Four big IF's about Lance Stephenson.

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  • ilive4sports
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    • Oct 2005
    • 8679

    Re: Four big IF's about Lance Stephenson.

    Originally posted by vnzla81
    I'm not twisting words I was just paraphrasing what he said, by the way is really not that much different to what I said, he uses nice words and is all diplomatic but at the end of the day he is saying I want to start and Lance goes to the bench.(note that I'm not going to go 10 pages with this argument either because I know DG's word is sacred around here).
    No, you are twisting his words and you are doing it again in this post. He's just saying he is more comfortable starting. And what he said about Lance is exactly true and is showing this season, he's a playmaker with the second unit.

    You are suggesting Danny is being diplomatic as some sort of cover rather than because thats how he actually feels. Thats twisting his words right there.

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    • BillS
      Angry Old Poster
      • Mar 2004
      • 21654

      Re: Four big IF's about Lance Stephenson.

      Originally posted by vnzla81
      I'm not twisting words I was just paraphrasing what he said, by the way is really not that much different to what I said, he uses nice words and is all diplomatic but at the end of the day he is saying I want to start and Lance goes to the bench.(note that I'm not going to go 10 pages with this argument either because I know DG's word is sacred around here).
      Fine, but where does that come off as "if I don't get what I want I'm going to ruin everything"?

      What ELSE is he supposed to say? Well, OK, I know YOU want him to say, "no, I can't do this any more, my whole career has been a sham, I suck, I should never have been a number one guy on this team, Lance should start and I should be in street clothes and give my entire salary for my career back to Herb," but other people find an explanation - which, by the way, matches the explanation Lance gave for why he'd be good coming off the bench - to be a long way from disruptive.

      As for the comparison to Iverson, if you remember Iverson as being at all reasonable about why anyone would do better off the bench as opposed to focusing solely, completely, and utterly on the idea that he either starts or nothing, feel free to trot it out. Also find me any place where AI ever said he'd be willing to come off the bench - and by that I mean prior to his pathetic attempt to get back into the NBA.

      But fine. Danny Granger is the Pacer's Allen Iverson - but not in skill, only in that he is so selfish he'd rather blow up the team than come to practice, work with players who might end up better than him, or come off the bench.
      BillS

      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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      • Since86
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        • Dec 2004
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        Re: Four big IF's about Lance Stephenson.

        Danny wants to start.
        Lance wants to come off the bench.
        So the problem is what exactly?
        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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        • Heisenberg
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          • Jun 2010
          • 25190

          Re: Four big IF's about Lance Stephenson.

          From the interviews I've HEARD (inflection holds a lot of value in these situations for me), I think it's pretty obvious Danny wants to start and sees himself as a starter. But he's also fine with being the 6th man if that's what Frank wants. Not necessarily happy with it, but wouldn't create waves or anything. Whole lot of pop psychology involved here, but I think that has as much to do with Danny understanding we can't afford him after this year and he wants to get one last big deal as anything. Not necessarily ego or I gotta get mine type stuff, just hey I gotta show people I can still play. And I don't blame him.

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          • ilive4sports
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            • Oct 2005
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            Re: Four big IF's about Lance Stephenson.

            Originally posted by Since86
            Danny wants to start.
            Lance wants to come off the bench.
            So the problem is what exactly?
            its not what vnzla wants

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            • vnzla81
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              • Jul 2008
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              Re: Four big IF's about Lance Stephenson.

              Originally posted by ilive4sports
              No, you are twisting his words and you are doing it again in this post. He's just saying he is more comfortable starting. And what he said about Lance is exactly true and is showing this season, he's a playmaker with the second unit.

              You are suggesting Danny is being diplomatic as some sort of cover rather than because thats how he actually feels. Thats twisting his words right there.
              OK lets pretend that instead of the god DG saying this things is Lance Stephenson saying it, the crying, veins cutting and building jumping in PD would be at an all time high, some would be asking to cut Lance because "OMG how somebody dares to say that? OMG ahhhhhh".

              But of course nothing happens because is DG :
              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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              • ilive4sports
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                • Oct 2005
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                Re: Four big IF's about Lance Stephenson.

                Originally posted by Heisenberg
                From the interviews I've HEARD (inflection holds a lot of value in these situations for me), I think it's pretty obvious Danny wants to start and sees himself as a starter. But he's also fine with being the 6th man if that's what Frank wants. Not necessarily happy with it, but wouldn't create waves or anything. Whole lot of pop psychology involved here, but I think that has as much to do with Danny understanding we can't afford him after this year and he wants to get one last big deal as anything. Not necessarily ego or I gotta get mine type stuff, just hey I gotta show people I can still play. And I don't blame him.
                Thats what I've gotten out of it. Above all else, Danny wants to win. But of course he wants to start. I wouldn't expect anything else from him. But I know he would be fine coming off the bench because of who he is. He's been talking about how nice it is not to have that full load of carrying the team on his shoulders for the past few seasons now.

                Danny's a smart guy. He knows the situation.

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                • vnzla81
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                  • Jul 2008
                  • 68174

                  Re: Four big IF's about Lance Stephenson.

                  Originally posted by BillS
                  Fine, but where does that come off as "if I don't get what I want I'm going to ruin everything"?

                  What ELSE is he supposed to say? Well, OK, I know YOU want him to say, "no, I can't do this any more, my whole career has been a sham, I suck, I should never have been a number one guy on this team, Lance should start and I should be in street clothes and give my entire salary for my career back to Herb," but other people find an explanation - which, by the way, matches the explanation Lance gave for why he'd be good coming off the bench - to be a long way from disruptive.

                  As for the comparison to Iverson, if you remember Iverson as being at all reasonable about why anyone would do better off the bench as opposed to focusing solely, completely, and utterly on the idea that he either starts or nothing, feel free to trot it out. Also find me any place where AI ever said he'd be willing to come off the bench - and by that I mean prior to his pathetic attempt to get back into the NBA.

                  But fine. Danny Granger is the Pacer's Allen Iverson - but not in skill, only in that he is so selfish he'd rather blow up the team than come to practice, work with players who might end up better than him, or come off the bench.
                  @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                  • ilive4sports
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                    • Oct 2005
                    • 8679

                    Re: Four big IF's about Lance Stephenson.

                    Originally posted by vnzla81
                    OK lets pretend that instead of the god DG saying this things is Lance Stephenson saying it, the crying, veins cutting and building jumping in PD would be at an all time high, some would be asking to cut Lance because "OMG how somebody dares to say that? OMG ahhhhhh".

                    But of course nothing happens because is DG :
                    No, thats not what would happen at all. But if thats how you see people on here, well I just don't know what to say. So many of the people who want Danny to start, pretty much all agree Lance is a better player. And I think they all would be absolutely fine if Lance does end up starting over Danny because they know the team will still be contending.

                    Just like Vogel said earlier in the year, he wants Lance to be fighting for that starting spot to keep it. So do I. Because a Lance that is fully engaged is the best Lance there is. Despite what you think, there isn't some sort of agenda for this all to make Granger look amazing. This is all about winning a championship this year. We want the team at its best with both units. Some think that Granger starting and Lance off the bench will do that. Thats all it is. But for some reason you don't seem to understand that and think we hate Lance and only love Granger.

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                    • BillS
                      Angry Old Poster
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 21654

                      Re: Four big IF's about Lance Stephenson.

                      Originally posted by vnzla81
                      OK lets pretend that instead of the god DG saying this things is Lance Stephenson saying it, the crying, veins cutting and building jumping in PD would be at an all time high, some would be asking to cut Lance because "OMG how somebody dares to say that? OMG ahhhhhh".

                      But of course nothing happens because is DG :
                      Umm - didn't Lance say he wanted to be a starter early in his career here? And didn't the vast majority of PD say that he should want to be a starter and he was fine for saying that? Yeah, there were a couple of idiots, but a couple of idiots doesn't equal "building jumping at an all time high".
                      BillS

                      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                      • Nuntius
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                        • Jan 2012
                        • 35969

                        Re: Four big IF's about Lance Stephenson.

                        Originally posted by vnzla81
                        OK lets pretend that instead of the god DG saying this things is Lance Stephenson saying it, the crying, veins cutting and building jumping in PD would be at an all time high, some would be asking to cut Lance because "OMG how somebody dares to say that? OMG ahhhhhh".
                        If we had a better playmaker than Lance then I would want that guy to be the 6th man while Lance is starting.
                        Originally posted by IrishPacer
                        Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                        • Eleazar
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                          • Jun 2010
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                          Re: Four big IF's about Lance Stephenson.

                          I'm going with we need to change the rules so there are 6 starters.

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                          • ilive4sports
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                            • Oct 2005
                            • 8679

                            Re: Four big IF's about Lance Stephenson.

                            Originally posted by Eleazar
                            I'm going with we need to change the rules so there are 6 starters.
                            So Scola can start.

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                            • Hicks
                              Member
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 53117

                              Re: Four big IF's about Lance Stephenson.

                              Lance isn't making me want him to start at point any time soon. Rough tonight. Thinking mainly of decision making.

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                              • Hicks
                                Member
                                • Jun 2004
                                • 53117

                                Re: Four big IF's about Lance Stephenson.

                                A sweet comeback by Lance in the second half, but by doing things that reinforce he should stick to being a wing.

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