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    4/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Hawks


    STOP MESSING AROUND
    WITH THESE BIRDS.
    COOL? COOL.


    -VS-


    Game Time Start: 8:00 PM ET
    Where: The Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN
    Officials: M. McCutchen, J. Goble, D. Jones, S. Wright

    Media Notes: Indiana Notes, Atlanta Notes
    Television: / FOX Sports Indiana / SportSouth / NBATV (Canada)
    Radio: WFNI 1070 AM, 107.5 FM / WZGC 92.9 FM
    NBA Feeds:

    REMINDER: Per PD policy, please do not share a link to, describe how to search for, request a link to, or request a PM about streaming video of a NBA game that is not coming directly through the NBA. Not even in a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean" round-about sort of way. Thank you


    2
    58-28
    Home: 36-7
    2
    40-45
    Away: 15-28
    May 01
    May 03
    TBD
    TBD
    TBD
    TBD
    TBD
    TBD
    HIBBERT
    WEST
    GEORGE
    STEPHENSON
    HILL
    ANTIC
    MILLSAP
    CARROLL
    KORVER
    TEAGUE


    PACERS
    Andrew Bynum – racing Fesenko to be Pacers' least effective midseason pivot pickup (out)


    HAWKS
    Gustavo Ayon - right shoulder surgery (out)
    Al Horford - right pectoral muscle surgery (out)
    John Jenkins - lower back surgery (out)




    Jon Washburn: Vogel Chooses to Adjust Rather than Change Identity


    In the 2004 Eastern Conference Finals, Rick Carlisle and Larry Brown famously dueled in
    a battle of wits for the ages. It remains one of the most compelling series to study, and
    one of the most heart-breaking for Pacers fans to remember.

    Most people remember two key components of the series: The unbelievable defense (or
    atrocious offense, whatever you want the narrative to be) and the brilliant chess match
    between the two coaches.

    Rarely has a series so evenly matched featured so many blow-outs. After losing home-
    court advantage and falling down 2-1, Rick Carlisle turned to an unlikely hero, Austin
    Croshere, for game four. Croshere had only played 13 minutes per game during the
    2004 season and hadn’t started a single game all year, but in game four, he exploded
    for 14 points including three 3-pt field goals as he stretched Detroit’s defense and left
    them scrambling in an easy 15-point victory. Unfortunately for the Pacers, the magic
    would not continue. Detroit made some key adjustments and ended up winning game
    five and the series en route to their first Post-Bad Boys championship.

    It’s possible that Detroit was a slightly better team than Indiana that season, or maybe
    just that they were a tough matchup for those Pacers, but I always thought the answer
    went a little deeper than that. When Carlisle took out Jeff Foster in favor of Austin
    Croshere, the move saw instant results – but the complete overhaul in the team’s
    identity did not end up paying off in the long run. While Croshere did rebound from an
    awful game five with a decent performance in game six, Foster, an energy guy who
    had started 79 games while pacing Indiana to the number one overall seed that season,
    played only nine minutes in the final three games of the series.

    In the playoffs, good teams have to make adjustments in order to win every series, but
    very rarely are wholesale identity changes met with favorable results. Even if a team
    does end up winning a series, they very rarely win the Finals after admitting earlier in
    the playoff run that who they were and what they were wasn’t quite good enough to
    beat another team.

    This, more than anything else, is why Frank Vogel should not bench Roy Hibbert against
    the Hawks.

    Fans and writers alike have been screaming for Hibbert’s removal from the lineup since
    early in Game 1. Bob Kravitz said Vogel should bench Hibbert or be fired. Our own Will
    Rettig agreed and argued that it was necessary in order to win the series.

    Indeed, this series may not be a matchup that Roy Hibbert can dominate – but
    completely benching him would be a terrible mistake.

    In the face of all the criticism, both Vogel and Hibbert responded rationally and
    insightfully in game four. Rather than overhaul the entire identity of a team that
    finished first in the East, Vogel decided to adjust both his defensive strategy and his
    substitution pattern.

    Adjustment 1 – Vogel scaled back, but didn’t eliminate the Big Fella’s minutes.

    After averaging 30 minutes per game throughout the regular season, Hibbert saw the
    floor for less than 25 minutes in game four. It’s likely he would have been around the
    20-minute mark if not for some first-half foul trouble from Ian Mahimni, but Hibbert
    was not stationed firmly on the bench like many fans and writers had hoped. In those
    24 minutes, Hibbert was mildly successful, but perhaps more importantly, he seemed
    engaged for the duration of the game. He finished with only 6 points and 3 rebounds,
    but he did shoot 60% and also defended six shots at the rim. He also had two blocks
    and even made a really nice, multi-faceted post move in the second quarter.

    Adjustment 2 – Vogel played West and Scola together down the stretch.

    After playing just 84 total minutes together in the regular season, Vogel has turned to
    West/Scola lineups for the majority of the fourth quarter in games three and four. The
    change has enabled the Pacers to spread the floor and “beat their opponents
    individually” as Jared Wade summed up here. But more than anything, it has been the
    play of Luis Scola in general that has vindicated the move. The Argentine has been a
    man possessed since game two, and the Pacers have greatly benefited from his uptick
    in playing time.

    The above-the-break 3-pointers by David West and Paul George were both hugely vital
    moments in Saturday’s game, but George Hill’s layup with less than a minute left might
    have been more important. The spacing provided by the midrange games of West and
    Scola are directly responsible.

    Adjustment 3 – Vogel maximized some interesting Turner mismatches early on.

    Perhaps this shot chart, more than even Jeff Teague’s ridiculous one-handed runner in
    game three has been the most surprising development of this series.


    Without completely altering the offense...CONTINUE READING AT 8p9s

    Shane Young: Roy Hibbert’s Disappearance Equals Imminent Changes

    Fans of the Indiana Pacers think they have it bad.

    Their team, fighting through years of agony after the Malice at the Palace, had improved
    to a magnitude they hadn’t earned in 13 years – a championship culture.

    Not only was this group of guys – Danny Granger included – insistent on raising more
    than just Central Division banners, but they had developed all aspects needed to win the
    16 playoff games that would bring the dream to a reality.


    Defensively, it was all there. Every single bit. Point guards weren’t finding their way to
    the paint, and when they rarely did, a 7’2″ mammoth stood at the rim, not fatigued, or
    worn down. Indiana flirted with history as they complied absurd defensive rating
    numbers, which squeezed some more praise out of me as I compared their defense to
    the 2008 Boston Celtics, who went on a virtual manslaughter en route to 66 wins and a
    17th franchise title.

    Offensively, it was more than acceptable. In fact, it was often worthy of a standing
    ovation. The firepower they brought against superstar-driven teams (the Knicks, Nets,
    Warriors and Spurs, for example) was enough for any basketball expert to look for their
    “title favorite” crown. Scoring the ball, Indiana had a February worth remembering,
    averaging 101.2 points per night with a plus/minus differential of +7.6. That, combined
    with a tenacious Roy Hibbert, David West, and Paul George as your main line of
    protection, was enough to send the Miami Heat packing.

    It was even enough to sweep a sub .500 Atlanta Hawks organization that wanted to give
    the Knicks the final playoff seed.

    Living in the past gets you nowhere in life, and the present situation is miles below what
    we just described.

    Those were your Pacers in the winter, crossing over into the beginning of 2014. While
    December through February brought cold temperatures, Indiana stayed as hot as the
    soon-to-be MVP Kevin Durant. Now, it’s been rock bottom for nearly a month. Sure,
    there have been glimpses of their old selves, such as the Game 2 demolition on
    Tuesday, but those normally don’t last very long.

    Game 3′s loss sure looked to be the breaking point for President Larry Bird, as the
    three-time champion sat in the stands, face buried in palms. Atlanta stole another
    victory in the first round series, and I do consider it "stealing" because both the Pacers
    and Hawks gave us the ugliest first half of the playoffs so far. It was anyone’s game
    up until the final three minutes of play, until Jeff Teague‘s illegal three-pointer that
    counted forced the Pacers to give up on both ends... especially defensively.

    While it’s probably too late to save one man’s morale and chances at staying in the
    lineup, this could all be avoided by having at least some contribution from All-Star
    center, Roy Hibbert.

    I don’t even want the term All-Star next to the name. Or $15 million defender.
    Anyone that doesn’t see the mortification in Hibbert’s production for that amount of
    dough is delusional.

    Go ahead, call me delusional as well, for disrespecting Dwight Howard with preseason
    comparisons of the two. Forgive me, Superman, I learned my lesson the hard way.

    Since the last time Indiana and Atlanta met in the regular season (seven games), it’s
    almost reached the point where the whole city is turning on the big man:



    In an odd correlation, Hibbert’s best and worst games during that stretch didn’t
    feature the outcomes you would’ve guessed. In the 0-for-9 showing at home vs. the
    Oklahoma City Thunder, the Pacers edged OKC right before the playoffs arrived, once
    again bringing the sense of “everything is fixed now!” back to the area. This society
    is predominantly a “prisoner of the moment” one these days, and you have to love it.
    Hibbert’s best performance since the deep struggle –4-for-9 shooting in Game 1 vs.
    Atlanta – resulted in a team loss.

    Hibbert’s offense, present or not, isn’t making a difference within the Pacers’ collapse.
    It’s certainly not helping, but this team has shown the poise to finish close matchups
    without relying on their rim protector for offense.

    In Thursday’s Game 3, there was more rubbish. A lot more rubbish.


    Here, in Hibbert’s first shot attempt of the night, we witness him having the proper
    mentality, just not the patience, confidence, or skill to finish the move. Developing
    position on Pero Antic is a tough feat in itself, as the Macedonian is just as strong
    pound-for-pound as Hibbert. Realizing much of the focus is on the perimeter (his
    last month made it that way), Hibbert gets set in an area he’s comfortable with, and
    pleads with David West to let him use his height over Antic. The problem he runs into
    (similar to all his recent struggles), is that he’s forcing the jump hook, and rushing it.

    It’s looking as if Hibbert is literally determined to get back to the moves that worked
    for him earlier in the year against the likes of Milwaukee, New York, Brooklyn, etc.,
    except he should realize he’s not the type of player that can get going by forcing the
    issue. With these, it’s not coming to him, and that just adds to the mental strain
    when he’s not even drawing the rim.


    We see exactly the type of shots Atlanta isn’t worried about. In the regular season,
    Hibbert shot 40.4 percent on his shots from 15 to 19 feet from the rim, but an 8-
    seeded underdog has to dare Hibbert to beat them with it.

    Hibbert drilled it, probably by sheer luck, but in other instances that Hibbert has been
    given freedom along the perimeter, it hasn’t been for children’s eyes:


    Just when we thought Hibbert couldn’t make more head-scratching choices, that came
    in the third quarter. With an abundance of space after catching Paul George’s pass,
    Hibbert has to make something happen with less than five seconds on the shot clock.
    When he decides...CONTINUE READING AT HOOPS HABIT



    Pacers
    Candace Buckner @CandaceDBuckner
    Jared Wade @8pts9secs
    Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s
    Tom Lewis @indycornrows
    Ian Levy @HickoryHigh
    Whitney @its_whitney

    Hawks
    Chris Vivlamore @ajchawks
    Jason Walker @JasonWalkerSBN
    Kris Willis @Kris_Willis
    Bo Churney @bochurney
    Raj Prashad @RajPrashad
    Co Co @cocoqt81
    This is the darkest timeline.
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  • #2
    Re: 4/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Hawks

    missed game 4 because of work and we won. missing game 5 tonight because of work, lets hope the same happens. Close it out in 6!

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    • #3
      Re: 4/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Hawks

      Since the game is at 8 instead of 7 I actually get to go - though I'll be a little late. You guys hold the fort through the first quarter, I'll be there as soon as I can.
      BillS

      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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      • #4
        Re: 4/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Hawks



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        • #5
          Re: 4/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Hawks

          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
          more intimidating than Hibbert

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          • #6
            Re: 4/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Hawks

            LMAO Trader Joe, I almost lost it in the middle of my class just now from that unexpected, wild *** picture.

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            • #7
              Re: 4/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Hawks

              FREE COPE.

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              • #8
                Re: 4/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Hawks

                It would be nice to just blow the doors open tonight and make the hawks who they are......a sub .500 8th seed team
                Larry Bird and Ryan Grigson- wasting the talents of Paul George and Andrew Luck

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                • #9
                  Re: 4/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Hawks

                  In a perfect world, Hibbert would get a couple of quick buckets and Bankers would go bonkers (too much?) while we coast to a blowout win.

                  In reality, we will again struggle to put this pesky team away in the forth. I see another stressful night in my near future.

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                  • #10
                    Re: 4/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Hawks

                    It's time to put the past in the past and put together a solid, series defining game and make it two wins in a row.
                    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                    ------

                    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                    -John Wooden

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                    • #11
                      Re: 4/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Hawks

                      I just want to say thank you to Peck for the tickets. Tonight is my son's first playoff game.

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                      • #12
                        Re: 4/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Hawks

                        Another absolute must-win game tonight. Can't go back to Phillips down 3-2.

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                        • #13
                          Re: 4/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Hawks

                          Hopefully a blow out win

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                          • #14
                            Re: 4/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Hawks

                            Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
                            Hopefully a blow out win
                            A win, tonight we need a W
                            Next round, we rape Wizards, and then the Heat, but tonight we need a W

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                              Re: 4/28/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #5: Pacers Vs. Hawks

                              Originally posted by Believe_in_blue View Post
                              I just want to say thank you to Peck for the tickets. Tonight is my son's first playoff game.
                              Good Dad. Enjoy.
                              {o,o}
                              |)__)
                              -"-"-

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