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4/19/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Hawks

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    Game Time Start: 7:00 PM ET
    Where: The Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN
    Officials: D. Crawford, J. Capers, J. Tiven, N. Buchert

    Media Notes: Indiana Notes, Atlanta Notes
    Television: / SportSouth
    Radio: WFNI 1070 AM, 107.5 FM
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    Home: 35-6
    Away: 14-27
    Apr 22
    Apr 24
    Apr 26
    Apr 28

    Andrew Bynum – racing Fesenko to be Pacers' least effective midseason pivot pickup (out)

    Gustavo Ayon - right shoulder surgery (out)
    Al Horford - right pectoral muscle surgery (out)
    John Jenkins - lower back surgery (out)

    Pace Miller: PREVIEW - Pacers (1) vs Hawks (8)

    And so the real fun begins.

    The No. 1 seeded Indiana Pacers (56-26) open their 2014 playoff campaign against the
    8th seeded Atlanta Hawks (39-43) . No one gave the Hawks a chance after they lost Al
    Horford for the season with a pec injury, but they managed to hang around and finish
    the season strong by going 6-2 in their last 8 games.

    Conversely, the Pacers’ struggles since the All-Star break have been well documented,
    so there’s no need to go there again. The last time these two teams met, April 6, the
    Hawks dropped the Pacers to their lowest point of the season, a 107-88 drubbing at
    Bankers Life Fieldhouse that ended a dreadful 3-8 stretch. Since then, the Pacers are
    3-1 and finished the season with 2 consecutive wins, including one against the
    contending OKC Thunder. Two of the games (Milwaukee and Orlando) were essentially
    played by the reserves, so it’s hard to tell whether the Pacers have really turned the
    corner or will continue to struggle.


    On paper, and judging by regular season records, the Pacers should demolish the
    Hawks, as a first seed should do to an 8th seed. But with the Hawks playing well
    despite injuries and the Pacers playing like crap despite health, it won’t be a shock
    to find a lot of people who believe the Hawks can pull off an upset.

    The two teams split their regular season series 2-2, with each team winning once on
    the road. Though the Hawks don’t have Al Horford, Paul Millsap remains a nightmare,
    as does Jeff Teague. In fact, the entire Hawks team provides matchup problems for
    the Pacers because they like to shoot from the outside, with Kyle Korver being
    particularly deadly. That negates the Pacers’ biggest strengths, which are interior
    defense, rim protection, and funneling opponents towards the big fella in the middle.

    We’ve seen what Antic can do, and he was apparently the reason Hibbert only played
    9 minutes the last time these two teams met. “Matchup problems,” as coach Vogel
    called it.

    So the big question remains whether the Pacers can regain some of their unstoppable
    early season form that pushed them to a 33-7 record to start the season. If they can,
    then there’s nothing for Pacers fans to worry about. But it’s a big IF. As many analysts
    have pointed out, the Pacers drop off has been staggering. Historical. More than
    “norm” than a “slump.” Since the All-Star break they have had the worst offense in
    the league apart from the Philadelphia 76ers, which, as Grantland’s Zach Lowe put it,
    the worst among real NBA teams.

    That said, history has shown that teams who play well entering the playoffs don’t
    necessarily play well in the playoffs, and teams who struggle heading into the
    playoffs don’t necessarily continue to struggle. It really is a clean slate, and it’s the
    same reason why no one is seriously concerned about the Miami Heat’s near-equally
    bad end to the season.

    As this article suggests portion size...CONTINUE READING AT PACERS PULSE

    Chase Thomas: Analyzing the Hawks vs. Pacers series

    The Hawks find themselves the sixth seed in the Eastern Conference which means a
    trip to Indiana to face the Pacers in the first round. We breakdown the match-ups and
    what to expect in this first-round series.

    The Hawks will travel to Indiana on Sunday to take on the Pacers at 1 PM (TNT) to begin
    their first-round series. Atlanta has played Indiana four times this season to an even 2-2
    split, with each team winning both home games. The Hawks will have to break that
    trend and get a road victory if they are to move on to the second round. The good news,
    beating the Pacers at home is not an impossible task. The Pacers were 30-11 at home
    this year, but have lost three of their last four home games. Indiana possesses about as
    much of a home-court advantage as the Hawks do (IND: 25th in attendance, ATL: 26th)
    which is why this is the 1 PM game on Sunday, and will be "featured" on NBATV on
    Wednesday night (7:30 PM). Here, we will breakdown the key match-ups that will be the
    deciding factors in this series.

    Can the Hawks really upset the Indiana Pacers in the first round? It's plausible, and
    that's what matters.

    For a while it didn't look like the Atlanta Hawks were going to be lucky enough to draw
    the struggling Indiana Pacers in the first round of the 2014 NBA Playoffs.

    But it actually happened.

    I wrote last week about how the Hawks really needed to draw the Pacers rather than
    the Miami Heat. Sure, the Hawks have had moderate success against the Heat. The
    Hawks could have swept their season series with the Heat, but the playoff result would
    have remained the same: eliminated in the 1st round. The Hawks probably aren't going
    to eliminate the Pacers, but what's important is that it's plausible.

    Plausibility is what makes the playoffs a sensational experience for fans. The Golden
    State Warriors weren't going to represent the Western Conference in the NBA Finals the
    year they upset the Dallas Mavericks in the opening round of the playoffs, but that didn't
    matter. Going into a series knowing the end result makes it hard to get emotionally
    invested as a fan for obvious reasons. If they're not going to advance why get worked
    up for it? I'm not sure there is an easy fix for this.

    This is what makes being an NBA fan hard at times. With the seven game series format
    it's incredibly difficult for lower seeds to advance very far in the postseason. Like
    anything else, there are positive and negative things that come with a format like this.
    So when a matchup like the Pacers vs. Hawks comes along it's important to embrace the
    moment. The Pacers are vulnerable, and the Hawks blew them out on the road not too
    long ago. Where this hope, there is excitement. This playoff matchup encompasses both.

    In four games against the Pacers this season the Hawks have scored 104.6 points per
    100 possessions while surrendering just 97.3 points per 100 possessions, per
    The Pacers sit alone at the top of the league in defensive efficiency. Their offensive
    inefficiencies, however, has plagued the team for months now. In a vacuum, the Pacers
    defensive metrics should...CONTINUE READING AT PEACHTREE HOOPS

    2013-2014 Playoff Previews: Indiana Pacers vs. Atlanta Hawks

    The playoffs begin on Saturday, thankfully, which means it’s that lovely time of spring
    (and it is spring, right? It’s not going to snow again, is it?) when the minds behind Ball
    Don’t Lie offer you their thoughts on the upcoming pairings in the first round of the
    NBA’s postseason.

    Kelly Dwyer’s Old Grey Whistle Test

    One year ago, the Indiana Pacers and Atlanta Hawks met in a first-round series that was
    ridiculed for its boring play, Indiana’s inability to close out what felt like a lesser Hawks
    squad, and its relegation to the NBA TV end of things rather than a more nationally
    sponsored showcase.

    This... this doesn’t figure to change in 2014.

    Indiana, at its best, is a fearsome outfit. They admirably paid tribute to its own fans
    and own potential while coming out of the gates swinging last autumn, restating a point
    with both words and play the team treated home-court advantage throughout the
    Eastern Conference bracket as a priority, an understandable goal considering the outfit’s
    Game 7 loss in Miami to the Heat in 2013. The Pacers held the NBA’s best record for a
    goodly chunk of the season’s first half, it more than held its own in both Indianapolis and
    Miami meetings with the defending champs, and it finished the season with both the top
    seed in the East and a 35-6 record at home.

    It also finished the season on a 23-19 run, hardly a mark befitting a championship
    contender working with a healthy starting lineup and designs on knocking off the two-
    time champion Heat. Its offense sunk terribly, its particulars whined and moaned about
    each other on record to the media, and its top players fell off in ways that made the
    midseason summations of their respective seasons seem almost laughable in retrospect.

    Paul George won’t be battling Kevin Durant and LeBron James for All-NBA honors, much
    less MVP honors. Lance Stephenson doesn’t feel like much of a fringe All-Star anymore.
    Roy Hibbert may even lose out to Joakim Noah for Defensive Player of the Year honors,
    something that seemed unthinkable even a few weeks ago.

    And the Atlanta Hawks? They’re not exactly a needed salve, sent from on high to
    straighten Indiana’s ship.

    The Hawks split the season series with Indiana, with one midseason contest working as
    just the Pacers’ seventh loss in 35 tries, and it’s very much possible Atlanta’s 107-88
    triumph over Indiana from earlier in April acted as the Pacers’ low point. Indiana scored
    just 23 points in the first half of that contest, and partially as a result Indiana coach
    Frank Vogel decided to wipe his entire starting five off the books for the team’s next
    contest in Milwaukee, a borderline unprecedented move for a team whose status as the
    top overall seed was still in question.

    The Pacers responded with a win over those Bucks, in a way, because they were
    eventually blown...CONTINUE READING AT BALL DON'T LIE

    Matt Dollinger: Can stumbling Pacers handle Hawks?

    Matchup: No. 1 Indiana Pacers (56-26) vs. No. 8 Atlanta Hawks (38-44)
    Season Series: Tied 2-2
    Efficiency Rankings: IND (22nd offense, 1st defense), ATL (15th offense, 15th defense)

    The Matchup
    Few things seemed more inevitable this season than an Eastern Conference finals
    rematch between the Heat and Pacers. That is, until last month, when everything that
    made the Pacers the best team in the first half of the season vanished without a trace.
    Indiana went 8-10 in March, saw its tight-knit group ripped apart by poor play on the
    floor and bickering off it, and looked like a team in turmoil.

    The Hawks, meanwhile, rebounded from losing 14 of 15 games in February and March
    to stave off the Knicks for the No. 8 seed despite the absence of two-time All-Star
    center Al Horford. Indiana and Atlanta met in the first round of the playoffs last season,
    when the Pacers triumphed 4-2.

    The Case For The Pacers
    Even for a team in disarray, the Pacers are staggering favorites to beat the Hawks in a
    seven-game series. They have more talent and experience, the league's No. 1 defense
    (96.7 points allowed per 100 possessions) and an avalanche of motivation (or is it
    pressure?) after falling one game short of the Finals last season and stumbling into the
    playoffs this year.

    Indiana appeared to turn the corner with an encouraging win over the Thunder last
    Sunday, but a single victory can't erase doubts created by a month's worth of poor play.
    Indiana's defense declined and offense deteriorated in recent weeks, but there's reason
    to believe that the Pacers will still handle Atlanta. The Hawks give up size at every
    position and lack an imposing shot-blocker, which should allow the Pacers to do what
    they do best: Bully opponents and dominate the paint.

    The Case For The Hawks
    Atlanta beat Indiana twice this season, including their most recent meeting, on April 6,
    when the Hawks held the Pacers to a franchise-low 23 points in the first half. One player
    in particular who has given...CONTINUE READING AT THE POINT FORWARD

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    Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s
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    Ian Levy @HickoryHigh
    Whitney @its_whitney

    Chris Vivlamore @ajchawks
    Jason Walker @JasonWalkerSBN
    Kris Willis @Kris_Willis
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    Raj Prashad @RajPrashad
    Co Co @cocoqt81

    Last edited by avoidingtheclowns; 04-19-2014, 11:28 AM.
    This is the darkest timeline.

  • #2
    Re: 4/19/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Hawks

    Once again - thanks for the great work on these all season.


    • #3
      Re: 4/19/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Hawks

      It's time. 16 wins to go.

      Let's enjoy the ride.


      • #4
        Re: 4/19/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Hawks

        Time to play with some force. No excuses, no tired play, no bored play, no distractions, no whining to the refs, no *****ing, just come out and play hard for 48 minutes. Haven't seen that in a few months, if this team has it at all anymore the time is right now. This should be a four game series. These Hawks are one of the weaker teams to ever be in the NBA playoffs.


        • #5
          Re: 4/19/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Hawks

          Man I wish we had a chatroom setup for the playoffs. Makes it easier for us all to be involved during the game! I love the forums, but I struggle to keep up with it all during important games lol :P


          • #6
            Re: 4/19/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Hawks

            Let's gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
            Impossible Is Nothing


            • #7
              Re: 4/19/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Hawks

              Man Torontos home crowd making us look bad lol
              Impossible Is Nothing


              • #8
                Re: 4/19/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Hawks

                My furniture shudders at the thought of potentially two months of Pacers playoffs. Let's ****ing go. We've been waiting all season for this. No ****ing around, now.


                • #9
                  Re: 4/19/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Hawks

                  They might have the best player in the series (Pero Antic), but we have the better TEAM.

                  Let's protect homecourt!


                  • #10
                    Re: 4/19/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Hawks

                    Originally posted by Pace Maker View Post
                    They might have the best player in the series (Pero Antic), but we have the better TEAM.

                    Let's protect homecourt!
                    Um... No
                    Impossible Is Nothing


                    • #11
                      Re: 4/19/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Hawks

                      Bill Simmons is SUCH a DOUCHE
                      "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."


                      • #12
                        Re: 4/19/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Hawks

                        Originally posted by Romsey31 View Post
                        Um... No
                        I really didn't think I would need green font..


                        • #13
                          Re: 4/19/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Hawks

                          I would like to hit bill Simmons in the mouth


                          • #14
                            Re: 4/19/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Hawks

                            So far, both game played we were won by the underdogs...let's break the streak Pacersssss...
                            "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


                            • #15
                              Re: 4/19/2014 NBA Playoffs, First Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Hawks

                              LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!