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  • MillerTime
    FREE LANCE
    • May 2008
    • 7625

    Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

    last I checked Kobe was making more than Manu, Parker and Duncan combined
    "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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    • Shade
      Administrator
      • Jan 2004
      • 51892

      Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

      Miami's love of former Pacers continues:

      http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234495/Heat-Sign-Shawne-Williams

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      • flox
        Junior Member
        • Dec 2007
        • 2426

        Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

        Originally posted by Heisenberg



        How do the Spurs keep getting guys to take below market?
        Originally posted by Basketball Fan
        Makes you wonder if there's something under the table if it were the Heat, Lakers etc we'd be making these accusations.
        Considering this was the max that he could get via extension, I think its neither below market value nor is there anything shady going on. The Spurs didn't even get to have decreasing salaries or add a partially guaranteed year as they normally would for most of their contracts.

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        • Heisenberg
          u bum
          • Jun 2010
          • 25190

          Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

          he could've played it out and gotten more on the open market

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          • MillerTime
            FREE LANCE
            • May 2008
            • 7625

            Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

            Originally posted by Heisenberg
            he could've played it out and gotten more on the open market
            The "core" of Spurs' players could have all made more money in the open market but for some reason winning is more important to them
            "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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            • immortality
              Member
              • Feb 2007
              • 4164

              Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

              Originally posted by Heisenberg
              he could've played it out and gotten more on the open market
              That 15 million when he is 35 will be interesting.

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              • Kstat
                Rebound King
                • Jan 2004
                • 34207

                Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                Originally posted by Heisenberg
                he could've played it out and gotten more on the open market
                Doubtful. At age 33 who is going to break the bank on him into his late 30's and with 14 NBA seasons already on his tires?

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                • wintermute
                  Artificial Intelligence
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 7008

                  Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                  Not what we want to think about at the moment, but Marion is still unsigned. Presumably we'll get an injury exception for George, plus we'd be able to promise a ton of minutes to Marion at SF.

                  Alternatively, sign Beasley, and let him chuck away in a tanking year.

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                  • CableKC
                    Member
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 36687

                    Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                    Originally posted by wintermute
                    Not what we want to think about at the moment, but Marion is still unsigned. Presumably we'll get an injury exception for George, plus we'd be able to promise a ton of minutes to Marion at SF.

                    Alternatively, sign Beasley, and let him chuck away in a tanking year.
                    I know that this isn't something that many here want to discuss....but how does an injury exception work?

                    We're already up against the LT ceiling....what does this allow us to do? Is it like another MLE that allows us to go after another Player? I'd think that it would still count against the Salary Cap and push the Team over the LT.

                    EDIT - looked it up:



                    DISABLED PLAYER EXCEPTION -- This exception allows a team which is over the cap to replace a disabled player who will be out for the remainder of that season (it can also be granted in the event of a player's death). This exception is granted by the league, based on an application from the team and a determination by an NBA-designated physician that the player is substantially more likely than not to be unable to play through the following June 15.

                    If this exception is granted, the team can acquire one player via free agent signing, trade or wavier claim, to replace the disabled player:

                    The team may sign a free agent for one season only,
                    for 50% of the disabled player's salary or the amount of the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, whichever is less.
                    The team may trade for a player in the last season of his contract only (including any option years), who is making no more than 50% plus $100,000 of the disabled player's salary, or the amount of the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception plus $100,000, whichever is less.

                    The team may claim a player on waivers who is in the last season of his contract only (including any option years), who is making no more than 50% of the disabled player's salary, or the amount of the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, whichever is less.

                    Teams can apply for this exception from July 1 through January 15, and cannot apply after January 15. Once granted, the exception expires when a player is acquired, when the disabled player is traded or returns to the team, or on March 10 of that season, whichever comes first. This exception is granted on a season-by-season basis -- if the player will also be out the following season, the team needs to apply for this exception again the following season.

                    This exception can only be granted to the team for which the player was playing when his injury or illness was known, or reasonably should have become known. A team cannot trade for an injured player and subsequently apply for a Disabled Player exception for that player.

                    If a team's application for a disabled player exception is denied, the team must wait 90 days before submitting another request related to the same player, and then only for a new injury or aggravation of the same injury. Whether the application was approved or denied, the team can apply again (including for the same injury) the following season.

                    If the disabled player comes back sooner than expected he may be activated immediately, and the replacement player is not affected.

                    Don't confuse the Disabled Player exception with the salary cap relief teams sometimes receive after losing a player to a career-ending injury or death (see question number 63). The Disabled Player exception allows a team to acquire a replacement player. The salary cap relief removes a contract from the team's books.
                    From what I can tell, it basically looks like the Pacers can apply for the Disabled Players Exception and get a crack at using an exception that is equivalent to the MLE ( I assume about $5.3 mil ? ). However, I assume that this will push the Pacers into the LT?

                    If the option is there to use this and it amounts to $5+ mil....I'd offer it to Marion....while promising a Starting SF spot in the lineup. .
                    Last edited by CableKC; 08-02-2014, 03:16 AM.
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                    • cdash
                      Whale Shepherd
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 32259

                      Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                      Originally posted by wintermute
                      Alternatively, sign Beasley, and let him chuck away in a tanking year.
                      This team didn't tank when they had a crappy team and no hope. They sure as **** aren't going to tank now. Too much pride in that locker room and Bird has made it clear over the years that tanking is not a strategy he will pursue.

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                      • Heisenberg
                        u bum
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 25190

                        Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                        Originally posted by CableKC
                        I know that this isn't something that many here want to discuss....but how does an injury exception work?

                        We're already up against the LT ceiling....what does this allow us to do? Is it like another MLE that allows us to go after another Player? I'd think that it would still count against the Salary Cap and push the Team over the LT.
                        it is basically an extra MLE we can offer for a year, but yeah, all the potential tax problems still apply, we wouldn't get a waiver from it or something like that. we could apply for one but it really doesn't change what we can (well, will) spend all that much, we're at ~75.8 mil right now, the tax is 76.8.

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                        • wintermute
                          Artificial Intelligence
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 7008

                          Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                          Originally posted by CableKC
                          If the option is there to use this and it amounts to $5+ mil....I'd offer it to Marion....while promising a Starting SF spot in the lineup. .
                          LT still applies yeah, so whatever we offer Marion shouldn't put us over. Prior to this however, we were out of exceptions and could only offer Marion the minimum. Also, we have a couple of unguaranteed contracts that we can waive to free up a little extra money.

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                          • CableKC
                            Member
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 36687

                            Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                            Originally posted by Heisenberg
                            it is basically an extra MLE we can offer for a year, but yeah, all the potential tax problems still apply, we wouldn't get a waiver from it or something like that. we could apply for one but it really doesn't change what we can (well, will) spend all that much, we're at ~75.8 mil right now, the tax is 76.8.
                            I know that some here won't agree....but honestly, I'd just dump Scola's contract.....clear up roughly $2.9 mil in salary......and put whatever else is left ( maybe $3.9 mil / 1 year deal / guaranteed Starting SF spot ) in an offer to Marion.

                            I don't look at Scola as anything more than an inefficient use of wasted Capspace since we have Copeland as a replacement. IMHO....we had the luxury of keeping both Scola and Copeland.....now, I don't think that it's one that we should afford....IF the opportunity is there to attempt a run at Marion for a single year at whatever price he can be had without breaking that ceiling.

                            So yeah, I'm all for dumping him if we can make some improvement in the roster.
                            Last edited by CableKC; 08-02-2014, 03:27 AM.
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                            • Heisenberg
                              u bum
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 25190

                              Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                              Originally posted by wintermute
                              LT still applies yeah, so whatever we offer Marion shouldn't put us over. Prior to this however, we were out of exceptions and could only offer Marion the minimum. Also, we have a couple of unguaranteed contracts that we can waive to free up a little extra money.
                              we'd also literally HAVE to waive Sloan or Whittington since the roster's full. not right now of course, but Marion (or whoever) wouldn't be some guy we're bringing in as a camp body obviously.

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                              • wintermute
                                Artificial Intelligence
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 7008

                                Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                                Originally posted by cdash
                                This team didn't tank when they had a crappy team and no hope. They sure as **** aren't going to tank now. Too much pride in that locker room and Bird has made it clear over the years that tanking is not a strategy he will pursue.
                                I agree with you that we probably won't tank, but I'll just say that IMO a one year tank triggered by a freak injury is different from the long term tank job that Philly say is putting on.

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