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2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

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  • #16
    Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

    I could see Allen getting the axe.... Between $$, production, and Doyle, he could be on the wrong end of the equation. Although how it fits in with the team and culture is an unknown ingredient.
    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

    -John Wooden

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    • #17
      Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

      Originally posted by Bball View Post
      I could see Allen getting the axe.... Between $$, production, and Doyle, he could be on the wrong end of the equation. Although how it fits in with the team and culture is an unknown ingredient.
      I can see it happening for the money, but Allen is still an excellent blocker and who knows if we are going to bring Doyle back. Someone could come in and give him a substantial amount of money. If we do release Allen are we comfortable with Swoope stepping into that second tight end role.

      I do not get Allen at all. He is by far more talented than Doyle and should have been able to do what he did. Did he just rest on his laurels after getting paid or did we just continue to use him as a blocker and let Doyle be the more receiving TE.

      I have to imagine we make a few free agent signings as we have to many holes on this team to completely rely on the draft.

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      • #18
        Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

        This team has so many holes, that one big FA signing won't be enough to really change the defense. This upcoming season will be a rebuilding year. I would expect Ballard to upgrade the offensive and defensive lines with the draft and free agency. It all starts with Luck, and you have to keep him upright. Fix that crappy offensive line, and this should be enough to win the AFC South. Now actually having a complete roster to compete with NE, this is going to take a few years to build up the defense.
        Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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        • #19
          Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

          Originally posted by thewholefnshow31 View Post
          I can see it happening for the money, but Allen is still an excellent blocker and who knows if we are going to bring Doyle back. Someone could come in and give him a substantial amount of money. If we do release Allen are we comfortable with Swoope stepping into that second tight end role.

          I do not get Allen at all. He is by far more talented than Doyle and should have been able to do what he did. Did he just rest on his laurels after getting paid or did we just continue to use him as a blocker and let Doyle be the more receiving TE.

          I have to imagine we make a few free agent signings as we have to many holes on this team to completely rely on the draft.
          Allen is overpaid. He is paid like an all pro TE, but compared to the elite TE's like Kelce, Allen isn't very good. Disappears in many games, and also doesn't have very good hands
          Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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          • #20
            Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

            Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
            This team has so many holes, that one big FA signing won't be enough to really change the defense. This upcoming season will be a rebuilding year. I would expect Ballard to upgrade the offensive and defensive lines with the draft and free agency. It all starts with Luck, and you have to keep him upright. Fix that crappy offensive line, and this should be enough to win the AFC South. Now actually having a complete roster to compete with NE, this is going to take a few years to build up the defense.
            I don't think there's enough time left in the Brady era to build a team that can seriously compete with NE. We should be aiming to be a contender again in 3-4 years, when Brady's retired and the Patriots take a step (even a small one) back. Hopefully they won't have 8 championships by then.

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            • #21
              Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

              Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
              I would expect Ballard to upgrade the offensive and defensive lines with the draft and free agency.
              Concentrate on defense. The O-line started to come together quite nicely the 2nd half of the season. It takes these guys a while to learn all the schemes and to react to each other. The # of times that Luck got hit (and/or pressured) dropped noticeably about half way thru the season. And the running game improved at the same time. Not a coincidence. D-Line, secondary. Lots of work to do there. Might even have to start looking for a RB too. But I'm good with the O-line pretty much as it is now. Sure - it can always be improved, but I'd rather see those other areas go from putrid to acceptable first.

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              • #22
                Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

                The O-line definitely showed promise during the second half of last season. Even with that improvement I wouldn't complain at all if they could get a tackle prospect with real upside in the second or third round of the draft (like Clark last year). Castonzo has been really inconsistent the last two years, eats a lot of cap space at12 MIL a year & will be 29 when the season starts. Anotber solid left tackle will be be needed sooner than later and with the price tag Free Agency will not be an option.

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                • #23
                  Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

                  Originally posted by Downtown Bang! View Post
                  Castonzo has been really inconsistent the last two years, eats a lot of cap space at12 MIL a year & will be 29 when the season starts.
                  Agree - BUT - he's good enough for now. Maybe he gets better also as the rest of the line does. I think they should work on getting the rest of the team up to 'good enough'. This year - all Ballard has to do is nail each and every one of his draft picks thru at least the 5th round.

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                  • #24
                    Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

                    Originally posted by cdash View Post



                    Welp, here we go offseason.
                    According to an article from stampede blue, he led the league in missed tackles the last 2 seasons. Glad to hear we are already cutting the dead weight grigson deals.

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                    • #25
                      Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

                      Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                      Agree - BUT - he's good enough for now. Maybe he gets better also as the rest of the line does. I think they should work on getting the rest of the team up to 'good enough'. This year - all Ballard has to do is nail each and every one of his draft picks thru at least the 5th round.
                      Holder said that most of AC's contract is already guaranteed, so the Colts won't gain much cap room from realeasing him.
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                      • #26
                        Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

                        Originally posted by Natston View Post
                        Holder said that most of AC's contract is already guaranteed, so the Colts won't gain much cap room from realeasing him.
                        I wouldn't consider releasing him at this point at all. While inconsistent he & Mewhort have still been the two best players on the line the last couple of years. Do believe the team needs another tackle in the pipeline though because releasing him could become a necessary reality in the 2018 (6 Mil dead $$) or 2019 offseason (3Mil dead $$).

                        The good news is that Clark has all the physical tools to play LT so if he can shore up the fundamentals a solid RT prospect could get the job done.

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                        • #27
                          Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

                          I haven't seen enough of Clark to be satisfied that he's an answer. We need more depth on that offensive line, and we need more people to push the starting 5 to stay consistent. I did like Haeg and think he's better suited at RG than RT.

                          DL and LB should be the priority in the draft, followed by S and CB. And maybe a punter in round 6-7.
                          Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                          • #28
                            Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

                            Jeff Saturday mentioned this on ESPN a while ago, and I agree with him - stop having Luck do 7-step dropbacks every other play. That surely isn't helping with him staying upright. Work on getting the ball out of his hands faster, while still keeping the vertical passing game as an integral part of our offense. In addition to that, sign either a starting right guard or right tackle in free agency. Gore is getting old, and a runner like Dalvin Cook doesn't come around too often, so if we can get Melvin Ingram to sign with us that would be perfect: we get a very good pass rusher, and that frees us up to draft Cook. As far is draft picks go, I really like who we take in the first three round of WalterFootball NFL mock draft (Cook in the 1st, Tim Williams in the 2nd, Raekwon McMillan in the 3rd).

                            Ideal Offseason Scenario
                            1) sign a starting right guard or right tackle (FA)
                            2) sign Melvin Ingram to boost our pass rush (FA)
                            3) draft Dalvin Cook to replace Frank Gore (draft)
                            4) draft Tim Williams as another pass rusher (draft)
                            5) draft Raekwon McMillan to solidify linebackers (draft)
                            Last edited by adamscb; 02-18-2017, 03:51 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

                              There is no way you pass on Cook if he's there. Regardless of our defensive needs. That guy is going to be a superstar running back.

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                              • #30
                                Re: 2017 Indianapolis Colts Off-season thread

                                I've been watching youtube videos of Dalvin Cook for a few weeks now. I'm like " We need that ".

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