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Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.
Yeah, we all know that you're always hoping for a trade.
We already have 9 Players ( not including Rudez ) that will get minutes:
GH/Stuckey/Miles/West/Hibbert/Watson/Solo/Scola/Mahinmi with Players like Copeland and Rudez waiting in line for minutes.
I'd have no problem bumping Solo down the food chain if it meant adding a fairly solid FA like Marion that could definitely impact the Team/Roster. But Jordan Crawford is a streaky low basketball IQ poor shot selection scorer that I have ZERO interest in bringing in. I guess he can help.....but I'd rather do nothing, save the $$$, keep the Disabled Player Exception in the Pacers/Bird's back pocket ( for any possible future trade opportunities ) and give whatever scoring opportunities and development minutes to Players that already are on the roster ( Solo, Rudez and Copeland ).
At this point, there is no Free Agent that is worth going after.
I think that whatever Solo, Copeland and Rudez ( all Players that would likely be affected by the addition of a Free Agent Guard/Forward ) would likely contribute would be comparable ( if not more ) to whatever contributions that Jordan Crawford ( or any remaining FA on the Market ) can give to the Team.Last edited by CableKC; 08-18-2014, 04:39 PM.Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.Comment
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Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.
In the big scheme of things timing is everything in the universe. One domino falls earlier than expected many things can change. Maybe if the Bulls had gotten an extra off day in between the Denver and Portland games last season, Rose might not have gotten hurt again. That small alteration of the universe could've made all the difference.Comment
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Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.
Not exactly. If a team has weaknesses, then yeah you wanna remove them. Point guard is our biggest flaw. It didn't show as much when Hill first got here. But at this point, it's like a giant zit on the future Prom Queen's face. I think Roy can be glossed over for now, and West's age in a PG-less season can too be glossed over. But with a team as depleted as ours? We need a point guard to get the ball to guys now more than ever. Hill ain't that guy. He might be a decent person, but from a B-ball standpoint. He ain't our guy. Especially for the future.Comment
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Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.
GET SHOOTERS. CUZ BASKETBALL. POINTS!Comment
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Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.
And how does GH not being the type of PG that you want on the Team tie in with whatever we are discussing now ( Jordan Crawford, much less any FA guard....can do on this Team )?
If you are talking about trading to get the PG that you want is a different story ( and forum ). But what PG are we going to get via Free Agency that will replace GH in the lineup at the point?Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.Comment
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Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.
Fixed.
To someone like Grimp that simply looks at streaky Players that put up good #s every now and then.....there's no difference. Fringe Player "X" that put up numbers on Team "A" automatically translates into Player "X" putting up the same #s on Team "B", right? We need to score more points with the loss of PG13 and Lance.....so more SCORERS on the Team automatically translates into more wins and less ongoing frustration with this Team's offense.
The problem is that there is a difference between getting "SHOOTERS" and "SCORERS" IMHO. We've seen this with the likes of Players like Green and DJ.....not all Players that do good on some Team immediately translates into that Player performing the same on the Pacers. For all I know, a Player like Stuckey ( just like ET ) may look like garbage on the Pacers under Vogel's unimaginative offense
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BTW....we did get a shooter in the offseason via FA....Rudez. The guy is a very capable shooter that can consistently hit the 3pt shot. The problem is that he has no NBA experience, has ZERO athleticism, appears to be a huge defensive liability, he's not flashy and he will likely be stuck behind Players like Solo, Stuckey and Miles in the rotation.
But if we simply look at him for what he is and used as a pure 3pt shooting Role Player.....yeah....he will likely fill the purpose that he was brought into fulfill.
Last edited by CableKC; 08-18-2014, 05:16 PM.Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.Comment
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Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.
I like the Bird's back pocket thing, CableKC. I'm coming around to the "play with what you have" idea. If Vogel can re-introduce his inside/outside preferred system, we can use the big's we still have from last year and bring the new players around to the way we want to play. If Roy, West, Scola and the new guys can hold the fort while we build some team chemistry, we could become competitive by the playoffs. If not, we will probably start looking for trades around the trade deadline. I agree that there are not any FA left that I would break the bank to bring in. GIGO, folks, bad players no one else wants does not make our team stronger.Comment
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Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.
You make good points, but acquiring a star point guard would at least get fans excited for the 2015-2016 season. Would show that the team has a plan with PG returns. If you're a Pacers fan, and this years team stinks....... you're thinking well... PG/Bledsoe PG/Rondo PG/Dragic PG/Jackson will be key pieces for the 2015-2016 run. No one is excited about the future of our PG position right now.Comment
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Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.
The reality is that there is no Player that can be signed via Free Agency that will provide us anything more than what Solo, Rudez and/or Copeland can provide in the rotation.
At this point where there are no quality FAs left..... using it makes little sense.....so we have little choice when choosing not to use it and keeping it in Bird's back pocket in the hope that it could be used as a trading chip later.Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.Comment
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Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.
Another good point, but my suggestions are based on one thing: How UGLY do you want this season to be?
A). We get creamed night in and night out?
B). We lose a lot but still manage to get the 8th seed
C). We have a valiant season and lose in rd2 or 3 of playoffs, and people are wowed at what we were able to accomplish without PG and after losing Lance.
Whatever signings or trades we make before the season begins, will ultimately decide which type of season we have.Comment
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Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.
You should separate FA signings with trades. One can be done with minimal impact to the Team's limited assets ( signing a FA ). When it comes to a trade, I ( and suspect that Bird ) has some minimal asking price for GH, West and Hibbert and won't make a trade just to make a trade.
We all know what you want to do when it comes to what you want in a trade. What FA Signing do you think will yield us better results than simply playing Solo, Rudez and/or Copeland in the rotation?
Given that I don't think that there are any FA worth signing for and that we have no idea about what the trading value of GH, West or Hibbert will have on the Trading Block; I will settle for Choice B.
IMHO....even if we stand pat......I already expect that we will be a Playoff Bubble Team that is competitive enough to make a run at the 8th spot in the Playoffs. If a trade of GH, West or Hibbert happens, great.....I think that Bird won't make one that will hurt the Team's chances to make a solid run at a Playoff spot. I don't think that we are so bad that we will be "losing night in and night out". Given all the crap we have been through this offseason....the 1st round of the Playoffs is what I am aiming for.....even if it means losing against Elite Level Teams.Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.Comment
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Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.
I don't even know about Copeland anymore. I really wish we knew what we had with him. But considering he got the "rookie" treatment last season by Vogel? I am not sure where he even fits this season. I'd love to know if he still has his stroke he had with the NYK. Or if he's lost it? But we didn't see enough of him last season to know. Anything really.Comment
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Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.
Although it's not certain there are eight teams that are definitively better than us, I'd say Vogel is coach of the year if he gets this group to the playoffs.I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.
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