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BRUNNER: Hibbert conundrum a big issue for Pacers

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  • #31
    Re: BRUNNER: Hibbert conundrum a big issue for Pacers

    Originally posted by presto123 View Post
    That whole pitch they made Copeland to get him to come here seems funny in retrospect.
    It's ridiculous. If there's any matchup that you can play Copeland, it's this one. He can guard Pero Antic shooting three's from the outside, and we aren't going to get killed on the glass. Hibbert is shooting 19% from the paint, at least Copeland gives you a pick and pop game from outside and spreads the floor. I'd like to see him play with either West or Mahinmi.

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    • #32
      Re: BRUNNER: Hibbert conundrum a big issue for Pacers

      Be angry at Frank for not benching him all you want, but its not his fault. This is on Hibbert. Frank is damned if you do, damned if you don't. Benching him will completely destroy the guy because he's a mental midget. And guess what, we need him to win the rest of the playoffs. But starting him means we might not even get to the next round.

      This isn't even a decision Frank should have to make. Hibbert's collapse isn't something the Pacers should have to deal with. He's got to wake up. He's got to man up. Stop taking a shot every time you get the ball. The big dawg doesn't have to eat. If he goes out there and just defends and rebounds, we will win this series. Cut his minutes so Scola can get more since he's been fantastic. But Roy just needs to get it together. Frank is screwed either way if he doesn't.

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      • #33
        Re: BRUNNER: Hibbert conundrum a big issue for Pacers

        Originally posted by Grimp View Post
        But offense sometimes is the best defense. Sometimes you trade baskets with teams and that puts them off somewhat. That's why more offense has to be introduced into the lineup. Hibbert and Hill aren't viewed as threats, so they're harassing PG, Lance, and to some extent West. If you put Turner out there, his passing alone creates problems. And Copeland keeps one guy honest.
        Dude, this has nothing to do solely with Turner, it has to do with the whole team playing horrible lazy defense, our offense has always been a question mark our D did not, if we can not figure out the defensive stuff then we will have a big problem from now on no matter who is out there.

        As far as your other point, people are still pressing Hill and doubling Roy, so I think they are still viewed as threats, but they are super inefficient at doing anything at this point. Evan does not bother me as much as most people, I always thought his best play came with the ball in his hands where he can create. But he does have to work on his game big time...
        Why so SERIOUS

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        • #34
          Re: BRUNNER: Hibbert conundrum a big issue for Pacers

          West-Cope-PG-Lance-CJ : that's your starting lineup if they want to win the series versus ATL. Nothing wrong with benching players who aren't producing or who are bad matchups. In EVERY OTHER SPORT this happens, so why is it such an affront to consider making a change at this point?

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          • #35
            Re: BRUNNER: Hibbert conundrum a big issue for Pacers

            Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
            Be angry at Frank for not benching him all you want, but its not his fault. This is on Hibbert. Frank is damned if you do, damned if you don't. Benching him will completely destroy the guy because he's a mental midget. And guess what, we need him to win the rest of the playoffs. But starting him means we might not even get to the next round.

            This isn't even a decision Frank should have to make. Hibbert's collapse isn't something the Pacers should have to deal with. He's got to wake up. He's got to man up. Stop taking a shot every time you get the ball. The big dawg doesn't have to eat. If he goes out there and just defends and rebounds, we will win this series. Cut his minutes so Scola can get more since he's been fantastic. But Roy just needs to get it together. Frank is screwed either way if he doesn't.
            He is already destroyed, he is as hard on himself as anyone else, but with that said it is still on Frank, you have to do what is best for the team right now, and Roy has been in this slump for too long, it is partially Franks responsibility to help him get out of this. First off I think his footwork has slumped big time, second he short arms all rebounds and does not go up hard at all, third he is just mentally gone, but this is stuff that Frank has to address, and if he has already then he needs to do a better job.

            It is very much a decision that Frank should have to make, teams go through adversity and the responsibility of the coach is to handle this type of stuff.

            I personally think if Frank does not take Hibbert out it will look worst than keeping him in, in the eyes of the league, loyalty and stubbornness are different not really sure which Frank has more of with this Roy situation.
            Why so SERIOUS

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            • #36
              Re: BRUNNER: Hibbert conundrum a big issue for Pacers

              starters
              Scola
              West
              PG
              Lance
              CJ Watson

              subs
              Mahinmi
              Copeland
              Turner
              Hill

              You can switch CJ Watson and George Hill if you like, but be prepared to send in CJ much much MUCH sooner than normal if George doesn't have it. I'd like to use some CJ plus George backcourt when Lance sits.

              Yes, I'm not just saying that Roy should not start, I am saying that he should in fact be INACTIVE.
              Last edited by Slick Pinkham; 04-25-2014, 01:53 PM.
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              • #37
                Re: BRUNNER: Hibbert conundrum a big issue for Pacers

                Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                starters
                Scola
                West
                PG
                Lance
                CJ Watson

                subs
                Mahinmi
                Copeland
                Turner
                Hill

                You can switch CJ Watson and George Hill if you like, but be prepared to send in CJ much much MUCH sooner than normal if George doesn't have it. I'd like to use some CJ plus George backcourt when Lance sits.

                Yes, I'm not just saying that Roy should not start, I am saying that he should in fact be INACTIVE.
                I don't think that we've run a Scola/West frontcourt against the Hawks yet.

                I'd assume that you'd have Scola coming off the bench with Mahinmi Starting. I'm not so sure that Scola and West are good enough to protect the rim. Is Lavoy good enough to protect the Pick and Roll and/or dribble penetration?
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                • #38
                  Re: BRUNNER: Hibbert conundrum a big issue for Pacers

                  Originally posted by Really? View Post
                  He is already destroyed, he is as hard on himself as anyone else, but with that said it is still on Frank, you have to do what is best for the team right now, and Roy has been in this slump for too long, it is partially Franks responsibility to help him get out of this. First off I think his footwork has slumped big time, second he short arms all rebounds and does not go up hard at all, third he is just mentally gone, but this is stuff that Frank has to address, and if he has already then he needs to do a better job.

                  It is very much a decision that Frank should have to make, teams go through adversity and the responsibility of the coach is to handle this type of stuff.

                  I personally think if Frank does not take Hibbert out it will look worst than keeping him in, in the eyes of the league, loyalty and stubbornness are different not really sure which Frank has more of with this Roy situation.
                  How do you fix Roy? What the hell can Frank do to fix him? "Hey Roy, you used to do this, this and this, you need to get back to that" What drill can they do? Its all mental for Roy. He's not hurt physically. He just is a mental midget and Frank can't fix that. You think the coaching staff hasn't addressed Hibbert's problems?

                  Benching him means no coming back for Hibbert. Dude will implode. And guess what, to win a title, we need Roy Hibbert to be at his best. The team is screwed any other way. And Frank is screwed. Benching him might get you by Atlanta. But it won't get you further. Its not even about loyalty to Hibbert. Its about hoping he gets his act together out there.

                  If the Indiana Pacers are to win the NBA Finals this year, Roy Hibbert needs to play like he did in last years playoffs. We have no chance otherwise. Whatever decision Frank makes, it still comes down to Hibbert. He needs to get right.

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                  • #39
                    Re: BRUNNER: Hibbert conundrum a big issue for Pacers

                    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                    I don't think that we've run a Scola/West frontcourt against the Hawks yet.
                    Second half yesterday we did for a bit and it seemed to work pretty well.

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                    • #40
                      Re: BRUNNER: Hibbert conundrum a big issue for Pacers

                      I can't stand the "need to get him involved" line. I dont want him "involved" with the 28% shooting, if anything he needs to be LESS "involved". Hibbert can pound sand, just because he can't hit the ocean from the beach does not excuse him from his **** poor D. Dont care what he did LAST playoffs, another line spouted by his staunch fans, this year he's a net negative. Id be more than ok not dressing him. Make it happen Larry, force Frank to use someone else.

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                      • #41
                        Re: BRUNNER: Hibbert conundrum a big issue for Pacers

                        Originally posted by BenR1990 View Post
                        So we leave Scola out of the starting unit after he's been our most consistent offensive player the last two games? I know you love Copeland, but c'mon man.
                        Scola has no 3pt shot. He doesn't stretch the floor. Also Cope is a better driver and rebounder. Not to mention he gets a few blocks at times as well. Having Turner out there is good because he and Scola and Copeland work well off of one another.

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                        • #42
                          Re: BRUNNER: Hibbert conundrum a big issue for Pacers

                          There's nothing magical that says you have to stretch the D out to 23 feet. Being able to stretch the floor out to 20 feet can be pretty valuable, and Scola does that just great a lot of the time (just not in game 1).
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                          • #43
                            Re: BRUNNER: Hibbert conundrum a big issue for Pacers

                            Originally posted by BenR1990 View Post
                            Second half yesterday we did for a bit and it seemed to work pretty well.
                            Thanks.....I blocked out the 2nd half of yesterday's game from my memory after the Hawks jumped ahead.
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                            • #44
                              Re: BRUNNER: Hibbert conundrum a big issue for Pacers




                              Ah, so game 3 wasn't a must-win. Now it all makes sense. All good, folks.
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                              • #45
                                Re: BRUNNER: Hibbert conundrum a big issue for Pacers

                                Roy's got the yips, like Steve Sax and Chuck Knoblauch. It's all in his head, and he's letting the inability to make a simple layup bring his defense down. Chuck could never solve it.
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