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Because if he can, I am starting to regret the trade.
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"Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference
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Re: Can Miles Plumlee play the 4?
He may not even need to be able to play the 4 to regret the trade with the current bench struggles and how well he and Green have played for the Suns makes you wonder which bench would be better.........Mahinmi, Scola, Granger, Watson......or Plumlee, Copeland, Granger, Green, Watson -
Re: Can Miles Plumlee play the 4?
Sigh. Can we wait till the season before we regret this?
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Re: Can Miles Plumlee play the 4?
He's a better player than Josh McRoberts. But he's not a David West. Gerald Green looks like an all-star for them. IDK. I think we need to step back and look at things. That team is more athletic than us and we didn't respect them and tried to beat them at their game...and didn't play strategically...until the 4th quarter when Paul started shutting down Dragic and we won the half 45-36. The fact is, they are a good team and their game plays to our weaknesses...and we didn't play smart until late. Too late.Comment
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Re: Can Miles Plumlee play the 4?
BTW, if we just went out and tried to beat Miami at their game, we'd lose by 40 points. But we don't do that. We force the tempo. That's the only way we can beat them and the players know that. But they think they're good enough to beat the former backups just stepping on the court. They started to realize they had to play during the first half...Comment
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Re: Can Miles Plumlee play the 4?
I don't think that he has the range to play a PF. Most decent PFs have some mid-range game.....from what I have seen....Plumlee has very little range. I get the sense that he's mostly going to get points in the paint with a few low post moves...but mostly from put backs, bunnies and alley-oops. He'd have to work REAL hard to get any range on his shot.
BTW...I already regret including Plumlee regardless...obviously because of what he can do...but more because losing him made it difficult to trade Mahinmi.Last edited by CableKC; 01-31-2014, 10:44 PM.Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.Comment
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Re: Can Miles Plumlee play the 4?
Being able to defend the PF position is more of the question. You can design an offense around two post players who have much range, and still have good offense. It is much more difficult to design a defense if one of your two bigs can't guard the other teams PF.Comment
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Re: Can Miles Plumlee play the 4?
1. I'm at the point where I'm fairly certain that Gerald didn't fit into our offensive system because we had/have a bad offensive system.
2. Miles has improved his post game and scoring over time, but benefits quite a bit from having BledShow and Dragon to penetrate and dish to him for open layups and dunks. Only Lance would be able to get him those kinds of looks on this team. Not knocking Miles' improvement and his work on the defensive end, though.You Got The Tony!!!!!!Comment
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Re: Can Miles Plumlee play the 4?
Unless we plan to start running and gunning Gearld would never get off the bench here, and if he did the results would be a lot like last year IMO. Miles wouldn't be nearly as effective in a halfcourt style as well. That trade was good for both teams. They got two players who fit their style and we got a player who really fits ours.Comment
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Re: Can Miles Plumlee play the 4?
As pointed out in the game thread, when Granger posts up, it often results in an open shot around the rim for Scola. He also seems to find a lot of open players when he drives to the basket. Those would probably typically end with a Plumlee dunk. I definitely don't think Plumlee would be as efficient offensively, but it is hard to say because we most likely wouldn't be running an offense like we are with Miles playing the 4 instead of Scola. You also have to take into consideration whether or not his defense and rebounding would make his worse offense worth it over Scola. Overall I think the on court individual production would end up being about equal. The bigger question is if Scola's experience makes him the better player to make a two year run at the title? That is a bit more tricky of a question.Comment
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Re: Can Miles Plumlee play the 4?
I'm fairly certain that our offensive system got Gerald a fairly wide variety of open shots in his 60 games (and 7 starts!) for us, and yet he made 36% of them, was a boneheaded turnover machine, and couldn't guard a ball rack.
The blame for that would be in Gerald's own head and heart, IMO.
Sure he's best in the open court, but then so is Lance, and our offense accommodates him fine.The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).Comment
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Re: Can Miles Plumlee play the 4?
First, our current offensive system hasn't produced results for any player like Green to be an efficient offensive player. Unless we actually knew what that looked like, we can't say Green was good or bad. Something that cannot be helped is that a player like Green (or Frye or any three point shooter) usually does better with a penetrating guard kicking out. The only player we have had like that during Frank's tenure is Lance, and even he isn't at the level of a Dragic because of his turnover tendencies. I don't know what to say about the head/heart thing.
The turnover thing is just selective memory. Other than Hill, GG had the best turnover ratio (turnovers per 100 possessions) on the team last year of players who played significant minutes. His assist/turnover ratio was in the middle of the pack, though the lowest of the guards. He was a little above average for turnover percentage despite being fifth in usage. GG was inefficient shooting for sure, but not a turnover machine by any metric I can find.
I also think the defense thing is pretty much an eye test myth too, though it's tougher to say objectively. He's sort of second on the team in defensive rating, though that stat is one I think needs to become more sophisticated, since Baby Ben is at the top of the list. Then again, Roy is at the top for the non-Green starter/rotation players. GG is slightly below average for defensive win shares on the team, but wow, second to last on offensive win shares. The bench's problem has always been scoring, though, not defending.
I'm neither a GG supporter nor a detractor, but I feel like his year here is remembered mostly based on selective memory of his tendency to go for pump fakes and make low-BBIQ plays. And not by what actually happened on a game to game basis. The reason he wasn't successful here wasn't because of the mostly wrong, nitpicky stuff you mentioned, but because he shot so poorly. His eFG% and TS% are full .1 points higher in Brooklyn and Phoenix. You could say that oh, he just had a bad year. Or, you could look at the Pacers being the 19th best offense in the NBA last year and this, and wonder if maybe the team and coach don't run an efficient system and utilize their offensive talent effectively.You Got The Tony!!!!!!Comment
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Re: Can Miles Plumlee play the 4?
I don't think that we necessarily have a bad offense ( well, it aint completely horrible ). We just don't have a run and gun offense like the Suns do.....it's a "slow and grind it out till you are bored to death" offense. Green simply fit more in the Suns offense than ours.
Plumlee never had the chance to really play with Lance
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