raiders game at home they turned around and produced two TOs (at least one of which was in plus field position) and the offense didn't take advantage. Realistically, in today's game, you can't expect your D to consistently hold people to 20 point or less. But that's what it would take to win consistently with this passing game.

    I mean let's not forgot the overthrow of a wide open TD to TY in the Raider game. Certainly this is far from a perfect team. Yes it needs targeted improvements well beyond the QB position (what team doesnt?). But Wentz at QB means you can't count on pass game. Thus every other area of your team requires both perfect game script and perfect play to win consistently.

    To win with Wentz, you have to overcome Wentz. It's an exercise in futility. Hell, maybe Reich deserves coach of the year after all for just guiding a Wentz-led team to (essentially) a .500 season and playoff contention. Except - and I repeat for emphasis - Wentz IS HIS GUY. Upgrade the other key areas, but FFS upgrade QB too or it will all be for naught.
    Last edited by D-BONE; 01-10-2022, 09:01 AM.

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  • Sollozzo
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    Don’t forget the defense. After all the hype, they allowed both LV and Jax to immediately set the tone. Any defense that allows Trevor Lawrence to look like Tom Brady when the season is on the line are complete pretenders.

    Wentz being so abysmal overshadowed just how short the defense came up these last couple games.

    I don’t think Reich and Wentz can recover from this in Indy. There are certain losses/meltdowns that haunt players/coaches forever. Atlanta blowing that Super Bowl completely ruined that team for the last 5 years. I think that this meltdown will haunt Reich and Wentz as long as they are in Indy.

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  • D-BONE
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    It may be true Reich and Wentz will both be back. And not having continuity at QB has been a legit misfortune Reich has suffered. That said, if both are back, be prepared for more underachievement. When I watch teams like the Raiders and Chargers, I don't see major differences in quality compared to us other than at QB.

    7 Pro Bowlers. I repeat: 7 Pro Bowlers and could not make the playoffs needing a win against two mediocre to poor teams (following wins over AZ, NE, Buffalo, and "come from ahead" losses against TN, TB, etc.)

    Sure, the Colts could use some niche improvements on the roster, but the essential difference between us and the vast majority of other playoff teams is two blatantly obvious things.

    1-Wentz is neither a starting caliber nor a playoff caliber QB. We got jobbed on that trade. There's no way he's worth a first in any universe. If you were going to trade for a QB and give up a 1st plus for the likes of Wentz, you should have just ponied up the draft capital to go after Stafford or the like. You get what you pay for. And we still got taken. Pure and simple.

    2-Reich did not have the team ready to play in two consecutive games even with the playoffs on the line. He's the offensive guy and that side of the ball was atrocious both times. Overall the team came out flat and played uninspired football twice. How do you justify that with two win and in games? And how do you totally let the momentum from the 4-1 stretch immediately before totally evaporate? That's pitiful coaching. (And, surprise, a major factor was the team losing faith having to watch Wentz make mistake after mistake - and Wentz IS Reich's guy).

    Guess I'll start preparing for another mind numbing disappointment next season.
    Last edited by D-BONE; 01-10-2022, 07:40 AM.

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  • PacerDude
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    Originally posted by IrishPacer
    Why is the running game not as important in today's NFL? Better D Lines?
    It's more the rule changes put in the game over the years that benefit the passing game. QBs are basically untouchable now. The NFL wanted more scoring and this is the result.

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