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  • #361
    Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

    http://www.wthr.com/article/kravitz-...-never-know-it

    KRAVITZ: If former Colt Curtis Painter has any football regrets, you’d never know it


    INDIANAPOLIS (WTHR) - I’m sorry.

    “I appreciate you saying that,’’ Curtis Painter says over a cup of coffee at Noble Coffee & Tea Company in downtown Noblesville. “But it’s not necessary. Not at all.’’

    Maybe not, but since Painter faded from the local sports scene, moving on to the New York Giants before getting cut in 2014 and ultimately returning to his home in Westfield, I’ve wanted to say those words to him. Because I was, in a word, brutal during Painter’s unfortunate time here in Indianapolis, especially when he played a role in the death of the 2009 perfect season, then when he struggled so badly during the 2-14 2011 season. I delivered head shots, cheap shots, body blows, the works.

    That’s not to say that Painter, the Purdue graduate, was any great shakes as an NFL quarterback; he wasn’t, struggling in his rare opportunities to play during the regular season. But he didn’t quite deserve the wrath I directed his way, especially when he was thrown into almost-impossible situations in December 2009 and then in 2011. Call it misdirected anger; my real issue was with Bill Polian, first for punting the perfect season and then for failing to have a contingency plan in case Peyton Manning was injured. Painter, then, was collateral damage, the embodiment of everything that stunk about the imperfect season and the 2-14 disaster.

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    So here I was, telling Painter again that I regretted some of the nastiness I threw in his general direction, when an older gentleman walked by our table and thanked Painter for the work he and his wife did during a recent wedding at their family business, Mustard Seed Gardens in Noblesville.

    They shook hands and the gentleman walked away.

    “He has no idea, does he?’’ I wondered.

    “No idea about what?’’ Painter asked.

    “That you’re Curtis Painter, former NFL quarterback,’’ I said.

    “Nope,’’ he said. “And that’s great. I’m more than fine with that.’’

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    And he is. He is perfectly happy being a regular guy – a slimmed-down and shorn regular guy who no longer has long hair and looks “like a hippie,’’ as he described himself. He is perfectly happy working with his wife, Megan, in their family business, a wedding and banquet facility in Noblesville. He loves the ordinariness of it, commuting a few short miles every morning with his wife, working with her, playing some golf in his free time and living in semi-anonymity.

    Honestly, this is not the column I thought I’d be writing.

    Even though I remembered Painter as a quiet, even-tempered soul who never betrayed any frustration for the way things went down for him in Indianapolis, I thought, “Maybe he’s still marked by the Jets’ loss that ruined the perfect season. Maybe he’s tired of being a football punchline after losing, and losing some more, as the Colts’ primary starter during the 2-14 debacle. Maybe there’s some bitterness or some harsh memories that spook him still.’’

    Nahhhhh…

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    He’s grateful. That’s what he is. He’s grateful he made it to this elite level, becoming one of those rare athletes who reaches the National Football League. He’s grateful he got a chance to back up both Mannings, first Peyton here and then Eli in New York. He looks back at his career, which ended in 2014 after the Giants cut him, with lots of joy and few, if any, regrets.

    But, I wondered, how about the impossible situation he was thrust into when he walked into that Jets game with the Colts leading 15-10 late in the third quarter against a Jets team that was playing for a post-season spot? After all, he wasn’t even the Colts’ usual backup; that was Jim Sorgi, who was injured. How about all the boos that accompanied his entrance into the game, and the boos that persisted during the game when Painter, a rookie that season, was strip sacked on just his second possession, resulting in a touchdown? How about all the residual fan anger that persisted long after the Colts exited the field, their chance at history scuttled?

    “I never felt like I was unfairly thrust into anything, honestly,’’ Painter said. “ I looked at it as a great opportunity. It just didn’t work out.’’

    That Jets game still rates as one of the most unusual events in Indianapolis sports history. The 14-0 Colts led 15-10 with 5:36 left in the third quarter, at which point head coach Jim Caldwell pulled a number of his starters, most notably Manning. The boos cascaded down from the stadium’s upper reaches. There was the strip-sack for a touchdown. From that point forward, the Jets, a team with a formidable defense, knew the Colts could not score again, then ran the ball consistently and put away a decisive 29-15 victory.

    Painter’s final stats: 4-of-11 for 44 yards, one interception and an 11.2 quarterback rating.

    Peyton Manning in 2009
    Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning and coach Jim Caldwell watch from the sideline as backup QB Curtis Painter took over in the second half against the New York Jets on Dec. 27, 2009. The Jets defeated the Colts 29-15. (AP Photo/Michael Conroy)
    Meanwhile, Manning stood alone on the sidelines, his helmet still on his head, his arms crossed.

    After the game, several players who normally speak freely with the media – Gary Brackett being one of them – high-tailed it out of the locker room for fear of saying something regrettable. Manning, who would call a team meeting later in the week to quell the player uprising, was exceedingly political after the game, but he was seething, clearly.

    “We tried to score as many points as we could; we put Curtis Painter in a tough position,’’ he said. “This was our organizational philosophy that we stuck with. We still had a chance to win the game. Until any player in here is the head coach, as a player you follow orders and you follow them with all your heart.’’

    Reggie Wayne was not quite as circumspect.

    “Who wouldn’t want [to pursue perfection]?’’ he said that day. “I mean, who wouldn’t? Doesn’t everybody want to be part of history? Not a season goes by that you don’t hear about the ’72 Dolphins.

    “I guess there’s a bigger picture. We all wanted to play, but the big dog made a decision and we have to roll with that decision. We came out after halftime and felt like we were starting to roll and could score some points, but the manager took us off the mound.’’

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    Painter was told earlier in the week there was a good chance he would get an opportunity to play, but his emotions were mixed. Like most of his teammates – Jeff Saturday still calls that decision the biggest regret of his career – Painter wanted to continue the pursuit of the perfect season. But he felt, too, like this was a rare opportunity to not only play but contribute to an amazing run of almost-flawless football. When you play behind Manning, these chances don’t often come along. Like, ever.

    This was his opportunity to contribute to something special.

    It didn’t happen.

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    And yet, it didn’t puncture him emotionally. Details he remembers from those sour times? He doesn’t really remember much. Doesn’t remember the boos. Doesn’t remember the post-game lockerroom. It’s not that he has conveniently consigned those memories to the dustbin of history, it’s just that, well, there are more important things in life.

    “I guess that’s just the way I’m built,’’ he said with a shrug. “There’s not a lot that bothers me. I’ve got a good life. And I appreciated every minute I got to play in the NFL, but I’ve moved on.’’

    Clearly, I have not.

    And yes…I’m still sorry.

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    • #362
      Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

      http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-indianapolis/

      Robert Mathis regrets winning only one ring in Indianapolis


      Robert Mathis retired this year after a 14-year NFL career, all with the Colts. He was a six-time Pro Bowler and won a Super Bowl ring. But only one.

      As Mathis looks back on his career, he sees a lot of accomplishment, but also regret, for the fact that a Colts team that came close many times only won one Super Bowl.

      “Looking back on that team, I feel a mix of pride, and I’ll admit, the slightest bit of disappointment,” Mathis wrote at the Players’ Tribune. “I’m so proud of what we accomplished during our era of Colts football, but I think every person, down to the last man, would tell you that he expected to win more than one ring in Indy. If there’s any regret I have from my career, it’s that.”

      The Colts made the playoffs in each of Mathis’s first eight seasons, then missed the playoffs in the year of Peyton Manning’s neck injury and returned to the playoffs for three more consecutive years with Andrew Luck at quarterback. They were consistently among the best teams in the league, and yet they only ended the year on top once. It’s hard not to look at those Colts teams and think that as good as they were, they could have done even more in the postseason.

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      • #363
        Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

        Some bad news to kick off training camp.


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        • #364
          Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

          Apparently Luck started throwing and will begin camp on PUP list.

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          • #365
            Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

            I'm still nervous about Luck. And now you can add Malik Hooked to the injury concern list. He had two surgeries before we drafted him and has now tweaked his hammy.

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            • #366
              Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

              Luck's recent injury troubles really put into perspective how remarkable it was that Manning played the first 13 years of his career without missing a start.

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              • #367
                Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

                Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                I'm still nervous about Luck. And now you can add Malik Hooked to the injury concern list. He had two surgeries before we drafted him and has now tweaked his hammy.
                The thing with Luck is how mysterious they've been about the timetable until just recently. And even that is a little odd considering how easy it would have been to have already prepared everyone for him not playing in the preseason, or just now resuming throwing. I don't think it would be quite the elephant in the room if immediately following the surgery they'd said "While it's possible he could be ready to play in training camp, we're thinking a more realistic timetable is to simply have him ready to resume throwing and work a limited schedule in training camp and more focus on the start of the season. We just want to make sure he doesn't rush the rehab to try and be back for the first preseason game. The preseason just isn't that important of a goal. We want this issue to heal, and heal properly. It'll take however long it takes, but the typical expectation is it'll be August before he's cleared to resume a normal schedule. Late July for throwing. And at that point he's going to need to knock some rust off, work on rebuilding his velocity and normal motion, and just reacclimate himself with game speed. So we don't plan to throw him to the wolves in the preseason."

                It just feels like there was a setback or something hasn't went according to plan early on or else there'd been a better idea about progress and timetable before now. And even now, something more concrete without caveats would be nice to allay fears.

                I suppose if you're trying to sell tickets and there's actually a chance Luck won't be ready for the opener, let alone the home opener, you'd sell more tickets keeping that close to the vest and hoping for an advanced timetable. But again, you'd think if this timetable as laid out this week is 100% normal then it would've been laid out months ago.

                So it's weird how it's been handled... even if it is expected as they are acting like... IMHO....
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                -John Wooden

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                • #368
                  Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

                  Well it's the Colts, so being mysterious about an injury just comes with the territory.

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                  • #369
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                    • #370
                      Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

                      Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post

                      Just bizarre...
                      Is it not possible for Luck or the organization to sit down with the media and chart out his progress, expectations, and actually clarify where he's at and where's he's been with treatment and rehab? Then mark off the goals going forward, as well as the one's he's already met and at what schedule?
                      He will say he's throwing now, but won't confirm it's footballs? Just say it! If it's tennis balls... fine... it is what it is. Just say it.
                      He sees light at the end of the tunnel now... so was there some reason there was darkness before?

                      At this point, they have to be hiding something. What that is is anyone's guess. Whether it was worse than expected, or worse than they admitted heading into surgery.... another issue of some sort... a setback early on... a second surgery of some sort to correct a problem.... not responding to rehab as expected...
                      Something isn't right... Whatever it is might not be huge, or it might be huge, but this isn't going according to plan. Maybe it's finally on track now, or maybe it isn't. With the bizarre way they are treating this, who knows? But you can't tell me everything went according to plan at this point. Something has been off, and still might be off for all we know, with the team's secrecy revolving around this.
                      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                      -John Wooden

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                      • #371
                        Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

                        I've resigned myself to the fact that its probably like 2011 again except this time there isn't a potential #1 pick worth dumping the franchise QB for.

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                        • #372
                          Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

                          I think everyone is making too much of this and getting way too stressed out. He had surgery, it takes time for recovery. There's a level of patience needed to make sure everything is working ok, and if that means he misses a few games, so be it. What should be more talked about is the level of talent and competition put together by our more competent GM. That has me excited, and while it may take another year to get where we want, we're going to be a much better team.

                          As the great Aaron Rodgers said, R-E-L-A-X.
                          Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                          • #373
                            Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

                            Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
                            I think everyone is making too much of this and getting way too stressed out. He had surgery, it takes time for recovery. There's a level of patience needed to make sure everything is working ok, and if that means he misses a few games, so be it. What should be more talked about is the level of talent and competition put together by our more competent GM. That has me excited, and while it may take another year to get where we want, we're going to be a much better team.

                            As the great Aaron Rodgers said, R-E-L-A-X.
                            Yeah... I get that he had surgery and he has to rehab and heal. I realize setbacks happen. Games are missed. It's the big picture that is important more than preseason or any one game or even lone season.

                            BUT....

                            Why the secrecy and the guarded words???
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                            -John Wooden

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                            • #374
                              Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

                              Originally posted by Bball View Post
                              Why the secrecy and the guarded words???
                              It's just how the NFL is. Hell, Brady is usually on the 'injury report', listed as probable or questionable with a shoulder issue. Don't think he's missed a game because of 'it'.

                              I don't get it either. I just wait until kickoff and see who is on the field.

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                              • #375
                                Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

                                Originally posted by Bball View Post
                                Yeah... I get that he had surgery and he has to rehab and heal. I realize setbacks happen. Games are missed. It's the big picture that is important more than preseason or any one game or even lone season.

                                BUT....

                                Why the secrecy and the guarded words???
                                Because every single team does this. We of course don't like it, we want the truth. But teams don't want to let other teams know the state of their injured players and so this perpetual state of misinformation always occurs.
                                Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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