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  • #1 vs. #8 playoff history

    There have been 10 #1 vs. #8 match-ups where the #8 seed won Game 1 (11 counting this series). Of those, the #1 seed went on to win the series 7 times.

    The '93 Suns are the only #1 seed to lose the first two games to a #8 seed (the Lakers). Phoenix won the series in 5 games.

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    Wow, crazy that the 93 Suns with MVP Barkley who went on to go to the Finals that year managed to drop the first two at home.

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      Re: #1 vs. #8 playoff history

      ALL HAIL KING PRECEDENT!
      There is no NBA player named Monte Ellis.

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        I'll also toss in the little nugget that Pacers won game 1 in both 2001 and 2002 as the 8 seed but went on to lose both of those series.

        From what I've heard from various analysts over the years, it seems to be widely accepted sentiment that game one offers the best chance for the lower seed to steal a game on the road.
        Last edited by Phree Refill; 04-21-2014, 06:29 PM.

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          Re: #1 vs. #8 playoff history

          Originally posted by Phree Refill View Post
          I'll also toss in the little nugget that Pacers won game 1 in both 2001 and 2002 as the 8 seed but went on to lose both of those series.

          From what I've heard from various analysts over the years, it seems to be widely accepted sentiment that game one offers the best chance for the lower seed to steal a game on the road.
          The craziest I've ever gone in my life was when Reggie hit the half court shot (that shouldn't have counted) against the Nets. I remember the shot against the Sixers in 2001 too. I was hoping for more playoff memories this season

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            Re: #1 vs. #8 playoff history

            Originally posted by Believe_in_blue View Post
            The craziest I've ever gone in my life was when Reggie hit the half court shot (that shouldn't have counted) against the Nets. I remember the shot against the Sixers in 2001 too. I was hoping for more playoff memories this season
            "Oh he banked it in, he banked it in!!"

            What may have been even more exciting was the drive with under 10 seconds left in OT down 2 where he takes it from top of the key all way down the middle of the lane for a 2 handed jam. I was like whhhhaaaat did I just see a CLUTCH MILLER DUNK!!!!!

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              I'm worried we are about to be on the wrong side of history.

              Those other #1 teams might have had a bad game, we haven't played like a team capable of winning a 7 game series since the All-Star break.

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                Re: #1 vs. #8 playoff history

                Originally posted by VideoVandal View Post
                "Oh he banked it in, he banked it in!!"

                What may have been even more exciting was the drive with under 10 seconds left in OT down 2 where he takes it from top of the key all way down the middle of the lane for a 2 handed jam. I was like whhhhaaaat did I just see a CLUTCH MILLER DUNK!!!!!
                Like a feather in the wind.

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                  Re: #1 vs. #8 playoff history

                  Originally posted by Shade View Post
                  There have been 10 #1 vs. #8 match-ups where the #8 seed won Game 1 (11 counting this series). Of those, the #1 seed went on to win the series 7 times.

                  The '93 Suns are the only #1 seed to lose the first two games to a #8 seed (the Lakers). Phoenix won the series in 5 games.
                  That doesn't bode all that well for the Pacers. 3 out of 10 times the #8 seed went on to win the series. Also, how many of those games were blow-outs where the #1 seed had been in a funk for months? Considering that, I think it's a toss-up and the winner of the next game will likely win this series.

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                    Re: #1 vs. #8 playoff history

                    Originally posted by Believe_in_blue View Post
                    The craziest I've ever gone in my life was when Reggie hit the half court shot (that shouldn't have counted) against the Nets. I remember the shot against the Sixers in 2001 too. I was hoping for more playoff memories this season
                    That '01 game where Reg went draino over Iverson for the win, I started screaming so loud in the living room my sisters all ran out to see what was wrong with me.

                    Game 5 in '02 (despite the loss) is probably one of my most favorite playoff games I've ever seen. I was pretty depressed after we lost because I remember Charles saying at halftime that whoever won that series would win the East.

                    *Edit*
                    I also remember Kevin Ollie choking big time for us in one of the overtimes. He drove down the lane and had a wide open 7 foot floater and air balled it.

                    The charge Jason Kidd drew on Ron Mercer in the 2nd OT was the turning point. We were up 3 and Mercer drove baseline and made a shot but just before he took off, Kidd slid in underneath him and drew the charge. Ended up being a 5 point swing as New Jersey went down and scored on their next possession. Maaaaaan we were so close.
                    Last edited by Phree Refill; 04-21-2014, 11:43 PM.

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                      That 1993 Suns team was interesting. NBA's best record, but a .500 Lakers team had their number that season. Vlade was in his prime and Phoenix had no answer for him, Elden Campbell or AC Green.

                      The suns lost the first two at home, then went to LA and handled the Lakers pretty easily in both games 3 and 4, yet very nearly lost game 5 at home (Majerle hit a ridiculous off balance jumper to send it to OT).

                      8 seeds can give matchup nightmares to 1 seeds (the main factor behind every 1-8 upset ever), but in the end the 1 seed has more talent, and it generally comes down to the much better team wanting it enough to fight through a tough opponent.

                      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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                        Re: #1 vs. #8 playoff history

                        Originally posted by VideoVandal View Post
                        "Oh he banked it in, he banked it in!!"

                        What may have been even more exciting was the drive with under 10 seconds left in OT down 2 where he takes it from top of the key all way down the middle of the lane for a 2 handed jam. I was like whhhhaaaat did I just see a CLUTCH MILLER DUNK!!!!!
                        No matter how many times I see it that dunk still amazes me to this day, lol. Plus, Miller wasn't a spring chicken and wasn't never known as a dunker.


                        Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                          Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                          That 1993 Suns team was interesting. NBA's best record, but a .500 Lakers team had their number that season. Vlade was in his prime and Phoenix had no answer for him, Elden Campbell or AC Green.

                          The suns lost the first two at home, then went to LA and handled the Lakers pretty easily in both games 3 and 4, yet very nearly lost game 5 at home (Majerle hit a ridiculous off balance jumper to send it to OT).

                          8 seeds can give matchup nightmares to 1 seeds (the main factor behind every 1-8 upset ever), but in the end the 1 seed has more talent, and it generally comes down to the much better team wanting it enough to fight through a tough opponent.
                          And there's lies the irony...on paper, Atlanta is not a matchup problem for Indiana. Jeff Teague was closest thing to a problem, but our perimeter and funneling defense should have kept in him check.

                          Hell, how many people can name off their entire starting five without looking it up?


                          Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                            Re: #1 vs. #8 playoff history

                            Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
                            And there's lies the irony...on paper, Atlanta is not a matchup problem for Indiana. Jeff Teague was closest thing to a problem, but our perimeter and funneling defense should have kept in him check.

                            Hell, how many people can name off their entire starting five without looking it up?
                            Huh? ATL has the best shooting front court in the NBA probably. Milsap and Antic can both camp the 3. This is the biggest issue. The whole reason Teague got loose in game 1 was because Roy and West were 20 feet from the hoop. vEven then we still may need to consider just letting Antic do his thing. The dude is only a 32% shooter from 3, Milsap is actually the better shooter at 36%.

                            A couple things to remember about this Hawks team

                            1.) They've had a lot of injuries the past two years. Horford obviously has been a major missing piece, but don't forget that last year they didn't have Lou Williams against us either, he gives them another perimeter creator we have to at least account for. They've also had injury issues this season too. Milsap missed 8 games. Korver missed 11. Lou missed 22 this season. Antic only played in 50 games. When Milsap missed his longest stretch of the year, end of FEB into start of MAR, ATL went from a .500 team and slid down to where they are now. They struggled when he got back too as he got up to speed then really played well end of MAR into APR. FEB in general was a really tough month for the Hawks and was when they went from being above .500 to .500 and then dipped under and they didn't have Antic that entire month. Antic is not a huge statistical monster but he is an important part of what Budenholzer wants to do from a game plan stand point.

                            2.) Teague is quietly now one of the most playoff tested point guards in the NBA. This is his fourth straight year of starting at point in the playoffs for the Hawks. Yeah they haven't seen a ton of success but at this point he's certainly not intimidated by the moment. I thought he played really loose in game 1.

                            3.) This Hawks team is better than the one we beat last year. Yes, I know not by record, but in terms of game plan and how they play together they are better. At least right now. April was arguably their best month of basketball and while I don't really believe in momentum, I do believe that sometimes a team can click at the right moment. You knwo what game 1 actually reminded me of? Our game 1 against CHI 3 years ago, a team with a solid game plan and a couple matchup advantages giving the much more talented team all they can handle. If you all remember, after Tyler's steal and dunk, it looked like we were about to run away with it, now Rose went nova late and saved the day for Chicago, but had we kept rolling from the Tyler dunk we might remember that game 1 the same way. ATL absolutely can and will give us problems, but in the end I do think our talent will win out. This series from a matchup perspective may be way scarier for us than our round 2 opponent.

                            Right now it's about circling the wagons, we shot the ball well in the first half of game 1, we actually rebounded pretty well too (14 offensive boards off 47 misses is decent), you would probably look at me crazy if I told you we had more assists than the Hawks but we actually did (19 assists to their 13)

                            Atlanta did beat us and in the 3rd Q they beat our brains in really, but to me the biggest thing for the P's tonight is not giving up 29 free throws to a team that isn't really looking to get inside all that often. That is in the end what ended up dooming us Saturday. Lots of bad fouls. West's foul trouble in the 3rd coinciding with PG deciding to get his quad checked out is what allowed ATL to get breathing room and play loose in the fourth quarter.


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                              Re: #1 vs. #8 playoff history

                              Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
                              And there's lies the irony...on paper, Atlanta is not a matchup problem for Indiana. Jeff Teague was closest thing to a problem, but our perimeter and funneling defense should have kept in him check.

                              Hell, how many people can name off their entire starting five without looking it up?
                              Like every other Pacers fan, I was disappointed after seeing them lose Game 1. But I've had my cooling off period especially after reading an article by Manny Randhaws over at Pacers.com where he sheds some light on a 7:24 stretch in the game where the Hawks flourished primarily because PG & DWest went out and ET & Scola came in.

                              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                              Atlanta did beat us and in the 3rd Q they beat our brains in really, but to me the biggest thing for the P's tonight is not giving up 29 free throws to a team that isn't really looking to get inside all that often. That is in the end what ended up dooming us Saturday. Lots of bad fouls. West's foul trouble in the 3rd coinciding with PG deciding to get his quad checked out is what allowed ATL to get breathing room and play loose in the fourth quarter.
                              Moreover, if you look at what happened for the Pacers after PG returned, you'll notice that's when they regained the momentum. Unfortunately, they'd dug themselves too deep a hole and just couldn't climb out of it.

                              The Game 1 loss boils down to Vogel being out-coached and NOT making a defensive substitution sooner that could have stopped Teague in his tracks. IMO, it would've made more sense to go with CJ @ Point, Butler @ SF and Copeland @ PF over ET & Scola in the back court. Maybe Vogel learned his lesson and will remember that this team's greatest strength remains its defense. The bench has shown that they can and will step up to the challenge. Why not use them?
                              Last edited by NuffSaid; 04-22-2014, 01:14 PM.

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