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2017 Andrew Luck Watch

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  • 2017 Andrew Luck Watch

    Ok, might as well give this its own thread since it will be a Colts topic all season. For one, any status reports on progress, and two, when/if he does come back I'm sure his play and shoulder will be extra scrutinized.
    So.... Jan 19th... Surgery on shoulder reported by Irsay. Irsay tweets he'll be ready for season.

    Blah blah blah...

    PUP for preseason. Off at last second prior to season.

    Blah blah blah...

    Game one: out.

    Not practicing.

    Rumors Luck wants out of Coltland.

    Rumors shot down by agent. Luck shows up at Colts practice, but not to practice.

    Game 2: out

    Note: I found a rumor, and posted last night with link but it appears to be lost, that said a Colts lineman claimed to someone that he doubted Luck would be back this season and that the injury/reinjury was from a snowboarding accident after the season. Hence, the reason why the surgery didn't happen immediately following the season. It also included a link to an older Luck interview where he listed snowboarding as a favorite activity. So there that...

    9/19 Luck officially ruled out of Game 3 and by 9/20 it's made official he isn't practicing this week. Pagano claims to know no more than anyone else.... From ESPN
    http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/p...on-andrew-luck
    Reporter: Is Andrew Luck practicing today or this week?

    Pagano: No.

    Pagano then answered several other questions before the subject was shifted back to his franchise quarterback.

    Reporter: Is Andrew Luck getting there (health wise)?

    Pagano: Yeah... Yeah.

    Reporter: The whole world is dying to know what's going on. Do you guys know more than what you're saying?

    Pagano: You know as much as we know as God as my witness.

    Reporter: Really?

    Pagano: When he trots out there (for practice), as God as my witness.

    Reporter: How much is this up to Andrew to decide, OK I'm ready to go?

    Pagano: Again we listen to our doctors and trainers. I'm sorry to sound like a broken record but that's what we do. When they say he's ready. He's pushing and they're pushing him.

    Reporter: Does he seem anxious to play?

    Pagano: What do you think?

    Reporter: I don't know. I haven't talked to him. I'd like to ask him.

    Pagano: Do you think he's a competitor?

    Reporter: I do.

    Pagano: OK, then that would answer your question.
    And so it goes....
    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

    -John Wooden

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    Re: 2017 Andrew Luck Watch

    Out for the year.
    {o,o}
    |)__)
    -"-"-

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    • #3
      Re: 2017 Andrew Luck Watch

      Until that line shows any ability to pass protect, I don't even want him out there.
      There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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      • #4
        Re: 2017 Andrew Luck Watch

        When I first saw the title of the thread, my first thought was "Well, it wouldn't run ....."

        Anyway - if he's not playing by week 6, then someone has some 'splainin to do about not keeping him on the PUP list ......

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        • #5
          Re: 2017 Andrew Luck Watch

          I guess my post earlier about Luck possibly injuring his shoulder(albeit rumor) via snowboarding was deleted. Plausible.

          Course could be complete BS but this is what the Colts did to themselves with how they played this out.

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          • #6
            Re: 2017 Andrew Luck Watch

            Deja vu?


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            • #7
              Re: 2017 Andrew Luck Watch

              Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
              I guess my post earlier about Luck possibly injuring his shoulder(albeit rumor) via snowboarding was deleted. Plausible.

              Course could be complete BS but this is what the Colts did to themselves with how they played this out.
              Actually, it would be more like playing week 7-8 or so... Or really, simply practicing at any point between now and the end of 6 weeks. So I'll give the Colts that for right now. The PUP would mean he couldn't practice, not just play. At least that is how I understand it. So let's say at week 5 he or the doctors, or Jimmy Chitwood decides it's time for him to "play some ball" and get on the practice field for a couple of weeks before suiting up for a game. Well, with the PUP he couldn't do that. He'd have to wait until the 6 weeks have cleared before practicing. Which would then delay his 'comeback' even more.
              As it stands now, he could play a limited role in practice next week, ramp it up a couple of weeks, and be playing week 7. Theoretically.

              I still say there's more to the story in some form and clearly things aren't going to plan. The question is, why aren't the Colts more open? Is it just for ticket sales? While they've finally ruled him out THIS week... they have to know with him not practicing this week, he isn't playing next week either.

              It would be nice to hear some honesty like "While we expected and hoped he'd be ready for the first game, he experienced some pain this spring and so the doctors decided to understandably slow the rehab down. While the pain has/has not subsided, it definitely slowed the process to get where we are now. We don't expect to see him practicing for X more days at minimum, while hoping it could be sooner, and don't expect him to play until at least he's had X weeks of practice. At which point he'll start/be on the bench for that first game back as he finds his way back into game action. And now I will turn the mic over to Andrew for your questions"....
              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

              -John Wooden

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                Re: 2017 Andrew Luck Watch

                Exactly. The dodgy answers are only adding fuel to the fire. A little transparency would have gone a long way for anxious fans, but instead I'm thinking something's awry.

                They're treating this injury (publicly) different than any other serious injury, and that's why it immediately raised red flags.

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                • #9
                  Re: 2017 Andrew Luck Watch

                  Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                  Exactly. The dodgy answers are only adding fuel to the fire. A little transparency would have gone a long way for anxious fans, but instead I'm thinking something's awry.

                  They're treating this injury (publicly) different than any other serious injury, and that's why it immediately raised red flags.

                  They're treating it like Manning's injury actually.

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                  • #10
                    Re: 2017 Andrew Luck Watch

                    Here's my stance on the entire season:

                    1) Luck isn't anywhere close to returning
                    2) When he is ready to return, two things have to be in place for me to even bother putting him back out there: 1) this o line has to show that they can function, and 2) this team has to be competitive. If it's week 7, and we have 1 win --- F it, sit him down all year. Try again next year.
                    3) IF we are competitive by some miracle --- that's because of one person and one person only --- Jacoby Brissett. Our season completely hinges on that guy right now. If he ends up being like the long list of noodle-arms that have graced our backup QB spot for 2 decades --- we are f'd and the season is over. If he turns out to be a surprise and we have a generally-functional offense, and our defense holds things down, and we're hovering around .500, then bring Luck back and see where it goes.

                    So, that's basically it. Our season hinges on one Jacoby Brissett until Luck is ready.

                    That said... I liked what I saw from him in the one game. Small sample, but... if he could do that with only 2 weeks in our system, then there's *some* modicum of hope that things will look better in the coming weeks. But, he's gotta dig us out of a 2-loss hole. If our schedule was anywhere close to being challenging, I'd say our chances are pretty much nil, but somehow we landed an extremely weak-*** schedule the first half of the season, so who knows where this is gonna go.

                    Right now, though, it's pretty much a **** sandwich.
                    There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                    • #11
                      Re: 2017 Andrew Luck Watch

                      If Luck is healthy, and the doctors give him the go ahead to practice/play, and you don't play him, how much do we think Andrew Luck is going to like that? How do you keep a competitive guy like that off the field if he's feeling good and got the medical go ahead?

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                      • #12
                        Re: 2017 Andrew Luck Watch

                        Originally posted by cdash View Post
                        If Luck is healthy, and the doctors give him the go ahead to practice/play, and you don't play him, how much do we think Andrew Luck is going to like that? How do you keep a competitive guy like that off the field if he's feeling good and got the medical go ahead?
                        Its also possible that he might be thinking long term and realize after all these injuries that this is a lost season with Pagano being a lame duck and all.

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                        • #13
                          Re: 2017 Andrew Luck Watch

                          Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                          Its also possible that he might be thinking long term and realize after all these injuries that this is a lost season with Pagano being a lame duck and all.
                          It's possible, but for a competitive guy like Luck, a leader of the team, to pretty much quit on his guys...that's tough. It's not just an indictment of Pagano--it's of his teammates. Whether it's right or not (and it is; the roster is trash), it's a bad signal to send as a leader. Pagano is gone either way. If I'm an athlete and only have x amount of time to play, man, that would be really freaking tough for me to swallow.

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                          • #14
                            Re: 2017 Andrew Luck Watch

                            Luck expected to practice next week.... or so this says.... ESPN

                            Indianapolis Colts quarterback Andrew Luck is expected to begin practicing as early as this week, a major step toward his eventual return to the playing field, according to sources familiar with Luck's rehabilitation from shoulder surgery in mid-January.

                            Sources say Luck will likely require two to three weeks of preparation for his first start of 2017, which would project a potential return around Weeks 5 to 7, barring any setbacks.

                            Regardless, the Colts are sticking with their edict that there is no specific timeline or deadline.

                            Luck's quest to return has included a phone call within recent weeks to New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees, who shared his experience in recovering from a major shoulder injury in 2006. That conversation led to Luck paying a visit to Brees' physical therapist, Dr. Kevin Wilk, in conjunction and cooperation with the Colts' hierarchy and medical staff, sources said.

                            Luck had not suffered any setbacks before he turned to Brees and Wilk, but sources say his recent progress has been noticeable and encouraging enough that he is expected to participate in limited portions of practice as early as next week, which will be a necessary leg of his rehab to resuming his job as the Colts' starting quarterback.

                            Luck's practice plan will be designed not to interfere with current starter Jacoby Brissett's preparations.

                            There is zero thought that Luck will sit out the season, regardless of the Colts' record when he is cleared to play, sources said. He wants to play, and orthopedic specialists and therapists have advised that it is in the best long-term interest to play once his shoulder has full strength, endurance and range of motion.

                            The Colts do not have Luck on the physically unable to perform list. Otherwise the quarterback would not have been permitted to practice until after Week 6.
                            http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...racticing-week
                            Last edited by Bball; 09-24-2017, 12:26 PM.
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                            ------

                            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                            -John Wooden

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                            • #15
                              Re: 2017 Andrew Luck Watch

                              Interesting they rather have him start vs the Titans but not the 49ers (for the Manning jersey retirement game) I figured if he was going to comeback this would be the date.

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