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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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5/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, Eastern Conference Finals - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Heat

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    Game Time Start: 8:30 PM ET
    Where: The Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN
    Officials: K. Mauer, E. Malloy, T. Washington, S. Corbin

    Media Notes: Indiana Notes, Miami Notes
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    Radio: ESPN Radio (national) / WFNI 1070 AM, 107.5 FM / WAXY 790 AM, 104.3 FM, WRTO 98.3 FM (Spanish)
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    REMINDER: Per PD policy, please do not share a link to, describe how to search for, request a link to, or request a PM about streaming video of a NBA game that is not coming directly through the NBA. Not even in a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean" round-about sort of way. Thank you

    Home: 40-11
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    Paul George - Wade'd (probable)
    David West - Cole'd (probable)

    Chris Anderson - thigh (questionable)

    Spencer Hall: NBA's bworst team - The 2014 Indiana Pacers

    It is hard to get the analogy for the Pacers right, or find the right comparison
    without spraining your simile ligament. There are groups of artists who like being
    together, but make bad, fun things, like the cast of Ocean's Eleven. There are
    unevenly balanced ensembles like Destiny's Child, or groups that collapse under
    the weight of their own chaos like the Wu-Tang Clan, and absolute shambolic
    heap-beast supergroup efforts like The Expendables that, anticipating your
    disappointment already, make no effort whatsoever to be anything but a total
    horrendous and ultimately amiable disaster from start to finish.*

    *By the fifth Expendables movie, anyone will be theoretically eligible to participate,
    which is how you'll get Delta Burke strafing a terrorist camp in a helicopter piloted
    by a grinning hologram Paul Walker.

    So you can just stop trying. There may be no precedent or accurate comparison
    for this Indiana team, or how well and horribly they're ending their season. They
    may be something brave and new: the team so talented even its outright civil
    war couldn't kill it or its playoff run.

    The toxic fart-cloud killing the Pacers' best abilities swept into the locker room
    sometime after the All-Star break, watering eyes and flattening their torrid first-
    half momentum in a stagnant 16-14 finish. On paper what has happened since
    looks like triumph: a pair of series victories over the Hawks and Wizards, and
    what will likely be an Eastern Conference Finals loss to the defending NBA champs.
    Any other team in the NBA would mark that as a victory, or at least as a success.

    To the naked eye, though, it's not totally clear how any of this happened, or that
    anyone on the Indiana Pacers likes playing the game of basketball, either alone or
    with their teammates. This happened last night, in an NBA game, in front of
    cameras and a full arena:

    It could be unfair to single out Lance Stephenson here if this were not the second-
    most iconic image of the Pacers this season. (The first is Cymbalta Roy Hibbert,
    but we'll get to him.) Stephenson spent most of the night doing this, finishing with
    nine points after suggesting LeBron James engaging him in trash-talk was "a sign
    of weakness" before the game, and thus giving the easy hook for the media to
    hang Indiana's sad hairshirt of failure onto in postgame columns.

    That would be a shame, because hanging Indiana's astonishing anti-basketball and
    its long implosion would be cheating the awful greatness of what they have
    become. Watch David West's face for 10 minutes of any game. He is a man who
    is playing blackjack with dogs. He is a dad at 6:45 p.m. left alone with the kids for
    a day. He is a substitute teacher in sixth period with a severe hangover, he is a
    cabbie dealing with four drunks who need to be left at four, hazily remembered
    places that might not exist, he is an astronaut low on oxygen who just broke the
    door handle off the airlock. David West, despite having all his paperwork and
    showing up extra early for traffic court, will not get to see the judge today, and
    has to call his wife to pick him up because his license is still suspended.

    And West isn't even the star of the ensemble here.

    What has happened to Roy Hibbert is a matter of total speculation. Scientifically,
    it can be approached this way: Hibbert is now half the size he was statistically,
    and appears to be shrinking. Last night, he was a scoring nullity, attempting only
    four field goals and missing all of them while chipping in a perfunctory five
    rebounds. This is, for this particular playoffs, nothing new: Hibbert has failed to
    score at all in four of the Pacers' 17 playoff games.

    Hibbert could write the word "SORROW" on his forehead in magic marker, but
    that would be too obvious, and ruin the strongest performance here in an already
    strong cast of malcontented dudes who clearly hate everything. He is so very
    close to cutting...CONTINUE READING AT SBNATION

    Candace Buckner @CandaceDBuckner
    Jared Wade @8pts9secs
    Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s
    Tom Lewis @indycornrows
    Ian Levy @HickoryHigh
    Whitney @its_whitney

    Brian Windhorst @windhorstESPN
    Tom Haberstroh @tomhaberstroh
    Ira Winderman @iraheatbeat
    Joseph Goodman @JoeGoodmanJr
    Surya Fernandez @SuryaHeatNBA
    Tim Reynolds @ByTimReynolds

    This is the darkest timeline.

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    Re: 5/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, Eastern Conference Finals - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Heat

    We were down to the hawks 3-2, the hawks gave the Wizards the "blueprint" to beat us in the next round and now the champs have us back against the ropes...TIME TO NUT UP OR SHUT UP, LET'S SEE WHAT YOU ARE MADE OF INDIANA! GO PACERS!!!


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      Re: 5/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, Eastern Conference Finals - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Heat

      Assuming Lance isn't having a pity party, can we please post little *** Norris Cole up anytime he is assigned to Lance? Surely if Lance is engaged he can eat Cole alive. I mean, he did post LeBron up with some success. Granted, it was only one play, but Cole is nowhere near the size of LeBron. If they choose to double team Lance, he is a good enough passer that he should be able to create out of the post. Thinking of this mainly when Roy is out of the game and the second unit is in. Would love to see less Ian and more Scola(Wish it was cope to get better spacing) and West in this scenario. Make the Heat pick their poison.


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        • #5
          Re: 5/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, Eastern Conference Finals - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Heat

          Pacers will win this one. Then the pressure is on Miami for game 6.....Let's get this done!!!!
          Go Pacers!


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            Re: 5/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, Eastern Conference Finals - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Heat

            Probably didn't need the "praising with faint damns" headline for this one, ATC. I think the Pacers have the intestinal fortitude to win tonight - at home and facing being the first team to get booed off the floor for daring to lose the ECF.

            Should have saved it for Friday. Gotta conserve those batteries, man!

            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...


            • #7
              Re: 5/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, Eastern Conference Finals - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Heat

              What's with the title?


              • #8
                Re: 5/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, Eastern Conference Finals - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Heat

                Perhaps we can get the ball to West in the post and let him beat up Lewis? Perhaps?
                "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


                • #9
                  Re: 5/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, Eastern Conference Finals - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Heat

                  i still have faith in the Pacers. This game at home is gonna be tough, no guarantee we win this one. The look in Lebron's eyes are scary. If we get this win, then we are back at getting just that one win in Miami. We did it the last 2 years, we can do it again.


                  • #10
                    Re: 5/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, Eastern Conference Finals - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Heat

                    SBNation article cut off at the best part... (in regards to Hibbert) it continues..
                    "He is so very close to cutting up cans of Lone Star beer and making little figurines out of them on the sidelines to explain why existence is the ultimate in the grotesque."

                    Hah! I loved that show.

                    I've never felt such antipathy towards a Pacer team before. I think it's mostly to do with how much I really liked these guys before and now I see them out there hating the game, hating eachother. If Frank gets fired for this group of whiney *******'s behavior, I'll never forgive them. It would be hard to watch this team next year if that's the case. Game 5 of the ECF and I'm as checked out as the players are.


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                      Re: 5/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, Eastern Conference Finals - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Heat

                      If there's no Ray Allen or birdman for this game...and the pacers are at home?

                      They really should win this.

                      The LeBron heat are now 11-0 following a game 1 loss on the road, which includes two game 5 wins on the road. Still, Indiana has no excuse to drop this one. Miami has three competent bench players and two of them might not even play.

                      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

                      Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
                      Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
                      NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004


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                        Re: 5/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, Eastern Conference Finals - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Heat

                        What's up with Ray Allen? I must have missed that.

                        Also, meow, meow, meow, please, please, win.


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                          Re: 5/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, Eastern Conference Finals - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Heat

                          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                          What's up with Ray Allen? I must have missed that.
                          He's got a bruised hip and thigh, which at his age takes a lot longer to heal. If this were a game 7 he'd obviously be out there but they may just save him so he's %100 for the next game.

                          It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

                          Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
                          Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
                          NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004


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                            Re: 5/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, Eastern Conference Finals - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Heat

                            Thanks Kstat.

                            At the same time Ray Allen is a robit.


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                              Re: 5/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, Eastern Conference Finals - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Heat

                              I think Allen will be back for the next game. He didn't look to be in rough shape and even wanted to stay on the floor, but Spo pulled him (I don't remember when, that game is all but gone from my memory). I think Birdman will be back for game 6 as well.
                              Stephenson with the .1 second tap in.