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Potential Draft Picks for the Indianapolis Colts in the 2018 NFL Draft

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  • #46
    Ryan Kelly was a high o-line draft pick for us too, how has that worked out? And Hooker? You can't ignore talent just because he "might" get hurt. I don't like passing up bluechips. All draft picks have a chance to bust. You have to at least give yourself a chance to land talent. Like I said, they can make that o-line better this off-season and still land Barkley. And I'm not even saying just Barkley, I'd be happy with Chubb, too.

    Either way, you have to land impact this high. We can't be getting ourselves into this scenario with an opportunity to land a big-time player or players, and walk out with a bunch of nothing.
    Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 01-03-2018, 12:06 AM.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
      Ryan Kelly was a high o-line draft pick for us too, how has that worked out? And Hooker? You can't ignore talent just because he "might" get hurt. I don't like passing up bluechips. All draft picks have a chance to bust. You have to at least give yourself a chance to land talent. Like I said, they can make that o-line better this off-season and still land Barkley. And I'm not even saying just Barkley, I'd be happy with Chubb, too.

      Either way, you have to land impact this high. We can't be getting ourselves into this scenario with an opportunity to land a big-time player or players, and walk out with a bunch of nothing.
      You just made my point. You take the Oline man or the edge rusher. Hooker was a mid first round pick and we took him much higher than he was projected to go. But we probably didn't have the trade down option. I think they took Hooker too high to because of his injury history and sure enough he landed on the IR. However, he is a talent if he can come back from that injury. So trade the pick and get a later round pick to get someone like those two and have an extra pick or two to go with it. Much better than taking a running back that you will stick behind a bad OLine and watch him get a career ending injury like Luck.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Bluboy View Post

        You just made my point. You take the Oline man or the edge rusher. Hooker was a mid first round pick and we took him much higher than he was projected to go. But we probably didn't have the trade down option. I think they took Hooker too high to because of his injury history and sure enough he landed on the IR. However, he is a talent if he can come back from that injury. So trade the pick and get a later round pick to get someone like those two and have an extra pick or two to go with it. Much better than taking a running back that you will stick behind a bad OLine and watch him get a career ending injury like Luck.
        Predicting that guys will get injured in football is a good gig, eh? Eventually, they are going to get hurt, and you can claim to be "right". And stop it with this career ending injury **** with Luck. You are presenting it as a fact. It's not. It might be someday, but we aren't there yet. I know your entire schtick is based around bashing Luck, but come on.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by cdash View Post

          Predicting that guys will get injured in football is a good gig, eh? Eventually, they are going to get hurt, and you can claim to be "right". And stop it with this career ending injury **** with Luck. You are presenting it as a fact. It's not. It might be someday, but we aren't there yet. I know your entire schtick is based around bashing Luck, but come on.
          I am not bashing him. The Colts drafted him but never gave him an offensive line. It isn't Luck's fault that he has a serious injury. I just hate to see the same thing happen again to another player.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
            I would argue that we drafted Manning and Marshall without having an O-line either. You just don't pass up opportunities like this, Blu. If we were drafting mid-first, sure, you go o-line. But at #3? We didn't suck all year just to trade down and take a bunch of middling linemen. You get Luck another star.

            You have many other avenues for addressing the oline. If you're able to trade down to like #5 and pick up another pick or two, then sure. But I wouldn't go any further than that. You still have to land someone of major impact in the top 5. This roster is devoid of bluechips. We have a single bluechip, and he's missed most of the past two seasons.

            And again, I'm not saying ignore the O-line. I'm just saying, we don't have to get o-line with #3. Trade down af ew spots, and use the picks we picked up on o-line, but with only 1 o-line prospect even worthy of top-5 talk, we aren't necessarily married to an o-lineman in the top 5.

            Tarik Glenn was drafted the year before Manning was. However the draft as a whole is a crapshoot I hope the Colts pick the best player that's left and go from there.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Bluboy View Post

              You just made my point. You take the Oline man or the edge rusher. Hooker was a mid first round pick and we took him much higher than he was projected to go. But we probably didn't have the trade down option. I think they took Hooker too high to because of his injury history and sure enough he landed on the IR. However, he is a talent if he can come back from that injury. So trade the pick and get a later round pick to get someone like those two and have an extra pick or two to go with it. Much better than taking a running back that you will stick behind a bad OLine and watch him get a career ending injury like Luck.
              Hooker might have been projected lower on some boards, but that certainly wasn't the consensus. I just looked at 6 mock drafts from last year, and he was projected at 7th, 7th, 9th, 13th, 17th, and 19th.

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              • #52
                This draft will be a huge factor in defining Ballard's worth as a GM. It's as "make or break" as one draft can possibly be.....

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                  This draft will be a huge factor in defining Ballard's worth as a GM. It's as "make or break" as one draft can possibly be.....
                  It's definitely a big draft for him, a big offseason in general. But the success or failure of Ballard's tenure as GM rests solely on the shoulders of Andrew Luck (no pun intended). If Luck never regains his old form, it's going to be a long, slow climb upward for this franchise.

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                  • #54
                    I hope we either trade down or draft Barkley. I don't want an o-lineman who otherwise would have gone about 10 spots lower.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Bluboy View Post
                      ...I think they took Hooker too high to because of his injury history and sure enough he landed on the IR.
                      Well, his IR injury was a hit to the side of the knee on a planted leg while running. That one doesn't have much to do with an injury history. He looked pretty darn good and worthy of the draft spot before that.

                      I'm probably more concerned about Ryan Kelly's injuries. He was supposed to be a long-term anchor on the O-line. Or at least one piece of the puzzle that we addressed.

                      Last year I vaguely remember seeing improvement on the o-line from day-to-day and Philbin has a reputation as a good line coach, but this year was a huge mess. I have no idea if we need better players (well, you always need that), better coaching, or just everybody staying healthy. Or play calling - I don't think we did a very good job calling plays that helped the line, and having QBs that hold the ball forever doesn't help either. Figuring out this mess and how to fix it has to be a very high priority for the GM (and whoever the new coach is).

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by cdash View Post

                        It's definitely a big draft for him, a big offseason in general. But the success or failure of Ballard's tenure as GM rests solely on the shoulders of Andrew Luck (no pun intended). If Luck never regains his old form, it's going to be a long, slow climb upward for this franchise.
                        True, but if Luck gets healthy, then Ballard's performance will dictate whether Luck is carrying relatively weak rosters like 12-14, or whether he is leading a great roster that can legitimately contend for a Super Bowl.

                        At some point, if Tom Brady really is a human being from planet Earth, then he has to age like Every. Single. Other. Quarterback. Hell it might not happen for another 3 years at this rate, but it has to happen at some point. Big Ben won't be around forever either. With a healthy Luck, the Colts could be right back in contention. I just hope it's with Luck playing on a legitimately good roster instead of him pulling out crazy wins with weak teams.

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                        • #57
                          Of course, I'll be happy with solid OLine picks almost anywhere in any draft. The great downfall of this franchise over my entire lifetime has been a failure to consistently produce high-quality play along either side of the line of scrimmage. Saturday and Glenn were terrific, but as they aged, we have never really replaced them. Freeney and Mathis are Hall of Famers, but when did they ever have interior support in the run game? And since Polian? It'd be laughable if not for the catastrophic results and injuries our lines have yielded.

                          That said, it doesn't look like the 3rd overall pick this year has an OL player rated that high. I'd certainly entertain the idea of trading back and collecting picks with as many needs as we have. And, I do anticipate Ballard being pro-active in his moves. But, IMO, we've got a real shot at Bradley Chubb or Saquon Barkley, and I think either of them would be tremendous for this franchise. Frank Gore (God bless that fool) won't last forever, and Marlon Mack looks like a solid change-of-pace back. And Bradley Chubb - oh my goodness. Dude looks like a monster that just keeps coming after you. Right now, I'm definitely leaning toward drafting Bradley Chubb. And for that matter, it looks like his cousin Nick (RB, Georgia) might be around early in the second (according to WalterFootball's latest mock), and I'd be happy to get both of those guys.
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                          • #58
                            A large part of the o-line issues is they don't seem to put much emphasis on personnel in this area during the off-season. They draft 1-2 guys a year, usually mid-round, bring in some middling FA, and say, "We like what we got, we're going with this", and everyone is like, "What?" scratching their heads.

                            To me, it's not a hard concept. Go get offensive lineman, and not FA fodder and late-round picks. Go get some friggin linemen. Issue solved. It's been a 5-year lesson in WTF each off-season. The Castonzo experiment, to me, needs to end. We get some guys who produce, and they inevitably get injured.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                              A large part of the o-line issues is they don't seem to put much emphasis on personnel in this area during the off-season. They draft 1-2 guys a year, usually mid-round, bring in some middling FA, and say, "We like what we got, we're going with this", and everyone is like, "What?" scratching their heads.

                              To me, it's not a hard concept. Go get offensive lineman, and not FA fodder and late-round picks. Go get some friggin linemen. Issue solved. It's been a 5-year lesson in WTF each off-season. The Castonzo experiment, to me, needs to end. We get some guys who produce, and they inevitably get injured.
                              I agree with this. Not many free agent linemen work out for any team from what I have seen. Dallas spent lots of high picks building their line and they play together for a long time. Over 100 sacks over the last two years. We should replace all of them but Kelly and I am beginning to wonder about his ability to stay on the field.

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                              • #60
                                Well, picks 1-2 are pretty much set: Darnold and Rosen both declared for the draft today.

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