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    Bob Kravitz: Pacers aren't slumping, they're collapsing

    http://www.indystar.com/story/sports...psing/7144399/

    Bob Kravitz, bob.kravitz@indystar.com

    This isn't a slump. A slump is a blip on the continuum, a momentary lapse, something that can be fixed with a tweak here or a correction there. A slump lasts two, three weeks, at least for an elite NBA team – or one that fancies itself as elite.

    No, what the Pacers have going right now is a full-fledged collapse, a gag job down the stretch that doesn't look fixable between now and the start of the NBA playoffs. Forget about worrying about the Miami Heat in the Eastern Conference Finals, something we all thought was a fait accompli as the Pacers were rushing out to a 33-7 start.

    Worry about winning a couple of games down the stretch and playing decent basketball – and scoring more than 80 points - as the playoffs beckon.

    For the first time all year, the Pacers are in second place, behind the Heat, in the race for the No. 1 seed. That was their vociferously stated goal from Day One. Now they've thrown it away, and they've done it at a time when the Heat has had its own struggles.

    "Good for them (the Heat),'' Roy Hibbert said dourly. "We don't deserve it. Good for them. Whoever we see in the playoffs, we'll see, but we've got to figure things out…But we don't deserve the No. 1 seed.''

    A slump? A hiccup? No, it's a whole lot more than that. After Monday night's 103-77 blowout loss to the San Antonio Spurs at Bankers Life Fieldhouse, the Pacers have lost 10 of their last 16 games and six of their last eight. After that 33-7 start, when they were the toast of the NBA and had everybody lauding their selflessness, the Pacers have now gone 19-16. That's not a slump. That's a month-and-a-half, two months' worth of mediocrity. That's who they are now.

    This is just like the 2002-03 Isiah Thomas-coached Pacers, who ran out to the league's best record the first half of the season, then sleep-walked the rest of the season before getting eliminated in the first round by the Boston Celtics.

    For too long, they've been acting like they actually accomplished something, like they should be entitled to officials' calls and special treatment. Paul George's play and his whining have been especially galling. Remember when we talked about him in the same sentence with MVP front runners LeBron James and Kevin Durant? That seems like a million years ago.

    George has been ordinary, or worse, since the All-Star break. Hibbert has disappeared for long stretches of time. David West, the nominal leader of this team, has been inconsistent. Evan Turner, the late-season acquisition, has been miserable, especially on defense.

    Monday night, Lance Stephenson was the only Pacer who played with urgency and energy.

    It makes you wonder, where's the leadership going to come from? Where's the direction going to come from? This is still a young team, which gives you hope for the future, but makes you wonder about the present. Everybody, save for the perpetually amped Stephenson, appears to have gone in the tank these last two months.

    Publically, Frank Vogel has put on a happy face – ah, we're just not hitting our shots -- but you sense that he's at his wit's end, too, looking for answers that don't exist. Listen, if he could have fixed it, it would have been fixed already.

    Does he need to put a boot up somebody's rear? Clearly, he does. But that's not to say he hasn't read them the riot act already. We only see the public Vogel; we don't know that he hasn't grinded on them in private. Certainly, he had a long talk with his team after this game; he took an unusually long time to come out and address the media Monday night.
    Indiana's Roy Hibbert looks up at the scoreboard in the third quarter as the San Antonio Spurs beat the Indiana Pacers 103-77 at Bankers Life Fieldhouse Monday March 31, 2014. (Photo: Joe Vitti /The Star)

    "We've had plenty of players-only meetings,'' Hibbert said. "We've had plenty of sit-downs with the team and coaches, some with upper management listening in. Maybe we should all go to group therapy and have an airing of grievances.''

    This team is spiraling, and you sense it's beginning to splinter.

    Second place.

    For the first time all season.

    "Maybe this will be a reality check,'' George said. "To be No. 1 and controlling our destiny, this is the time we could have had guys resting and really enjoying being in the position we were in. Now we're playing down to the wire. It's tough, but hopefully it lights a fire under us. Maybe we'll have a better understanding of what we need to do.''

    Don't count on it. If the Pacers haven't gotten the wakeup call yet, they never will. This is a lost, wounded, fragile team that may never get off the mat.

    The million-dollar question around town is, "Why have the Pacers fallen to pieces?''

    I can tell you what the problems aren't:

    Fatigue – There's this notion out there that the Pacers peaked too early, that they invested too much energy into earning that No. 1 seed.

    Nonsense.

    I could buy that if Vogel had played his starters extraordinarily heavy minutes and burned them out, but that's not the case.

    If the 82-game grind is such an issue, how do you explain the San Antonio Spurs – average age 62 – running off an 18-game win streak this late in the season? And the Spurs are dealing with the Western Conference, not the lightweights in the East.

    A word about the Spurs: They are beautiful to watch, and they will win the NBA title this time around. Offensively, they are a Matisse, a Picasso; the Pacers, who stand around a whole lot, are like a finger-painting. The lack of movement is excruciating. They never get easy baskets. They never get run-outs. They play at a snail's pace, except when Stephenson has the basketball. Fast break points Monday night: Zippo.

    Boredom – Before this latest stretch of schedule, we heard how the Pacers needed to face top teams to pique their interest. How arrogant is that? It's one thing for the Miami Heat to be bored; they've actually won two straight NBA titles. But the Pacers act like they deserve the Larry O'Brien Trophy for winning the first half of the season.

    Now they've faced the league's elite, and they've gotten stomped.

    The trades/acquisitions – Listen, this decline started before Larry Bird traded for Turner and signed Andrew Bynum. Granted, Turner is a defensive sieve and Bynum is out indefinitely with a bum knee and may never play again for the Pacers, but they're not the reasons this team has gone south.

    So what's the answer?

    Here's my best guess: Immaturity. This is still a very young team, with a few exceptions. They didn't know how to handle success. They flew too close to the sun and got burned. And now they're looking up at the Heat in the standings.

    "We're at the bottom in terms of how far you can fall,'' West said.

    Sadly, I'm not sure that's necessarily the case.
    I hate that this collapse makes me post a Kravitz article and agree with it

    But look at that last bit. Immaturity can be cured, though probably not this year. This might just be another step on the road for these guys, not a dead end.
    BillS

    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...
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    Re: Bob Kravitz: Pacers aren't slumping, they're collapsing

    It's not over yet, Heat are only up percentage points. With games remaining vs. Minnesota and at Memphis. However, this is all Vogel's fault. He doesn't play Rasual Butler or Copeland enough. Having them on the floor with Turner who can score and create for others is essential. Turner cannot be on the floor with other ball dominant players. Maybe PG is the only exception to that. But PG has to give him the rock when he doesn't see anything he can exploit.

    Ian is terrible but Vogel keeps playing him anyway because he's a fool.

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    • #3
      Re: Bob Kravitz: Pacers aren't slumping, they're collapsing

      *sigh* Playing Copeland instead of Ian is not going to fix this team.
      BillS

      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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        Re: Bob Kravitz: Pacers aren't slumping, they're collapsing

        Originally posted by Grimp View Post
        It's not over yet, Heat are only up percentage points. With games remaining vs. Minnesota and at Memphis. However, this is all Vogel's fault. He doesn't play Rasual Butler or Copeland enough. Having them on the floor with Turner who can score and create for others is essential. Turner cannot be on the floor with other ball dominant players. Maybe PG is the only exception to that. But PG has to give him the rock when he doesn't see anything he can exploit.

        Ian is terrible but Vogel keeps playing him anyway because he's a fool.
        There is aboslutely no way this is even a sizable portion of the problem. I think it is pretty obviously personal problems with the guys. At least majorly.

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          Re: Bob Kravitz: Pacers aren't slumping, they're collapsing

          Originally posted by BillS View Post
          *sigh* Playing Copeland instead of Ian is not going to fix this team.
          Of course, Copeland is not a center. I am saying at this point, rolling out a 10 man rotation and playing a bench of Copeland (PF), Butler (SF), LaVoy (C), Turner (SG), and CJ (PG) (when healthy)..........is an experiment that needs to happen for the next few games.

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            Re: Bob Kravitz: Pacers aren't slumping, they're collapsing

            Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post
            There is aboslutely no way this is even a sizable portion of the problem. I think it is pretty obviously personal problems with the guys. At least majorly.
            It would solve our offensive problems that's for sure. Problem is, Vogel is so inept at designing an offensive system he probably wouldn't even be able to maximize this lineup.

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              Re: Bob Kravitz: Pacers aren't slumping, they're collapsing

              Originally posted by Grimp View Post
              It would solve our offensive problems that's for sure. Problem is, Vogel is so inept at designing an offensive system he probably wouldn't even be able to maximize this lineup.
              The second half may be true, and the first half could be, but I am convinced attitudes need to be fixed before anything on court.

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              • #8
                Re: Bob Kravitz: Pacers aren't slumping, they're collapsing

                I'm just bummed man. I know it's not exactly high level analysis, but I don't know what else to say, we're collapsing. PG'll get better but not as much as we need him to.

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                • #9
                  Re: Bob Kravitz: Pacers aren't slumping, they're collapsing

                  Hey Pacers! You have people investing millions of dollars for you to play a game that most people play for fun! Quit whining and crying and do your job!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Bob Kravitz: Pacers aren't slumping, they're collapsing

                    Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                    I'm just bummed man. I know it's not exactly high level analysis, but I don't know what else to say, we're collapsing. PG'll get better but not as much as we need him to.
                    Based on West's comments, it doesn't seem like an easy fix. They aren't tired, they aren't bored, they don't need Copeland to play - none of that. They need to become "best friends" again, or whatever they were at the beginning of they year.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Bob Kravitz: Pacers aren't slumping, they're collapsing

                      Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                      It's not over yet, Heat are only up percentage points. With games remaining vs. Minnesota and at Memphis. However, this is all Vogel's fault. He doesn't play Rasual Butler or Copeland enough. Having them on the floor with Turner who can score and create for others is essential. Turner cannot be on the floor with other ball dominant players. Maybe PG is the only exception to that. But PG has to give him the rock when he doesn't see anything he can exploit.

                      Ian is terrible but Vogel keeps playing him anyway because he's a fool.
                      He's a fool now. Really? So do you want Turner, Butler or Copeland to play backup center.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Bob Kravitz: Pacers aren't slumping, they're collapsing

                        Did anyone watch the starters try to run offensive plays? It was like half the team was running a different play. I lost count of how many times Roy or West were standing at the perimeter next to pg or lance. It was like they didn't know where they needed to be. They weren't even making basketball plays. And I have no clue what the **** Scola is doing anymore. I sometimes think he's high . No joke. How many times do I have to watch Paul George dribble into traffic like a ****ing moron, over and over and over again, just like the Spurs want.

                        THIS IS NOT BAD EXCUTION ON OFFENSE! They're executing stupidness on offense, flawlessly. Its a joke. At least there was something galvanizing about the Palace Brawl. There's nothing galvanizing about a bunch of ****ing cry babies who don't have a clue.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Bob Kravitz: Pacers aren't slumping, they're collapsing

                          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                          He's a fool now. Really? So do you want Turner, Butler or Copeland to play backup center.
                          Larry got LaVoy Allen for that reason. Larry said we needed LaVoy in case someone got injured as insurance. What did he mean? HE MEANT BYNUM! Bynum was brought in to be Ian's replacement. And if he got hurt, LaVoy would be next up. The FO knows how much Ian sucks. That's why they tried to trade him in the off-season. He's also the last piece of the Walsh' signings not to be jettisoned out of town. Vogel mis-read their intentions. Just like he mis-read how to use Turner in the lineup. Ian has been healthy as a horse ALL SEASON LONG.

                          You really think Larry would throw a random quote out like........"we are glad we got LaVoy, might need him in case someone gets injured"....if he meant for LaVoy to ride the bench as center #3? That was a subtle comment/nod at Bynum's knees possibly not holding up. And in case of emergency, BREAK GLASS, pull out LaVoy Allen. They're gonna try to trade Ian in the off-season anyways, so the acquisition of LaVoy was not only meant to power us this season, but also to set up for next season. To see what he can do and IF they wanna extend his RFA rookie contract. And pull down a quick curtain call on the Ian Mahinmi era.
                          Last edited by Grimp; 04-01-2014, 12:22 PM.

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                            Re: Bob Kravitz: Pacers aren't slumping, they're collapsing

                            AFter the trade, Frank has failed to adjust the rotation accordingly to put these guys in the best position to win. Each game there have been flashes of really good play, and then Vogel makes a substitution and everything falls apart. It happens every game.

                            He has to redefine the roles for each of these guys. I mean just look at George Hill. Why does this guy not attack the basket? They are not putting in the extra effort individually on the floor. Maybe if Hill attacks the basket and draws the help defender that will create the space needed to swing the ball around for the open corner 3.

                            Lance Stephenson, change your attitude. Your body language when your teammates don't pass to you or catch your passes is just pathetic. Its so demonstratively negative. No wonder they don't want to play with you. Why isn't this guy being a cheerleader for everyone like he was at the beginning of the season and last year?

                            Roy Hibbert, quit calling your teammates out in the media. Get nasty in the middle. You are soft. You dont' get the position you think you have gotten. Crash the boards on offense. Trust your teammates to cover you in transition.

                            David West. Change your attitude. Your demeanor on the court toward the officials is repulsive. Your shot sucks, so quit shooting it. Head fake on that pick and pop and drive it in for an easier shot, draw a foul. He is too quick to pull the trigger on that shot.

                            Paul George. Quit whining, play tough defense, and quit demanding the ball. Make a play off the ball before you demand the ball. Run that curl every possession. Above all else quit trying to draw the foul, over finishing the play.


                            Everybody has to make those extra effort plays at this point. Vogel says they are getting better at moving the ball, but all i see is them pass the ball around without make the defense adjust to anything.
                            they are not making the defense move, and its those extra efforts away from the ball that makes the defense move and adjust.

                            Vogel, what are you doing? Apparently there are conversations, meetings. Thats just talk. What has this guy done that is extra. Where is the big block of wood in the middle of the locker room with a hatchet? Where are the movie endings designed to make a point about the current situation? If I were Vogel I'd start scheduling some team activities to get these guys having fun together outside of the game. I'd have a freaking Roof top Barbecue. Get these guys talking about anything but basketball. Get their wives and kids and girlfriends into the scene. Get Mike Epps to perform some comedy. Maybe get Mike Epps to roast the team. Get these guys teasing each other and goofing off, have an eating contest.
                            Last edited by graphic-er; 04-01-2014, 12:27 PM.
                            You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                              Re: Bob Kravitz: Pacers aren't slumping, they're collapsing

                              Shouldn't kids be in school at this hour ?? Or maybe they're on spring break. If that's the case - go outside.

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