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"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

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  • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

    Originally posted by lolwuttermelons View Post
    Nah, he was often the offball guard with Irving/Jack taking ballhandling duties. He's a pretty solid player. It was one of the worst draft classes yes, but his RAPM was among top of the class. Like his defense, which was really inspired, particularly chasing shooters (Beal/Thompson/Korver to name a few all had mighty struggles with him guarding them) over the court. He looks like a guy with a good future, a bit like Udrih when he was on the Spurs.
    I think that was Waiters playing offball guard. Delladova even started at PG when Kyrie was out.
    Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.

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    • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

      Originally posted by BornReady View Post
      I think that was Waiters playing offball guard. Delladova even started at PG when Kyrie was out.
      FWIW, he started one game for Irving, and in that game Jack was also out (it was against us). The other games he started was with Irving

      Jack/Delly/Waiters would all play together. Delly is at heart a PG (played it at St. Mary's and brought the ball up for the Aussie national team). But last year he typically guarded the other team's 2 guard/wing rather than the PG, and did a great job. He showed a lot of promise as a combo guard, a bit like Vasquez

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      • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

        Originally posted by kent beckley View Post
        If we sign Lance, barring another move we will not have the full MLE to work with.
        Sorry, I see how my post could be read incorrectly.

        I meant that if Lance is not re-signed....that all we'd have is the full MLE along with the TPEs to acquire Players.

        Of course, we'd have part of the MLE to spend on Free Agents if we re-sign Lance. I'm hoping that Lance can be re-signed for $8 to 8.5 mil a year ( my guess with a 4th Year Player Option ). That should give us between $2 mil to 2.5 mil to spend on a Wing Player in the 2nd unit ( assuming that we sign 3 End of the Bench Players to Vet / Rookie Minimum Salaries averaging $950k a piece ).

        That may not seem like much...but it should be able to net us a decent to solid 8th to 9th rotational Role Player in the 2nd unit ( I'm hoping they target Anthony Morrow ).
        Last edited by CableKC; 06-25-2014, 12:43 AM.
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        • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

          Originally posted by CableKC View Post
          I think that Lance will re-sign with the Pacers.........but to continue this line of discussion....barring a trade....the question is whose the best FA UFA that the Pacers can get for the full MLE?

          I look at the PG free Agent UFA list and don't see any that are a difference maker....or at least one that is worth the full MLE.

          http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/99...ents-2014-2015

          If anything, I think that the list of FA better suits getting a decent Wing Player that can start or a solid 1st Wing off the bench....but not a Solid Starting PG.

          I'm assuming that the best option to get a quality PG is via a Trade.
          I wouldn't mind Shaun Livingston

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          • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

            Can someone tell me when Scola's 2014-2015 salary has to be picked up before it becomes unguaranteed?

            The reason I ask is that if it's being used as a trading asset ( specifically by Teams that want to clear Salary ).....I assume that there is some date that it would have to be traded by a certain date in order for it to be used.

            I think that it will go from $4.87 mil to $1.87 mil if the unguaranteed Salary is not picked up....the question is when does it need to be used by and therefore a date that we should be using it by.

            When I check on Shamsports, it indicates that his salary is "Final Season is guaranteed $940k with no unguaranteed date" ( someone here said that it will go to $1.87 mil if he plays a certain # of games this last season ).

            What does "guaranteed....with no unguaranteed date" mean?
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            • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

              Originally posted by CableKC View Post
              Sorry, I see how my post could be read incorrectly.

              I meant that if Lance is not re-signed....that all we'd have is the full MLE along with the TPEs to acquire Players.

              Of course, we'd have part of the MLE to spend on Free Agents if we re-sign Lance. I'm hoping that Lance can be re-signed for $8 to 8.5 mil a year ( my guess with a 4th Year Player Option ). That should give us between $2 mil to 2.5 mil to spend on a Wing Player in the 2nd unit ( assuming that we sign 3 End of the Bench Players to Vet / Rookie Minimum Salaries averaging $950k a piece ).

              That may not seem like much...but it should be able to net us a decent to solid 8th to 9th rotational Role Player in the 2nd unit ( I'm hoping they target Anthony Morrow ).

              There use to be 2 LE's available the MLE and a bi-annual. I believe the latter was referred to as the LLE. Is it not available anymore?

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              • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                Originally posted by PR07 View Post
                Does Afflalo really make sense for the Cavaliers? They're still a few years away, and if they don't find a star to pair with Irving soon, he's probably going to bolt. To me, he wouldn't help them anymore than Luol Deng did. I could see not going for the all-potential in Wiggins, but I can't see Jabari Parker sucking in the NBA. I'd stay away from Emblid if those two are on the board.


                Dan Gilbert wanted to make the playoffs last year, and apparently there is pressure in Cleveland to win now. If nothing else, from a standpoint of assets alone picking up a veteran like Afflalo would be a nice get there. Plus, they are in the East. There are playoff spots to be had in our conference.

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                • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                  Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                  There use to be 2 LE's available the MLE and a bi-annual. I believe the latter was referred to as the LLE. Is it not available anymore?
                  We used the bi-annual exception last year on CJ Watson. As the name implies, it can be used only once every 2 years, so we won't have it this year. It probably doesn't matter though since because of luxury tax we might not even spend the whole MLE.

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                  • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                    Can someone tell me when Scola's 2014-2015 salary has to be picked up before it becomes unguaranteed?

                    ....

                    What does "guaranteed....with no unguaranteed date" mean?
                    No unguaranteed date means there's no deadline, he can be cut at any time. Well, not technically true, there's a cutoff date when all contracts become guaranteed, but that's like after the All Star break, I think.

                    IMO though, I doubt very much we trade Scola's deal for a guaranteed salary. We badly need the savings ourselves.

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                    • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                      Make no mistake, the Cavs are seriously pursuing LeBron and will explore pairing another star, such as Kevin Love or Carmelo Anthony, to entice a LeBron homecoming. With that said, LeBron James has injected himself into the conversation on draft night and every pick and deal made will be analyzed with a potential pursuit of LeBron in mind.

                      According to my sources, the Cavaliers organization is split between Jabari Parker and Andrew Wiggins. Ownership prefers Parker because of his ability to contribute right away and because there is a sense that Parker would be the preferred by LeBron James if he returns to the Cavs. GM David Griffin will ultimately make the decision but most, including myself, believe that Wiggins has more upside and the potential to be the best player in the draft down the road. Also, don’t rule out Joel Embiid if the Cavaliers trade down or acquire an additional lottery pick.

                      If they can get Arron Afflalo, the No. 4 and the No. 12 pick from Orlando, that might just be the deal that goes down.

                      Trade talks are heating up as well. The Lakers are now offering any team willing to absorb Steve Nash’s contract the 7th overall pick after hitting an impasse with the Warriors over Klay Thompson as part of a three-way deal for Kevin Love.. The Celtics are discussing deals ranging from moving Rajon Rondo to potentially moving up for Embiid, if he slips on Thursday. The Sacramento Kings, with Rudy Gay opting in, are exploring deals for PGs and are willing to part with the 8th overall pick.

                      Of course, most of the trade rumors have involved Cleveland dealing the first overall pick and the list of suitors includes the 76ers, Magic, and Jazz. With just about 48 hours until Adam Silver walks to the podium, I expect things to get even wilder.
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                      • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                        Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                        Scola and Ian for Nash and #7 works. They wanna get rid of Nash because he's super old and can't contribute really. We'd have Nash for 1 season before he expires next Summer. He'd also be a trade chip at the deadline if we choose to do so. Then we could deal Hill to Sac for #8 or I.Thomas and #8. Or we could work a three-way trade.


                        Indy/Boston/Sac.


                        Sac gets Hill and Avery Bradley. Indy gets Rondo. Boston gets #8 and I. Thomas.

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                        • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                          Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                          Scola and Ian for Nash and #7 works. They wanna get rid of Nash because he's super old and can't contribute really. We'd have Nash for 1 season before he expires next Summer. He'd also be a trade chip at the deadline if we choose to do so. Then we could deal Hill to Sac for #8 or I.Thomas and #8. Or we could work a three-way trade.


                          Indy/Boston/Sac.


                          Sac gets Hill and Avery Bradley. Indy gets Rondo. Boston gets #8 and I. Thomas.
                          That is a terrible trade from Sacramento's point of view.

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                          • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                            Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
                            That is a terrible trade from Sacramento's point of view.
                            Sac's looking for a PG and are willing to deal #8. You don't think A. Bradley and Hill going there for I. Thomas and #8 is a good trade? Boston would get I. Thomas and #8. We'd get Rondo. Or just straight up deal Hill there for #8. Hill being a pass first PG/SG would fit on a team where Cousins, Gay, Thomas, and McLemore need the ball.

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                            • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                              Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                              Sac's looking for a PG and are willing to deal #8. You don't think A. Bradley and Hill going there for I. Thomas and #8 is a good trade? Boston would get I. Thomas and #8. We'd get Rondo. Or just straight up deal Hill there for #8. Hill being a pass first PG/SG would fit on a team where Cousins, Gay, Thomas, and McLemore need the ball.
                              Thomas is a better PG than Hill and Bradley, so why would they do that?

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                              • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                                Would love to some how pair PG and Kyrie together... Dream come true...
                                Why so SERIOUS

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