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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

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2018-2019 Colts Regular Season Thread

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  • Originally posted by Bball View Post

    I think Luck as a receiver was likely only supposed to be an option if the defense basically called the bluff and ignored him to focus their attention elsewhere. But for whatever reason, Brissett threw the pass to Luck even though Luck was not wide open, nor in a position to catch it and step out of bounds (which I think were likely the actual only options that were supposed to be there for that pass to happen).

    Brissett doesn't have the best touch on his passes either and that doesn't help.
    That's actually exactly what happened. Luck was super wide open which is why they threw it so quickly. The nearest player was a safety 10 yards away. If Brissett throws a halfway decent pass.and doesn't force Luck to jump for it, the safety may not even get to him to hit him,.or Luck may try to turn it up the sideline for a big gain.

    I understand the argument that you guys are making, but I just still have 0 problem potentially exposing Luck to one hit to get a 4th down conversion. He's going to get hit occasionally, and from what I've heard from injury experts his shoulder is very unlikely to be one hit away from exploding. This is not like a Tony Romo or even Aaron Rodgers situation where the collerbone kept breaking. You want to be judicious where you call those plays, but I have no problem calling that play on a key play like that.

    That Doyle injury really hurts because he was the Colts tight end that could do a little bit of everything.

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    • But why replace a receiver with a guy who doesn't get open or catch balls for a living? Forget about the risk; it's similar to putting in a third baseman to pitch the last out (or I guess a pitcher to catch).

      Statistically it's a risk that's only increased more by bringing in an inaccurate thrower to throw a cross-field pass. There were more ways for that play to fail than succeed and we're lucky we converted and escaped a larger hit, imo.

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      • Originally posted by imawhat View Post
        But why replace a receiver with a guy who doesn't get open or catch balls for a living? Forget about the risk; it's similar to putting in a third baseman to pitch the last out (or I guess a pitcher to catch).

        Statistically it's a risk that's only increased more by bringing in an inaccurate thrower to throw a cross-field pass. There were more ways for that play to fail than succeed and we're lucky we converted and escaped a larger hit, imo.
        Sure, that's a different argument but an interesting one. You are basically arguing why do teams ever put two qb's on the field at the same time. That one is harder for me to answer other than to point to that some of the best offensive minds in football like the Saints do it.

        It seems like it's best attribute is to force the defense into doing something dumb. The Dolphins would have never corner blitzed on a play like that without the 2 qb's being on the field, and even though the Colts ran the play rather poorly they still converted easily.

        I certainly could entertain the argument that putting a 2nd QB on the field is inherently a bad play. I would love to see the data on it from all the teams to see if it is working more often than not.

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        • Originally posted by imawhat View Post
          But why replace a receiver with a guy who doesn't get open or catch balls for a living? Forget about the risk; it's similar to putting in a third baseman to pitch the last out (or I guess a pitcher to catch).

          Statistically it's a risk that's only increased more by bringing in an inaccurate thrower to throw a cross-field pass. There were more ways for that play to fail than succeed and we're lucky we converted and escaped a larger hit, imo.
          I can understand it from the POV of getting the defense confused. Besides just noting the formation, they're left thinking about what the Colts could be up to with both of their QB's on the field and one lined up as a WR.
          And little time to think thru the possibilities unless they waste a timeout (if they had any at this point).

          But then you have to consider not only do you have a pass play dialed up, you have your best QB, the franchise, somewhere other than under center. So you have an important play called up and your backup under center.

          So even if we overlook the potential of Luck getting hurt, we still have to question the idea to sink or swim with the backup QB in at such an important moment.

          Of course it all worked out... so there's that...
          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

          -John Wooden

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          • Originally posted by imawhat View Post
            But why replace a receiver with a guy who doesn't get open or catch balls for a living? Forget about the risk; it's similar to putting in a third baseman to pitch the last out (or I guess a pitcher to catch).

            Statistically it's a risk that's only increased more by bringing in an inaccurate thrower to throw a cross-field pass. There were more ways for that play to fail than succeed and we're lucky we converted and escaped a larger hit, imo.
            The reason was to confuse the defense and it worked. The play design is to force the defense to cover Luck who was the third option on that play. The corner blitz forced the saftety to cover a zone that opened up Luck. If the corner doesn't blitz then Brisset doesn't throw it to Luck. The second option on that play if I remember correctly is for Brisset to run it. The coach wasnt going to allow Luck to run it so this is why he is the third option. Brisset throws a high ball to clear the corner blitz which is why he took the hit.

            The most common gadget play for 2 Qbs on a play like that is a backward lateral pass to Luck who hits a wr running a drag route.This is why the safety had to play off of Luck to respect the underneath routes where the corner blitzes from.

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            • Originally posted by Cubs231721 View Post
              I certainly could entertain the argument that putting a 2nd QB on the field is inherently a bad play. I would love to see the data on it from all the teams to see if it is working more often than not.
              Supposedly the Eagles scored touchdowns twice on 2 QB plays. My complaint is that Brissett struggles to consistently make accurate throws and is below 60% for his career. We're removing a scorching hot quarterback and putting in crapshoot while removing a receiver from the field. It did work, and they were clearly confused as Luck wasn't even covered at the line. But even then it took a heck of a catch by Luck and a nasty shot to the ribs for it to work. We wanna run Brissett at wideout, then it's a better option.

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              • You are better off running a play designed to keep the ball in the hands of your best player
                Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                • https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/st...964943361?s=21

                  Nelson is insane.

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                  • Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
                    What's even more impressive is what he did prior to the teabag -- He absolutely plowed through 2 guys.
                    There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                    • Kinda frustrating that the Colts are playing such good ball, and yet we're looking up at a Texans team that really hasn't played all that special, but somehow has eeked out an 8-game winning streak, lol.... they just won't freakin' lose. They even have a lesser +/- on the season than Indy despite having 2 more wins. Just goes to show the kind of tear Indy has been on in this winning streak. Just been a real fortuitous year for the Texans to line up that streak. I think most teams would prefer to face the Texans than the Colts at this point, yet the Texans will likely represent the South in the playoffs.
                      There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                      • Luck is the AFC Offensive Player of the Month, yay. Sorta shocked he got it over Mahomes, but I'll take it.
                        There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                        • Our TE group, which was one of the strongest units in the league a few weeks ago, is suddenly a problem, with Doyle out for the year, Alie-Cox and Swoope both out. We're down to Ebron, and then Hewitt and a new guy we just signed, Clive Walford.
                          There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                          • Swoope isn't out, as of this morning.

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                            • Luck back to bad habits, now that he's getting comfortable.
                              Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                              • Bonehead play #1 on the int. Inability to make big play #1 on what should have been 2nd int for them. Can't afford to squander opportunities. We need to get out to a lead in this one. Don't give them any momentum. Don't let them hang around.
                                I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                                -Emiliano Zapata

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