Postgame thread Cleveland/Indy

[Trader Joe]

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There is A LOT of ball sticking right now from pretty much everyone on the roster. Danny and Scola are probably moving the ball the best and that should not be the case. It is sticking with West and Roy in the post and it is sticking with particularly Paul and Lance on the perimeter. Not acceptable. This team has too many pieces to not eat people alive with ballhandling, but not surprising that some bad trends are starting to poke through. We're nearly at the halfway point (if you can believe it) no doubt Vogel will get it straightened up.

[dal9]

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J. Jack is an *******. Thinks he is the best player on every team, why do you think Golden State didn't really lose any sleep that he walked? Dude thought he should be starting with Curry and Thompson this year.

Jack is fine. He left because CLE gave him big $.

[McKeyFan]

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I was only able to watch the last 18 minutes tonight. What was this?

Lance had the ball poked away from him and dove to the floor to grab it back in a scrum and called timeout to keep the possession. The next thing you know Denari and Quinn are talking about Lance and Hill in a shouting match. Then, Vogel suddenly puts them both on the bench and replaces them with Granger and Watson (Lance and Hill normally would have finished the half--this was around the five minute mark).

I reviewed the play and couldn't figure it out. Lance drove to the bucket just before, threw a nice pass to Hill in the corner who eventually shot a three which missed. Lance got the rebound and dribbled a couple of times when it got poked.

I have no idea, but if I had to guess, Hill got on Lance for dribbling a couple of times, and Lance told him he just offensive rebounded Hill's miss, so lay off.


But who knows? I imagine there is potential for difficulty seeing that running the offense is generally switching these days from Hill to Lance.

One could easily just point the finger at Lance in this incident. But I don't see Vogel benching Hill as well unless part of it was on him.

[Pacerized]

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I only caught the end of the 4th. but I like what I see from the shot distribution in the box score. I'd assume more touches in the paint and it's good to see a little more pt for Danny who has earned it.
Who was it that suggested Vogel tell Paul that he could only take as many 3's as he had free throw attempts?
I know it seems to have not worked out as well for us tonight but I think this team is better when we move the ball into the paint first and get more players involved in the offense, we're too talanted to have one player take 24 shots.

[Cousy47]

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I agree on the Lance/GHill 'problem'. I think GH said something to Lance and Lance took it badly. Vogel did what he should have done, nipped that nonsense in the bud. Players may get emotional, but there is no reason to let them lose their concentration by pouting at each other. Seemed to work, they seemed fine when they came back in together. The thing that bothers me most is the way the team seems to go into iso/hero mode any time they are challenged by another team. When the Pacers move the ball from side to side and inside out, they are almost impossible to beat. When they yo-yo the ball on the perimeter then throw up last second hasty shots, they become very average.

[PacerDude]

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Who was it that suggested Vogel tell Paul that he could only take as many 3's as he had free throw attempts?

Well, yeah, because that person is obviously more qualified to be an NBA coach than Vogel is.

[Major Cold]

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Hill took too long to make a move a Lance ended up saving his a**

These two are so polar opposites in court attitude. And only Lance has minimized his weakness. He needs more of it, but he is more in control than Hill is less apprehensive.

We are seeing Vogel change rotations to the needs on the court with Lance/PG/Danny. I kind of wish he would do that with Ian/West/Scola. When Tyler Zeller is on the court Scola could guard him and West Bennett.

I think the next two weeks are going to be crucial in the chemistry department. We are so close in making a breakthrough in conistency department. Offensively we are seeing horrible spacing from the starters whenever the opponent traps the pick and roll. Which is what Miami does. Credit goes to Mike Brown and his scouting department. We have to hit the high post when the blitz the pick and roll. And we aren't doing it. Correction...except for Roy and Granger we aren't doing it. And Roy did it twice that I saw.

[ECKrueger]

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Look guys, I got a George Hill bobblehead from the Cavs game last night!

[graphic-er]

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I think its funny that alot of you act like the other team doesn't have players as well. When the opponent is missing 3 of their top guys. That means the scrubs get a real opportunity and they get hyped ala Lance. Its never easy to blow teams out when they have extra motivation.

[Kuq_e_Zi91]

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I was only able to watch the last 18 minutes tonight. What was this?

To me it seemed like Hill had enough of Lance's abuse of the spin button and crossover stick. It probably spilled over when Lance nearly lost the ball and had Frank burn a timeout because of it.

It was interesting to me because I'd never seen Hill initiate a confrontation before. It just goes against his personality, it seems, so it's surprising that it was enough to get him to confront Lance. I think you also have to look at how Hill was brought up in the league under Pop in San Antonio. I can imagine Pop pulling Lance for that careless play, whereas Frank might give him a little more leeway (with Bird's blessing?). Benching both just shows to me that Frank's read some parenting/disciplining books. He did the right thing to appear consistent and not play favorites.

I don't want to read too much into it, though. It's a long season and these guys spend so much time together that arguments are bound to happen. For example, that LeBron and Chalmers confrontation was much worse. They also connected on a few plays later in the game so it seemed like it passed over.

I'd be more interested to know what West said to Frank when he uncharacteristically went over to speak to him during a Cavs free throw since it immediately followed a number of bad plays by Lance. He seemed exasperated as well, but perhaps more wisely went over to voice his concerns to Frank instead.

[Tom White]

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I don't mean to be debbie downer, I'm happy we got the win, but if we continue to play like this, we are in trouble. I really wasn't impressed tonight and I think we won purely because we are the more talented team. A starting lineup of Delladova, Miles, Clark, Tristan, and Andy with even less talent off the bench should not be able to stay competitive with our lineup.

I've been worried about the team's level of play for about 6-7 games now. Even during that win streak of 5 games or so, something has just not looked "right". Got no idea what it might be.

[Sandman21]

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Worst 27 - 6 team of all time.

[TinManJoshua]

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Worst 27 - 6 team of all time.

There's nothing wrong with viewing a sport through the critical eye, what standard would we be setting for ourselves if we settled for this team winning 81% of their games? Talk about lowering the bar.

[BillS]

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There's nothing wrong with viewing a sport through the critical eye, what standard would we be setting for ourselves if we settled for this team winning 81% of their games? Talk about lowering the bar.

I'd have to say there's a difference between "a critical eye" and using words like "embarrassing" and "terrible".

[TinManJoshua]

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I'd have to say there's a difference between "a critical eye" and using words like "embarrassing" and "terrible".

Well, if they can only muster 27 wins in 33 games, I see absolutely nothing wrong with considering their effort thus far "embarassing", and "terrible" is a great adjective for a team that is on pace to lose between 14 and 16 games.