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  • Re: The Official Trent Richardson Thread

    It's crazy how the mother's death rumor gained traction and spiraled, even after the originator said it wasn't true within minutes.

    And I agree, you don't suspend a player for more than one game without a pretty good reason. When was the last Colt suspended for non-PED reasons, let alone for two games?

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      I figure the Colts told him he was a backup and he has to play special teams and he refused. I thought it was as simple as that.

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      • Re: The Official Trent Richardson Thread

        Originally posted by Shade View Post
        I'll be very surprised if Trent is a Colt next season.

        Looks like we need a RB now, too.
        Me too. Hopefully we get one that is decent at pass protection and can catch the ball.

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        • Re: The Official Trent Richardson Thread

          Colts won't commit to RB Richardson
          Updated: January 23, 2015, 6:09 PM ET
          By Mike Wells | ESPN.com




          Colts Unsure If They'll Bring Richardson Back
          Brian Dawkins discusses why the Colts may decide to pass on bringing running back Trent Richardson back for the 2015 season.
          Tags: NFL, Trent Richardson, Indianapolis Colts
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          2014 Colts Final Season Grade

          INDIANAPOLIS -- Indianapolis Colts general manager Ryan Grigson would not commit Friday to having running back Trent Richardson back with the team next season.

          Grigson, who spoke to the media during his end-of-season interview session, said Richardson will be "lumped into that conversation with guys this offseason."

          "Where's he fit? Where's he going? Is his arrow up, down, sideways, 45-degree angle?" Grigson said. "And we have to figure all these things out with guys in all different types of situations on this roster. There are guys across the board that are in a lot of different situations. But, again, when the coaches come back, when we seeing what's actually out there -- we have an idea, draft, juniors that have declared and things like that -- once that evolves we'll have a much better feel for what we need to do."

          Things officially hit rock bottom for Richardson when he was inactive for the divisional playoff game at Denver on Jan. 11 and then was suspended for two games for missing the team's walk through on Jan. 17. Richardson told ESPN.com on Jan. 18 that he missed walk-through because he was "dealing with a very serious family emergency ... I wouldn't purposely just miss walk-through."

          Richardson served the first game of his suspension in the AFC Championship Game at New England and he'll serve the second game at the team's discretion next season if he's back, according to a league official, since they did not make the Super Bowl. The suspension of Richardson will allow the Colts to walk away from the $3.18 million in salary guaranteed for next season.

          The Colts gave up a first-round draft pick to the Cleveland Browns for Richardson in September 2013 with the vision of pairing him with quarterback Andrew Luck for years to come. Luck was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2012 draft and Richardson was the No. 3 pick in that draft.

          Richardson, instead, has been a major disappointment.

          He lost his starting job to Donald Brown late in the 2013 season. Richardson regained it this season, but lost it to Daniel Herron in Week 16. Richardson was the third running back behind Herron and Zurlon Tipton in the Jan. 4 playoff game against Cincinnati. Richardson only played one snap against the Bengals.

          Richardson yet to rush for 100 yards in a game and has only totaled 977 yards in 29 games with the Colts.

          http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12...ck-next-season

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          • Re: The Official Trent Richardson Thread

            Originally posted by speakout4 View Post
            Colts won't commit to RB Richardson
            Updated: January 23, 2015, 6:09 PM ET
            By Mike Wells | ESPN.com




            Colts Unsure If They'll Bring Richardson Back
            Brian Dawkins discusses why the Colts may decide to pass on bringing running back Trent Richardson back for the 2015 season.
            Tags: NFL, Trent Richardson, Indianapolis Colts
            NEXT VIDEO video

            2014 Colts Final Season Grade

            INDIANAPOLIS -- Indianapolis Colts general manager Ryan Grigson would not commit Friday to having running back Trent Richardson back with the team next season.

            Grigson, who spoke to the media during his end-of-season interview session, said Richardson will be "lumped into that conversation with guys this offseason."

            "Where's he fit? Where's he going? Is his arrow up, down, sideways, 45-degree angle?" Grigson said. "And we have to figure all these things out with guys in all different types of situations on this roster. There are guys across the board that are in a lot of different situations. But, again, when the coaches come back, when we seeing what's actually out there -- we have an idea, draft, juniors that have declared and things like that -- once that evolves we'll have a much better feel for what we need to do."

            Things officially hit rock bottom for Richardson when he was inactive for the divisional playoff game at Denver on Jan. 11 and then was suspended for two games for missing the team's walk through on Jan. 17. Richardson told ESPN.com on Jan. 18 that he missed walk-through because he was "dealing with a very serious family emergency ... I wouldn't purposely just miss walk-through."

            Richardson served the first game of his suspension in the AFC Championship Game at New England and he'll serve the second game at the team's discretion next season if he's back, according to a league official, since they did not make the Super Bowl. The suspension of Richardson will allow the Colts to walk away from the $3.18 million in salary guaranteed for next season.

            The Colts gave up a first-round draft pick to the Cleveland Browns for Richardson in September 2013 with the vision of pairing him with quarterback Andrew Luck for years to come. Luck was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2012 draft and Richardson was the No. 3 pick in that draft.

            Richardson, instead, has been a major disappointment.

            He lost his starting job to Donald Brown late in the 2013 season. Richardson regained it this season, but lost it to Daniel Herron in Week 16. Richardson was the third running back behind Herron and Zurlon Tipton in the Jan. 4 playoff game against Cincinnati. Richardson only played one snap against the Bengals.

            Richardson yet to rush for 100 yards in a game and has only totaled 977 yards in 29 games with the Colts.

            http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12...ck-next-season
            Sucks that he cost himself money
            Why so SERIOUS

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            • Re: The Official Trent Richardson Thread

              Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post



              hmm
              So if this is true, then does that mean Trent's final days as a Colt were marked by him being dumped for a lo$$?
              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

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              • Re: The Official Trent Richardson Thread

                Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post



                hmm
                That's interesting. I wonder why his contract, specifically, has strong voiding language.

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                • Re: The Official Trent Richardson Thread

                  I just wonder if the Colts knew that this was the case and found an excuse to suspend him so they could save money
                  Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                  • Re: The Official Trent Richardson Thread

                    Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
                    I just wonder if the Colts knew that this was the case and found an excuse to suspend him so they could save money
                    I seriously doubt the player's union would let that fly.

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                    • Re: The Official Trent Richardson Thread

                      if the stuff about a suspension making him cut-able w/o a cap hit there's going to be a grievance filed, as their should be. no clue who'd win, but based of everything we know, well, have hard, it sounds like some dirty pool by Grigson that gives me a sour taste.

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                      • Re: The Official Trent Richardson Thread

                        Perhaps strong voiding language is standard for a guaranteed contract and not particularly unusual?

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                        • Re: The Official Trent Richardson Thread

                          Trent and his agent agreed to the terms of the contract. And if there's a clause in the contract - no problem with using it.

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                            Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                            if the stuff about a suspension making him cut-able w/o a cap hit there's going to be a grievance filed, as their should be. no clue who'd win, but based of everything we know, well, have hard, it sounds like some dirty pool by Grigson that gives me a sour taste.
                            What do we know that makes it sound like dirty pool?

                            If we are to believe the inactive games were to try and paint him into a corner to do something to get himself suspended, that would only be dirty pool in my mind if he was clearly deserving a spot on the roster. Which, considering nearly everyone who touched the ball as a RB outgained him (which includes at Cleveland) then I'd say Grigson went out of his way to give Richardson a chance.

                            I'm not sure what else we know or think we know that would be considered dirty pool?
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                            -John Wooden

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                            • Re: The Official Trent Richardson Thread

                              Kinda sketchy. Player gets suspended, just so happens to have verbiage in contract saying if he gets suspended they can avoid paying him, no reason was ever given for why he was suspended...
                              There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                              • Re: The Official Trent Richardson Thread

                                Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                                Kinda sketchy. Player gets suspended, just so happens to have verbiage in contract saying if he gets suspended they can avoid paying him, no reason was ever given for why he was suspended...
                                I seriously doubt the contract says "Suspension = voided contract". It's more likely that whatever triggered the suspension is something that is spelled out as a voidable contract issue. IOW, the suspension is just another symptom of whatever would be argued to trigger the voiding of the contract, not the actual reason itself.

                                Not saying why he was suspended is probably to do Richardson a favor, not to do any favors for the Colts. Although arguably, it could be said that it would be a favor to the Colts if it meant a little secrecy didn't damage his trade value as adversely as it otherwise could have. But you have to think his trade value is so low now anyway that nothing they could say would make it any lower at this point.
                                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                                -John Wooden

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