Are The Patriots Colt clones?

[DaSMASH]

This is dedicated to all the New England trolls that come to this forum.

Has anyone sat back and just looked at what the Patriots have really done?

They’ve cloned themselves an Indianapolis Colts Offense. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, or in this case Bill Belecheat has a great big case of Colt envy. He figures that doing it the Patriot way wasn’t working so now lets go out and buy some guys so that our offense runs like Indianapolis.

Player for player offensively in head to head matchup..

Tom Brady = Peyton Manning…Toss up, yeah that touchdown record won a superbowl for Manning and the Colts didn’t it?
Randy Moss = Marvin Harrison…edge Moss, but Harrison has the ring
Donte Stallworth = Reggie Wayne…..Wayne is better
Wes Welker = Brandon Stokely (since cut, replaced byTony Gonzalez)…
Welker is better
Ben Watson = Dallas Clark…….Clark is better
Kyle Brady = Ben Utecht………Toss up but, Utecht has the ring
Lawernce Marhoney = Joseph Addai….Addai is better
Sammy Morris = Dominck Rhodes (since let go and replaced by Kenton Keith)…..Morris is injured, Kevin Faulk in ….edge goes to Keith.
Patroit offensive Line = Colt offensive line (Tarik Glenn retires)..Toss up
Kickers….Gostkowski = Vinatieri…who is still the man in the clutch…Vinatieri

Offense Advantage - Colts 5 to 2 with 3 toss ups.
Home field advantage – Colts
Defense advatage -Colts

Actually the Colts have built a faster and younger defense then the Patriots.

That is the Key! The DEFENSE is 3rd in the league, where it was at the bottom last year, yet we still went into New England the last two years and kicked booty !

What it really comes down to is ball control and who scores first, if the Patriots defense is on the field for any extended drives two things happen…Tom terrific doesn’t touch the ball and the Patriots “Old Men” will run out of gas from being on the field way too much. Harrison 35, Seau 38, Vrabel 32, Bruski 34,Thomas 30, Colvin 30……..AARP anyone?

Look for a defense that will continue to put the pressure on Brady from start to finish, and also remember the Colts have put players out with injuries every game, who will it be on the Patriots???? One can only guess that Brady and Moss will be in for a “physical” kind of day…..that is if the Redskins don’t scalp them first.

[Hicks]

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This is dedicated to all the New England trolls that come to this forum.

Such as?

[DaSMASH]

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Such as?

Mal,

New England trolls or, fans as they like to be called in the daylight, are like cockroaches, they always showup unexpected and are damn hard to get rid of. I was just preparing the proper dedication.

Thats all

[Trader Joe]

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I think all this comparing the Pats and the Colts stuff is getting old especially in the media.
One thing is clear right now, the Pats and Colts as franchises and football teams are so far ahead of the rest of the NFL its not even funny. From the people that run the team to the coaches to the players on the field these two teams are clearly the cream of the crop. November 4th will help answer a lot of the questions about who is "better" but even then I think we can all agree that these two teams are destined to meet in the playoffs at some point. No one in the NFL is even remotely on their level.

[Gyron]

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Calling them out before they are even here is stupid. It will only encourage their arrival.

[SoupIsGood]

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[Slick Pinkham]

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They’ve cloned themselves an Indianapolis Colts Offense. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, or in this case Bill Belecheat has a great big case of Colt envy. He figures that doing it the Patriot way wasn’t working so now lets go out and buy some guys so that our offense runs like Indianapolis.

The Pats have basically been running a run-and-shoot shotgun/spread offense much of the time, focusing on quick slants and crossing routes. Think of it as a hybrid of west coast and run-and-shoot. Then they mix in some tight ends, since run-and-shoots are notoriously bad at protecting the QB and performing in the red zone.

Another very important wrinkle is that basically everybody is playing multiple positions, such as Randy Moss wide on the left, wide on the right, in the right slot, in the left slot. Just how often do you see Marvin Harrison line up in two or three different positions on the same drive? Ever?

The offenses are only similar in that they are effective and they pass a lot.

[Slick Pinkham]

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The transformation of the Pats offense also coincides with hiring a whiz-kid offensive coordinator named Josh McDaniels. Belichick ran the offense after Weiss left, and nobody ever considered BB an offensive genius. Defense is his thing, and he apparently gives McDaniels the same free reign to run the offense that he gave Weiss.

[Kstat]

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Mal,

New England trolls or, fans as they like to be called in the daylight, are like cockroaches, they always showup unexpected and are damn hard to get rid of. I was just preparing the proper dedication.

Thats all

...so basically, you can;t name any. Good points.

[Since86]

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Another very important wrinkle is that basically everybody is playing multiple positions, such as Randy Moss wide on the left, wide on the right, in the right slot, in the left slot. Just how often do you see Marvin Harrison line up in two or three different positions on the same drive? Ever?

You obviously you haven't watched the Colts much. Harrison will often times line up in the slot, even next to Wayne, or he'll be out of the left. Same goes for Reggie. But Dallas is the one who goes anywhere. They've even used him as a split back.

But yes, the Colts are just a straight-up style formation team.

[Trader Joe]

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Another very important wrinkle is that basically everybody is playing multiple positions, such as Randy Moss wide on the left, wide on the right, in the right slot, in the left slot. Just how often do you see Marvin Harrison line up in two or three different positions on the same drive? Ever?

The offenses are only similar in that they are effective and they pass a lot.

Harrison has actually been moving around quite a bit this season. However I'll give you that Marvin has been more prone to stay on one side of Peyton, yet even with defenses knowing pretty much where Marvin will always he has found a way to remain consistently great his entire career. Oh and he's not a cancer waiting to cause an outbreak.

[Slick Pinkham]

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On Monday night Marvin Harrison caught a deep pass lining up on the left, and the announcers made a big deal about how it is so rare that this happens.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing! Just different. And I never did say anything bad about Harrison.

It helps to execute well when you have more defined roles. It probably helps trick the opposition more when you have lots of position variability.

The Pats probably use more guys at more postions than anybody, including Vrable at tight end, Seau in the backfield, many starters on special teams, centers switching to guard, then guards switching to tackle and vice-versa, linebackers and defensive ends acting interchangably. They even gone to a no down lineman front before, with the opposing O-line has not idea what blocking strategies to use.

Yeah, I know that the Colts have for years have used their H-backs/tight ends all over the place.

It just seems to me that it is pretty clear that he Pats philosophically place an little more emphasis upon confusing the opposition whereas the Colts place an little more emphasis upon precision and out-executing the defense. That is not to say that the Colts don't take advantage fooling a defense, especially by Peyton's audibles. It just seems that their trickery is more in route adjustments than in lining multiple people up in very odd positions.

[Since86]

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Getting your info from the MNF crew? Wow, that's in-depth coverage right there.

I'm not taking it as a bad thing, or a good thing, or even a mediocore thing. I'm taking it as a wrong statement. It's just not true saying that it's rare to find Marvin lined up in the slot or on the left side of the field. Catching the pass in that formation might be rare, because that's more to the fact that Peyton spreads the ball around so much.

Is he lined up like that atleast once every drive? No, I'm not saying he is. Is he there multiple times a game? Yes, I am saying that he is.

[SoupIsGood]

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Just how often do you see Marvin Harrison line up in two or three different positions on the same drive?

Marvin does normally line up in his traditional spot, but I'm pretty sure this thing you're describing right here happened just last game...

[Moses]

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So by going out and getting the top FAs after saving up for a few seasons, the Pats are Colt clones?

The Colts didn't invent great offensive players or great offense. They have both of them, but they did not invent them. Trying to say the Patriots are attempting to "clone" the Colts is just idiotic. They don't even run many of the same offensive sets. And just to play the devils advocate, if it's so easy to clone teams, why aren't all the teams in the league "cloning the Colts" to become top offenses?

Also, Ben Watson is a better all around TE then Clark...Clark is a better pass catching TE, but Watson is a much better blocker based on strength and size alone. And I'm not sure you can even say that Keith is a better backup then Morris. I consider them equally good backups.