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  • #76
    Originally posted by Bluboy View Post
    Luck has been very sharp. 100% better than the first two games. He still hasn't thrown a ball more than 20 yards or so and the 49ers are not respecting his arm and they are playing him for the short passing game but he is making plays anyway and using lots of different receivers.
    I hope he doesnít the entire preseason. Make teams think he canít. But anyone who is smart knows he can. He did it at training camp tons. The 49ers are playing their defense. It has nothing to do with Luckís arm. They press and stop the run. Middle of the field is open and that is why Ebron is doing well.

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    • #77
      Luck is still taking way too much punishment running the ball. He just refuses to give up on a play and throw the ball away to avoid contact. He shouldn't be doing that.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Bluboy View Post
        Luck is still taking way too much punishment running the ball. He just refuses to give up on a play and throw the ball away to avoid contact. He shouldn't be doing that.
        Well that will just give us the better quarterback sooner. A hurt Luck means we get your boy Brissett

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        • #79
          Leonard is a stud
          Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Major Cold View Post

            Well that will just give us the better quarterback sooner. A hurt Luck means we get your boy Brissett
            I don't want him to get hurt but he needs to stop being a running back and taking big hits or that is exactly what will happen. He doesn't appear to have learned anything. One sack and ran four times but he did well to slide on two of those. I hope you will agree that it is high time that he stops taking so many hits?

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            • #81
              I do agree with you on that
              Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
                I do agree with you on that
                That is the only complaint one could have today. His passing was sharp but I still have no idea if he can throw a football more than 20 yards. I feel so strongly about him not running the ball that I would come up with a big fine, every time he runs it out when he could have thrown it away. I know the money won't matter but it is just the idea of pounding into his hard head that he is the whole season for this team. If he gets hurt on some small run, the whole team suffers.
                Last edited by Bluboy; 08-25-2018, 06:33 PM.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Bluboy View Post

                  I don't want him to get hurt but he needs to stop being a running back and taking big hits or that is exactly what will happen. He doesn't appear to have learned anything. One sack and ran four times but he did well to slide on two of those. I hope you will agree that it is high time that he stops taking so many hits?
                  I donít know. Since Brissett is better they should move Luck to RB since we are lacking bodies there.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Bluboy View Post

                    I agree with this and overall the Colts may have the worst talent in the NFL. It may take five more years for them to get competitive. Even if Luck returns to his old form, I don't see him being able to change his game to quick short passing game the Colts want. He just doesn't spot receivers or secondary receivers that quickly and he will hold onto the ball and the protection will break down or he will run out of it and take more big hits. He won't last long. It would be nice, just once this entire year, to see Luck just throw the ball away and avoid a big hit. I had the Colts at six wins this year with our without Luck give or take two wins. I think they will struggle to win that many and four wins give or take two is probably more realistic. I am hoping for a fair QB competition and if Luck wins that competition, so be it and here is hoping he works his way back to close to what he was when he came into the NFL. He really hasn't improved much since then from what I see. Some of that could be the coaching and scheme but I will be watching to see if he can even adapt to this new coach and scheme. He is obviously a brilliant individual but he has never appeared to be anything close to Peyton football smart and I really don't expect him to be. But I would like to see him above average in that sense and I don't think that he is right now.
                    I am not sure how Luck compares to others in terms of frequency running with the ball. But he does seem to run quite a bit especially compared to Manning. He also seems to take more significant hits. Just as you said this morning, and he took some hits. There is a lot riding on Luck getting and staying healthy and running this much isn't a good approach even if his legs are the healthiest part of his body. If quarterbacks were meant for running the ball, they would be called something else like running back.

                    Here is a listing of characteristics that make great QB's. I don't see running the ball as one of them.

                    The qualities of an elite NFL quarterback include
                    • Combination of superior arm strength and pinpoint accuracy
                    • Sixth sense connection with receivers, ability to place the ball where only the receiver can get it
                    • Learns the offensive system and runs it with unfettered poise
                    • Studies film; able to read opponent's defensive schemes and anticipate their likely moves
                    • Able to stay calm in the midst of pressure and make wise decisions about how best to distribute the ball
                    • Ability to quickly scan the entire field to find the most open receiver
                    • Mastery of the 2 minute offense
                    • Demonstrates leadership on the field; motivates and makes other players better
                    • Openly shares his appreciation and all success with the other members on the team
                    • The ability to lead a team back to victory in the fourth quarter.
                    • Rises to the occasion in all games; even more so in big games

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                      I am not sure how Luck compares to others in terms of frequency running with the ball. But he does seem to run quite a bit especially compared to Manning. He also seems to take more significant hits. Just as you said this morning, and he took some hits. There is a lot riding on Luck getting and staying healthy and running this much isn't a good approach even if his legs are the healthiest part of his body. If quarterbacks were meant for running the ball, they would be called something else like running back.

                      Here is a listing of characteristics that make great QB's. I don't see running the ball as one of them.

                      The qualities of an elite NFL quarterback include
                      • Combination of superior arm strength and pinpoint accuracy
                      • Sixth sense connection with receivers, ability to place the ball where only the receiver can get it
                      • Learns the offensive system and runs it with unfettered poise
                      • Studies film; able to read opponent's defensive schemes and anticipate their likely moves
                      • Able to stay calm in the midst of pressure and make wise decisions about how best to distribute the ball
                      • Ability to quickly scan the entire field to find the most open receiver
                      • Mastery of the 2 minute offense
                      • Demonstrates leadership on the field; motivates and makes other players better
                      • Openly shares his appreciation and all success with the other members on the team
                      • The ability to lead a team back to victory in the fourth quarter.
                      • Rises to the occasion in all games; even more so in big games
                      I bolded the only two of these things that I have doubts about concerning Luck. If he keeps running he will be out for the season soon. There is a reason why running backs have such short careers. The great ones don't run it, they throw the ball away to avoid hits. Luck has never learned this in spite of his serious injuries. In his rookie year, he threw an interception and thundered down the field and made a fierce tackle of the ball carrier. Arians told him that he wasn't to do that especially with his throwing shoulder. Luck replied, "I threw the interception, I make the tackle."

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Bluboy View Post

                        I bolded the only two of these things that I have doubts about concerning Luck. If he keeps running he will be out for the season soon. There is a reason why running backs have such short careers. The great ones don't run it, they throw the ball away to avoid hits. Luck has never learned this in spite of his serious injuries. In his rookie year, he threw an interception and thundered down the field and made a fierce tackle of the ball carrier. Arians told him that he wasn't to do that especially with his throwing shoulder. Luck replied, "I threw the interception, I make the tackle."
                        I appreciate Luck's heart. It's why he was willing to throw the ball while his shoulder was injured. He wants to give the game all he's got. Gotta love that. But he doesn't have a great track record of playing smart or knowing when to fold'em. He has to stop running the ball right now. Assuming his arm is going to be OK, his style could cut years off his career.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                          I appreciate Luck's heart. It's why he was willing to throw the ball while his shoulder was injured. He wants to give the game all he's got. Gotta love that. But he doesn't have a great track record of playing smart or knowing when to fold'em. He has to stop running the ball right now. Assuming his arm is going to be OK, his style could cut years off his career.
                          I have been saying that since the day he was drafted.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Bluboy View Post

                            I have been saying that since the day he was drafted.
                            Here is the article in the Star after the injury in 2015. Even then they were talking about the pounding he was getting. The reality is, it got him on September 29th, 2015. He keeps playing like this and we are likely to see another injury. But he's got to be able to throw it with power and distance...and stop running.

                            https://www.indystar.com/story/sport...tice/73090580/
                            Source: Star
                            Summary: Article the day after the BIG injury

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                              I am not sure how Luck compares to others in terms of frequency running with the ball. But he does seem to run quite a bit especially compared to Manning. He also seems to take more significant hits. Just as you said this morning, and he took some hits. There is a lot riding on Luck getting and staying healthy and running this much isn't a good approach even if his legs are the healthiest part of his body. If quarterbacks were meant for running the ball, they would be called something else like running back.[/LIST]
                              Luck has been around 62-64 carries per year. That would have put him in a tie for 5th among QB's last year (ironically with Jacoby Brissett). Cam Newton and Russell Wilson are way out in front of the field in carries. Aaron Rodgers often carries it around the same amount as Luck but obviously was hurt last year.

                              I actually don't mind Luck carrying the ball. It's an important part of his game. Like Cam, he's a big strong guy that can take some punishment. I'm glad he's sliding more, I want him to throw the ball away a little more, but I don't want to stifle his running too much. Sure, you have a little higher chance of injury, but from everything I have heard I don't think he's at massive risk of breaking anytime soon.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Cubs231721 View Post

                                Luck has been around 62-64 carries per year. That would have put him in a tie for 5th among QB's last year (ironically with Jacoby Brissett). Cam Newton and Russell Wilson are way out in front of the field in carries. Aaron Rodgers often carries it around the same amount as Luck but obviously was hurt last year.

                                I actually don't mind Luck carrying the ball. It's an important part of his game. Like Cam, he's a big strong guy that can take some punishment. I'm glad he's sliding more, I want him to throw the ball away a little more, but I don't want to stifle his running too much. Sure, you have a little higher chance of injury, but from everything I have heard I don't think he's at massive risk of breaking anytime soon.
                                I think he can be effective running the ball. But he was too good of a passing QB to be running it so much. Russell Wilson is very good overall and many will say he's better than Luck. I think if Luck had been a pocket QB and kept from getting his kidney lacerated and his shoulder torn apart, he'd have many more touchdowns and yards...and essentially be a better QB. So no, not a fan of a QB running the football. Their talent is too important to risk it. Rodgers was injured scrambling and while it was a shovel pass he was essentially running it. It's just not a good idea to risk that when you have a golden armed QB who is essentially irreplaceable.
                                Last edited by BlueNGold; 08-25-2018, 11:32 PM.

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