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I don't think this will give them any room under the cap next season. They'll still be over 70 mil next year with 5 spots left to fill. The most they would have is the mini mle so no big name free agents for the Cavs moving forward unless it's via trade. I expect them to try to use these contracts before the trade deadline to take on a long term contract from a team trying to get under the LTWhy do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.Comment
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BBall reference shows them at over 70 mil with 5 spots yet to fill and that's if they decline Waiters. However that counts Hayward who I think can be waived which would put them at around 60 mil. with 6 spots to fill. Still over the cap though so they can't go after any big free agents.
Even if they were 16 mil under the tax they still wouldn't have room to go after Hibbert or any other big name free agent. The new CBA won't allow for 4 max contract players.Last edited by Pacerized; 09-26-2014, 01:05 AM.Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.Comment
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The Cavs will go over the LT....they did it before when LeBron was there before and will likely do the same again.BBall reference shows them at over 70 mil with 5 spots yet to fill and that's if they decline Waiters. However that counts Hayward who I think can be waived which would put them at around 60 mil. with 6 spots to fill. Still over the cap though so they can't go after any big free agents.
Even if they were 16 mil under the tax they still wouldn't have room to go after Hibbert or any other big name free agent. The new CBA won't allow for 4 max contract players.
I'm guessing that the Cavs would trade Haywood for a comparable contract to a Team looking to dump a Quality Starter that has a big contract.
With Bogan's unguaranteed Contract, couple it with Haywood....they will have $16 in unguaranteed and expiring Contracts to throw at some Team that wants to dump a huge amount of Salary.Last edited by CableKC; 09-26-2014, 03:22 AM.Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.Comment
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Conrad Brunner has some thoughts from Frank. Here's the opening paragraph:
Addressing the assembled crowd of franchise supporters at the luncheon before the annual Pacers golf outing at Brickyard Crossing, Frank Vogel was his usual model of energy and enthusiasm. Introducing the newcomers, he pointed out how he couldn’t find anyone last year, not even Paul George, to stop Rodney Stuckey from getting to the hoop. He spoke glowingly of the long-range shooting of C.J. Miles and Damjan Rudez, and of what a steal Shayne Whittington will prove to be as an undrafted free agent.
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Bill Simmons Suspended by ESPN for Tirade on Roger Goodell...
On Monday, ESPN’s Bill Simmons challenged his employer to discipline him for excoriating N.F.L. Commissioner Roger Goodell’s handling of the Ray Rice domestic violence case. Simmons, on his Grantland.com podcast, repeatedly called Goodell a liar for saying that he had not seen the elevator video of Rice punching his fiancée.
Simmons calmly delivered his harshly critical remarks while peppering them with obscenity — an incendiary brew, especially considering ESPN’s business relationship with the N.F.L. on “Monday Night Football,” the college draft and other programming.
ESPN did not wait long to discipline Simmons.
On Wednesday, it suspended him for three weeks from all his activities: a long menu that includes columnist, podcast host, editor in chief of Grantland and executive producer of the 30 for 30 documentary series.
“Every employee must be accountable to ESPN and those engaged in our editorial operations must also operate within ESPN’s journalistic standards,” the company said in a statement. “We have worked hard to ensure that our recent N.F.L. coverage has met that criteria.”
Simmons, ESPN said, “did not meet those obligations.”
On his Grantland podcast, Simmons said: “Goodell, if he didn’t know what was on that tape, he’s a liar. I’m just saying it. He is lying. I think that dude is lying. If you put him up on a lie-detector test, that guy would fail.” He added: “I really hope somebody calls me or emails me and says I’m in trouble for anything I say about Roger Goodell, because if one person says that to me, I’m going public. You leave me alone.”
ESPN has removed the podcast from the Grantland website.
This is the third suspension for Simmons in his career at ESPN, and the most serious. In 2009 and 2013, he was barred from using Twitter for messages that violated company guidelines. In the latter case, he said that a quarrel on ESPN2’s “First Take” between Skip Bayless and the Seattle Seahawks was “awful and embarrassing.”
Simmons was unavailable for comment on the latest ESPN action against him.
Simmons’s latest suspension is not the first one at ESPN connected to the Rice case.
In July, Stephen A. Smith, a commentator on “First Take,” was discussing Rice and the two-game suspension that Goodell initially imposed. In rambling remarks, Smith suggested that women should avoid provoking men into assaulting them. He was soon after suspended from a week from “First Take” and his ESPN Radio show.
ESPN has not publicly offered its rationale about the length of its suspensions. In 2012, ESPN suspended Max Bretos, an anchor, for using the term “chink in the armor” in reference to Jeremy Lin. In 2010, Tony Kornheiser got a two-week suspension for comments about an outfit worn by Hannah Storm, a “SportsCenter” anchor."Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."Comment
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Hahaha Bill Simmons though he was some boss man. Sike!!! Guy has a podcast and acts like he the shti lolComment
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Rajon Rondo is expected to miss six weeks with a broken hand, league source tells Yahoo Sports. @BaxterHolmes first reported break/surgery.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) September 26, 2014
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The Bulls added Ben Hansbrough and Solomon Jones to their training camp roster. They're always two steps behind.Comment
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RT @ShandelRich: Danny Granger said he considered going back to Pacers. Thought Miami was a better fit, with or without LeBron.
— Scott Agness (@ScottAgness) September 26, 2014
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