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  • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

    Originally posted by Grimp View Post
    The only reason I'd want Melo is to balance out those BS superstar calls every other team gets against us.
    Paul George did get his fair share of superstar calls, so we can't really talk.

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    • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

      I can't wait for Evan Turner to sign somewhere else to take his selfish, no defense playing game.

      Until then, its going to be a LOONNNNNNNGGGG summer of awful trade proposals.
      "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

      "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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      • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

        Originally posted by Grimp View Post
        So would you wanna move Hill for a top 15 pick? I think Phoenix or Philly would do it. They can't possibly sign all those guys right?
        Why would the Suns want GH? They already have Dragic and Bledsoe. A top 15 pick is much better value....but I'm guessing that most of their CapSpace is going to go to Bledsoe. In addition....they don't have a real need for GH.

        If the Pacers can get a Top 10 to 15 Draft Pick and a huge TPE for GH...I guess that would be decent value....but I would much rather keep GH than trade him for a Draft Pick.
        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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        • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

          I think Grimp might be related to ET, lol, just kidding

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          • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

            Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
            I can't wait for Evan Turner to sign somewhere else to take his selfish, no defense playing game.

            Until then, its going to be a LOONNNNNNNGGGG summer of awful trade proposals.


            How is he selfish? We need more players on this team that can create their own shot. Currently, minus Turner we only have Lance and PG.

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            • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

              Originally posted by Speed View Post
              I think Grimp might be related to ET, lol, just kidding
              It just sucks to see another offense player come here, not do anything, and then get sent packing. Even Larry said it. Wherever he goes next season he'll average 17ppg. Yet he brings Vogel back. Can't he understand Vogel just knows nothing about how to use scorers?

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              • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                Turner brings better effort though and all around game. More talent. Turner made the most out of his just 2 starts this season for us with 19 ppg. Hill rarely scores 19.......ever. In multiple starts.
                Sorry, scoring like that during the regular season doesn't make any difference to me. How many DNP-CD did ET get at the most critical games of the Playoffs? Who contributed more during the Playoff run?

                IMHO.......I'd rather keep GH than give him up for ET.

                I'm guessing that you'd say that it's Vogel's fault for not playing ET....just like he didn't play Copeland. But unlike the Scola/Copeland situation....the problem is that Vogel did play him during the regular season and even at the beginning of the Playoffs....but it became blindingly clear that he wasn't a good fit for the Team and had to play Rasual in favor of him.
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                • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                  Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                  Sorry, scoring like that during the regular season doesn't make any difference to me. How many DNP-CD did ET get at the most critical games of the Playoffs? Who contributed more during the Playoff run?

                  IMHO.......I'd rather keep GH than give him up for ET.

                  I'm guessing that you'd say that it's Vogel's fault for not playing ET....just like he didn't play Copeland. But unlike the Scola/Copeland situation....the problem is that Vogel did play him during the regular season and even at the beginning of the Playoffs....but it became blindingly clear that he wasn't a good fit for the Team and had to play Rasual in favor of him.


                  Well ET had strep throat so he was limited vs. Miami anyways. He helped us vs. Atlanta. Vs. Washington PG was hot so Turner wasn't seeing many minutes behind him. And then Lance turned it on in the final game. Evan has had strong games in his career vs. Miami. Vogel just had no clue how to use him. He used him properly in his Pacer debut. But then he started trying to use him as a Point Guard because of the Hill and Watson injuries.

                  Once Hill and Watson came back, I think Vogel never bothered to find a spot for ET after that. Ultimately, SAS and MIA wanted ET as well. But both teams have better coaches. The fact that Spoelstra and Pop have imagination. And aren't afraid to tinker with lineups, and try whatever works. New or Old makes them better than Vogel will ever be.

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                  • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                    Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                    It just sucks to see another offense player come here, not do anything, and then get sent packing. Even Larry said it. Wherever he goes next season he'll average 17ppg. Yet he brings Vogel back. Can't he understand Vogel just knows nothing about how to use scorers?
                    This is entirely possible.....but maybe ET ( just like Green and DJ ) just wasn't a good fit for the Team because he wasn't a very effective Off-the-Ball Player....especially next to 3 other Ball dominant Players ( GH/Lance/PG24 ).

                    To be fair....I'm not going to disagree that Vogel doesn't adapt his offensive strategy to his Players. I understand that he should remain inflexible when it comes to how he runs the offense for his Starters ( since he plays them way more minutes than the Backup Players ), but I do think that he should be a little more flexible and adapt the offense to fit his Backup Players.
                    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                    • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                      Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                      Well ET had strep throat so he was limited vs. Miami anyways. He helped us vs. Atlanta. Vs. Washington PG was hot so Turner wasn't seeing many minutes behind him. And then Lance turned it on in the final game. Evan has had strong games in his career vs. Miami. Vogel just had no clue how to use him. He used him properly in his Pacer debut. But then he started trying to use him as a Point Guard because of the Hill and Watson injuries.

                      Once Hill and Watson came back, I think Vogel never bothered to find a spot for ET after that. Ultimately, SAS and MIA wanted ET as well. But both teams have better coaches. The fact that Spoelstra and Pop have imagination. And aren't afraid to tinker with lineups, and try whatever works. New or Old makes them better than Vogel will ever be.
                      Turner was benched against Atlanta.... And he was fine to play vs Miami after game 1. He was just flat out benched. For Rasual Butler. Turner does not fit in Indiana. He by far was the worst defender on the team. And his offense wasn't fitting in. He will find some success on his new team. But even in Philly, most talked of him being overrated with inflated stats.

                      Look, its basketball. He just needed to go out there and play. But he didn't. Don't blame it on Vogel. Why would Vogel give ET free reign some games, which ET said in post game interviews, but not others? Turner had the free reign, he just couldn't make it work here. Its not like Indiana is the first time the guy struggled. So many people called the guy a bust for awhile. If Turner is so great, Philly would have kept him.

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                      • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                        Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
                        Turner was benched against Atlanta.... And he was fine to play vs Miami after game 1. He was just flat out benched. For Rasual Butler. Turner does not fit in Indiana. He by far was the worst defender on the team. And his offense wasn't fitting in. He will find some success on his new team. But even in Philly, most talked of him being overrated with inflated stats.

                        Look, its basketball. He just needed to go out there and play. But he didn't. Don't blame it on Vogel. Why would Vogel give ET free reign some games, which ET said in post game interviews, but not others? Turner had the free reign, he just couldn't make it work here. Its not like Indiana is the first time the guy struggled. So many people called the guy a bust for awhile. If Turner is so great, Philly would have kept him.



                        Not sure about that. Philly had a chance to dump Turner in the Bynum trade. But they chose to part with Meeks and Swaggy P instead. I think Turner is indeed a bench player. I am sure he will end up on a West team and probably average 11 off the bench per game or more.

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                        • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                          Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                          Well ET had strep throat so he was limited vs. Miami anyways. He helped us vs. Atlanta. Vs. Washington PG was hot so Turner wasn't seeing many minutes behind him. And then Lance turned it on in the final game. Evan has had strong games in his career vs. Miami. Vogel just had no clue how to use him. He used him properly in his Pacer debut. But then he started trying to use him as a Point Guard because of the Hill and Watson injuries.

                          Once Hill and Watson came back, I think Vogel never bothered to find a spot for ET after that. Ultimately, SAS and MIA wanted ET as well. But both teams have better coaches. The fact that Spoelstra and Pop have imagination. And aren't afraid to tinker with lineups, and try whatever works. New or Old makes them better than Vogel will ever be.
                          We can agree to disagree. There is very little that you can do to convince me ( much less others ) that ET is a good fit for this Team as long as Lance is on the roster. I can possibly see that he may do better on the offensive end if Lance was removed from the equation....which is entirely possible.....but then it would depend on how much ET was signed for. I can live with keeping ET on the roster....but I would not want to overpay him. At most....I'd be looking at signing him for $3 to 4 mil a year.....anything more and I'd consider other options.
                          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                          • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                            Evan Turner is not a good fit for this even if Lance is NOT on the roster. Let someone else pay his 3 or 4 million.

                            Ship his *** out.
                            "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                            "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                            • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                              Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                              Not sure about that. Philly had a chance to dump Turner in the Bynum trade. But they chose to part with Meeks and Swaggy P instead. I think Turner is indeed a bench player. I am sure he will end up on a West team and probably average 11 off the bench per game or more.
                              two other players you overrate greatly...

                              And I am sure of it. Plenty of my friends are Sixers fans, I'm from PA originally. They all pretty much agreed that his numbers were inflated by the style Philly ran. Philly had more possessions than any team in the league. I mean, Philly traded him away for what, pick number 57? Dude had next to no value around the league. And don't even mention the Spurs being interested. They were so interested they didn't offer a better deal than Granger/2nd round pick.

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                              • Re: Offseason News, Trades, Rumors, Etc.

                                Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                                Doesn't matter.....that is overpaying. I know that you want to move GH and to get back either Meeks or Young.....but GH has ( at worst ) the trade value of a 6th Man or ( at best ) a Starting Guard. The Pacers would essentially be losing trade value in giving up GH for Young. It's like giving someone $2 and getting back $1.50 in return....hence why it's a bad trade suggestion. The Pacers can't afford to make such trades.
                                What happens if you need 6 quarters for the vacuum to clean out your car, and it only takes quarters. The gas station only has 6 quarters, so the options are now to not clean out your car (which is essential), or to clean out your car but it takes an extra 50 cents. In that case, the $1.50 in return is better than making no trade at all, as at least it allows you to move on and get done what needs to get done. Maybe the team is the car, and hill is $2.00, and Bird is the vacuum, and Young is the $1.50.......
                                Danger Zone

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